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Old May 30th, 2006, 03:35 PM
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Man was playfully poking wife when pet turned on him
By LONDON FREE PRESS STAFF

THORNDALE — A woman watched, horrified, Monday as the family dog attacked and killed her husband.

John Martin, 77, of Wellburn Road in Thames Centre was playfully poking his wife outside their home about 5 p.m. when the couple’s five-year-old-dog lunged at his throat, police said.

The wife, who had been standing in the driveway with a female cab driver, was eventually able to pull the dog off her husband.

Martin was pronounced dead at hospital in St. Marys.

The 40-kilogram mixed-breed dog has been quarantined by the Middlesex-London Health Unit at a local kennel.

Provincial police continue to investigate the incident, which occurred about 20 kilometres northeast of London.
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Old May 30th, 2006, 06:37 PM
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I just seen the dog on the news.( A channel) Its a mutt but of course they are saying that it has alot of pitbull in it but to me it looks like a typical farm mutt, more like a border collie cross. Once again the pitbull takes the rap.
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Old May 30th, 2006, 06:53 PM
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Who Decides!!??

In cases where a dog attacks someone or something, it seems to me that it is automatically labelled a pit bull! Who decides what breed these dogs are and on what basis?? Is it a veterinarian? The owner? The reporter? The health unit?? The victim? The police?

Seems to me that the breed is identified post haste as well, as if it has to be deemed a pit bull immediately to satiate the publics' misguided bloodlust....

What criteria and who's sayso is used?
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It was the dog catcher that said " in my professional opinion this dog has alot of pitbull in it"on the London A channel news.I think that instead of relying on this persons so called professional opinion that they should trace down the history of the dogs parents and see if they can find out for sure what this mutt is really made of.
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Old May 30th, 2006, 07:52 PM
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just as I thought

Yup, another dog catcher that has dog breed identification certification: NOT!
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Old May 30th, 2006, 07:57 PM
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anyone have a pic of the dog?
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Old May 30th, 2006, 11:17 PM
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London media is reporting the dog as a pitbull mix and Citypulse (Toronto) just reported the dog as a German Sheperd mix.
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Old May 30th, 2006, 11:56 PM
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They also have it in the newspaper as a lab-cross.
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Old May 31st, 2006, 12:13 AM
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This whole BSL is exactly that "B.S". We have to remember that the newspaper and other media are just "marketing" themselves to sell their product being the newspapers and t.v. ratings. What disappoints me the most and seems so upsetting to me is the fact that people (newspapers and media) have figured out another method of how to exploit dogs for profit. They will not get one red cent from me!
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Just another reason not to poke your wife.

(ok, I know it's not funny, but some dogs are protective of their masters, regardless of breed).
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when the couple’s five-year-old-dog lunged at his throat, police said.
Well according to CP24's 11:00pm news story, a witness said the dog went after the man, ended up knocking him down on his back and then went for his throat.
And IMO, I highly doubt the dog just attacked suddenly without warning signs. Some people think it's funny to get their dog in an excited state to see it's protective or agressive side, but when you tease a dog, the inevitable always happens. It happened when I was younger - teasing the dog(20lbs) = a bite to the face!
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680news just reported it as a pitbull-cross .
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Old May 31st, 2006, 09:39 AM
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some added facts

dog not vaccinated or to the vet in 5 years.
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Heres a pic of the pit bull cross ....

http://www.torontosun.com/News/Canad...07680-sun.html




Wow now anything is a pit bull. ^*^(*^$(@%*(@^#%*$)@(&#$)@($^@*(^%#@*%#($@)(&$@)(# &@(*%$(@&#$)!&#$^@%$&!@#$!)($&_@&*)@#(*^$(!#^(@*$^ @(*5
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Yes this is a very sad story and terrible that it happened, but come on... the man was 77 yrs old not a young man. I did see the news reports and the animal control office did have a vet come out and determine that it was a pitbull x, not to mention the wife,she would know and hasn't said anything different and yes there are some resemblance in the head and face,fur, they (pitbulls) have a very noticable 'smile' to them, not a Border collie x. I do not agree with the ban, its not the dogs fault it has stupid owners, and my hubby's family have always had them. Any dog will bite doesn't matter what breed. Working in the animal field for many years - pitbulls were the least of our 'trouble' dogs
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Article from today's LFP

