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Old July 8th, 2005, 09:57 AM
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Am I Pregnant

My 10 month old Mini Dachshund came in heat 30 days ago. I understand the heat lasts about 21 days. I had her protected for the whole time, except for about 2 hours on the 18th day, waiting for her panties to dry. My male made contact and they tied up. What are the chances she was not fertile?
If she is pregnant she should have the puppies by Aug. 4th.
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Old July 8th, 2005, 10:03 AM
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Personally I would def reccomend you take her to the vet and have her spayed, if she is pregnant, they can abort the puppies at the same time. Do not need anymore unwanted puppies. It is also for her safety. Small dogs have alot higher chance of needing c- sections, and they come out to at least 1800$ up......
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Old July 8th, 2005, 10:04 AM
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Really only a vet can give you an answer. I would suggest going asap.

Is your dog a champion? If not, you should spay your dog, then you wouldn't have to worry about the heat cycles the same, and you also wouldn't have to coop up your doggie for months at a time. . . .

This is a very pro Spay and Neuter board, and it does not look highly on Back Yard Breeding (BYB). . .be prepared for many similar comments to mine. . . .

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Old July 8th, 2005, 10:05 AM
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Sorry, just re read that post....OMG only 10 months...you have to have her spayed, her body is not capable of taking care of puppy's. She is still a baby.....Please do the right thing by her. Not only can it cost her her puppies, if goes to full term, can also cost her her own life.....PLEASE have her spayed NOW
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Old July 8th, 2005, 10:06 AM
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Sorry, just re read that post....OMG only 10 months...you have to have her spayed, her body is not capable of taking care of puppy's. She is still a baby.....Please do the right thing by her. Not only can it cost her her puppies, if goes to full term, can also cost her her own life.....PLEASE have her spayed NOW


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Old July 8th, 2005, 10:10 AM
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She was bred by your other dog at her most fertile time. She is most likely pregnant. Please have her checked by a vet and consider having her spayed before the puppies are due.
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Old July 8th, 2005, 10:13 AM
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10 months is very young. First a visit to the vet is definitely called for - and if she is pregnant - personally I would have her spayed right then resulting in an abortion of course. You did not say what type of dog the male is. If he is also a mini Dachshund, you will need to consider his age and especially if he has experienced any Dachshund disc disease. If he has, that alone would make the decision for me. At 10 months it is a little early for your female to be exhibiting symptoms of the disease, but there are extreme cases - my first mini exhibited serious symptoms being at 1 year. I am a serious expert on Dachshund disc disease and that pain and heartbreak involved by the dog and Mommy. There are many, many mini Dachshunds being put to sleep or given up to Rescues due to the back problem. I note that you have 4 dogs - perhaps you have been through this? If not, please check with your vet. Dogs of my heart. I hope she is not pregnant. If she isn't, pleased get her spayed. I get a little emotional about Dachshunds.
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Old July 8th, 2005, 10:19 AM
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What I would do.........

The only way to know for sure is to have a vet check and that should be done as soon as possible.
She is just a baby, most breeders would not consider breeding before the age of 2 years old, allowing the dog to fully mature and then only when all the medical tests and showing is done.
If she is pregnant, the vet will advise you as to the choices you have.

Personally, I would talk to the vet about aborting the puppies but the only way that could be done safely (IMHO) is to have her spayed.

Before jumping all over you I think there is more info that we need.

Is she going to be shown ( I don`t know if you can have a champion at 10 mos old someone correct me if I am wrong here.)
Is your male going to be shown or already a champion stud with all the genetic testing completed.

Do you plan on breeding her in the future if she is going to be shown and gets her championship title?

It would be dangerous for her to have a litter this early in life and small breeds do run into complications during labor.

You are new here so I think maybe all of the members here should remember the poll that is going on right now and even if this again infuriates you, don`t be rude, we have a new member here looking for answers, flame throwing will not help the situation.

A visit to your vet will answer your questions as to whether or not she is pregnant. It will cost you some money to find out and so will aborting the puppies, however, letting the pregnancy continue in such a young dog not only endangers your litter of puppies but also your female. I don`t think you would want to lose her and the puppies.

Please take your baby to the vet and get some answers and come back to let us know what your vet and you decide.

For all the other posters to this thread, play nice now and help this newbie out with some positive advice please.
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Old July 8th, 2005, 10:28 AM
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Hopefully she will take the first and foremost important advice and see a vet. Please come back and let us know what happend, and if she was indeed PG. But the vet will be the only one who can tell you for a fact that she is or is not PG. Then you can work from there.
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Old July 8th, 2005, 10:36 AM
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don`t be rude, we have a new member here looking for answers, flame throwing will not help the situation.
Who is "flame throwing"? I see good advice that a 10 month puppy should not be having puppies herself, that it's very risky and that she should be aborted.

Someone who cannot keep her intact male from tying with her puppy who is in heat is not likely to be heavily involved in showing, the breed, or dogs in general.
Even if this puppy is show quality/champion, she is way too young to breed and it's highly doubtful that the male is a champion as well, so aborting is really the only solution to this.

I do not mean that as anything other than a statement of fact.
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Old July 8th, 2005, 10:52 AM
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Lucky I didn`t see any YET but it does happen and after being at the SO many rude people thread and poll, I didn`t think a friendly reminder would hurt.

AngelEyes has started a thread that really speaks volumes about this site and the members on it.
No one should be afraid to post questions or suggestions here but from the poll there are wayyyyy too many who feel that they can`t.
I just want this new person to get some answers and not be another one that was scared off when people here decided to jump all over her.
One thing I strongly agree on here is that this puppy is way too young to be having a litter. Her vet should be able to explain her choices to her , as long as she goes to the vet.
Hopefully she will, and everything will work out for the best.
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Old July 8th, 2005, 11:05 AM
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I agree with what everyone is saying. We understand that you are new and looking for help- we want to help. Since aborting and spaying is the general consensus we ask you to PLEASE take our opinion into consideration. It's not just to avoid bringing more byb puppies into the world (which will take home away homes for homeless puppies) but a 10 month old is not mature enough to take care of puppies. A bitch should not be mated until she is 2 years old. It can also cost your puppy it's life.

Please consider our comments....we do want to help!
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Old July 8th, 2005, 11:08 AM
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I agree terminate the litter, it will be safer and healthier for your dog and the puppies.

This could be a very very difficult birth and she may not even want to nurse them...

Two intact dogs in the same house
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Old July 8th, 2005, 11:17 AM
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She is large for a Mini. She weighs about 14 lbs, not registered and not for show. The male dachshund is smaller than her by about 3 lbs. He's 5 yrs old and in excellent health. I want puppies, that's why I got a female. I know I am at fault for letting this happen, but it's my first experience with dogs in heat. I've always had males. I had noticed that she was not letting the male get near her and it seemed he had lost interest. About 3 days prior to this incident, he had lost interest in her and if he did sniff her, she would snap at him and get away. I feel really bad and yes I am going to take her to my vet. I have insurance on her as well as the rest of my dogs, so price is no object. No, I wont have her spayed unless it's the last resort. I have a very good vet and I know she will help me out. I was hopeing someone here would tell me she probably wasn't fertile, wishful thinking I guess. Thank you so much for your replies, looking forward to more.
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Old July 8th, 2005, 11:31 AM
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We know you want puppies... so do I! Who doesn't? However, I know about what is going on in the world and know it is just immoral to breed puppies that aren't show/champion dogs because that would make me a backyard breeder and I wouldn't want to add to the problem.

It seems as though you have your mind made up- and I hope that isn't so. We aren't going to jump on you for your choices but