Please note the comments from Wayne Uncer, the kennel spokesperson:

PIT BULL KILLS OWNER
THE CROSS-BREED DOG ATTACKED AS THE 77-YEAR-OLD VICTIM'S WIFE LOOKED ON IN HORROR.
Wednesday, May 31, 2006
Dateline: WELBURN

An elderly man died after his pit bull crossbreed dog attacked him and tore open his throat in front of his horrified wife and a taxi driver.
John Martin, 77, from this small community just south of St. Marys, didn't even see the Monday attack coming, Lynn-del Alderson, the cabbie who saw it with Martin's wife, Nancy, said yesterday.

"The dog started charging and pounced on him from behind," said a shaken Alderson, who was delivering groceries to the couple just before 5 p.m.

"He didn't have a chance."

Minutes earlier, the couple -- married for 25 years -- had been laughing and joking with each other on the lawn of their tiny farmhouse, she said.

The couple's five-year-old dog, Buster, a 90-pound cross between a pit bull and Labrador, was playing off leash nearby, she said.

Alderson, who regularly ran deliveries to the couple, stayed in her taxi, having been warned before by the owners not to leave the car because the dog had been aggressive in the past.

What happened next was a "surreal" twist of events that started when Martin playfully poked his 57-year-old wife and then turned to walk away, the cabbie said.

Through her driver's side window, Alderson watched in horror as the hulking dog lunged at the man from behind and knocked him over.

"They were just being goofy with each other, but as soon as John walked away, Buster ran at him," she said. "It was like he was protecting (Nancy.)"

Martin, whom Alderson called slight and gentle, struggled to get the dog off him.

"John ended up on his back and the dog lunged right for his throat."

Seeing Nancy frozen in shock, Alderson jumped out of her cab to see if she could find anything to use to beat the dog away from Martin.

"I was just screaming for her to get the dog off him and I couldn't find anything to use to get Buster off," she said, adding she then called 911.

When Nancy -- apparently the dog's favoured owner -- sprang into action, it took precious seconds for her to coax the dog off her husband, Alderson said.

Nancy leashed the dog, put it inside and the two went to work on Martin, bleeding profusely from the neck.

"We were putting towels on his neck, but there was just so much blood," Alderson said.

Paramedics arrived and Martin was taken to St. Marys hospital, where he died from multiple bites to the neck.

Ontario imposed a sweeping ban on pit bulls last year, after a rash of attacks on humans by the squat, muscular dogs.

Buster, a brown and white dog given to the couple as a puppy, was picked up by officials from Hillside Kennels Animal Control Ltd., contracted by Thames Centre.

Wayne Uncer, spokes-person for the Innerkip kennel, said a veterinarian confirmed the dog was a mix between a Labrador and a pit bull.

"This dog certainly has a large amount of pit bull in him," he said.

"Had it been a border collie or a German shepherd or a Lab, it might have bitten the person and let go," he said. "But a pit bull, once they get it in their mind to kill someone, that's what they'll do."

When officials arrived at the Martin home to remove the dog (law requires any animal that has bitten or scratched anyone be quarantined for 10 days), Buster was acting aggressively, Uncer said.

The dog, a neutered male that wasn't registered as a pit bull and hadn't seen a vet in five years, had to be put in a snare pull to be forced into a cage, he said.

Once at the kennel, however, the dog appeared to be a "placid family pet," he said.

While Uncer has seen a lot of dog attacks in his years as a kennel operator, he said he's never heard of a dog killing its owner.

"It's a really sad, unusual story," he said. "It . . . just turned nasty."

At Nancy's request, he said, Buster will be put down, likely after the 10-day quarantine.

Uncer hopes others will learn from the fatal attack.

"It may influence some of the owners to use excessive caution with these dogs," he said.

The first part of Ontario's phased-in ban on pit bulls took effect last August, requiring all pit bulls be leashed, muzzled and sterilized.
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The London Free Press has the same picture on the front page with huge black letters "Pit Bull kills owner" I still say that the roots of this dogs background should be traced.This dog looks like a Border collie- lab cross!!!
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about the LFP article quote

Wayne notes that if the dog had been a Border Collie, GS or Lab...it WAS part lab....

and states: "once they get it in their mind to kill someone, that's what they'll do"

This is not my understanding of the dog at all. This to me is just misconception, misinformation and fearmongering at it's finest.....
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holy crap... that dog looks exactly like my friend's dog... who is a boxer-husky mix (he saw both parents and none of the puppies look like their parents or looked alike!). this is a tragedy beyond words, from all sides of the story.
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I'm not sure but maybe I'm just stupid, but I don't see where you can sit there and say it looks like a Border collie x
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I'm not sure but maybe I'm just stupid, but I don't see where you can sit there and say it looks like a Border collie x

From features. When you mix a few breeds together you get a mutt and the dog may show show some features from various breeds. This dog is a mutt. A farm dog of unknown heritage. But, if it attacked it has to be a pitbull right?!?!

Also, I am not buying that the man was playfully poking his wife and the dog just decided to randomly attack him. He is the dogs master and the hand that feeds him ....(supposedly).
I have been playfully poked and tickled by my SO and neither of our dogs decided to go after him....I feel there is a heck of a lot more to the story then the media is reporting. Let's not forget the media picks and chooses what they want to report and how they want to report it.

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Without tracing the history of the dog its anyones guess.Nobody is qualified to identify the breed of the dog including the vet.The DNA of dogs is all the same.If they want to keep saying that common mutts are instantly pitbulls as soon as something goes wrong then throw the book at them and slap them with 6 months in jail and a $10000 fine and let them waste their time and money in court crap.
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Even if the dog is a pitbull - lab mix why blame the pitbull in the dog? Labs have a much higher rate of attacks on humans than pits.
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they (pitbulls) have a very noticable 'smile' to them, not a Border collie x.
My dog has said "smile" but she is sooo far from being a pitbull. When you use classifications like "their smile" to identify a pitbull, you create confusion and massive misidentification.
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trouble on the horizon

Me thinks that this situation has just opened, very WIDELY, the inevitable...many Many MANY dogs are now going to be labelled PB when they, infact, are obviously not and every dog out there in Ontario that has questionable lineage has become much more of a target than they already were.

People...be vary wary of your dogs....things just got much worse.....
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My dog has said "smile" but she is sooo far from being a pitbull. When you use classifications like "their smile" to identify a pitbull, you create confusion and massive misidentification.
Yeah, my Shiba Inu has the exact same "smile" and there's not a drop of pit bull in her either.

And there's been plenty of fatal and near-fatal Lab, GSD and Border Collie attacks. That person who said that quote is an idiot.
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My bunny, Coco has a big smile...is he a pitbull ??
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My bunny, Coco has a big smile...is he a pitbull ??
uh oh.. better pull out that bunny muzzle.....
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My bunny, Coco has a big smile...is he a pitbull ??
Oh you better hurry and go register your bunny as a Vicious killing Pitbull! It has 4 legs right!! ITS A PIT

But seriously, I do see pit in that dog. Mixed with what??? I dont know! However It is a terrible story, sad for all ( as previously stated) Of course this attack will get TONS of publicity and be used against other Pits.

Funny thing though, May 24 weekend! a Shih Tzu at camp Seriously injured a little girl. Bet y'all didnt hear about that! Heck Doubt it was reported!!!
Pits/Rotts/Shephards ect... Sell papers!! Sad fact, but true!
WHat kind of world do we live in????
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If I offended anyone and their pets. I am going to stop this hopfully while I am still ahead, in no way shape or form was I bashing pitbulls or crosses. If you pls I also said that it is Not the breeds fault it has stupid owners, and that ANY dog will bite,today it is just the breed of choice to report and working in the animal field pitbull (x) were the least of our 'trouble' dogs, and I won't mention which ones were as I am sure I would offend someone else. Yes there alot of other breeds that have attacked but it doesn't make the news, if say there was a ban on labs, everything you would hear about were the lab attacks, and yes EVERYONE out there that has a short/no coat dog fitting the profile has to be cautious, perfect example I was out walking last week with my neighbour who has 2 pure bred boxers... a woman came out of her house screaming ran across the street at us telling us that if we didn't have them muzzled she was going to call the police
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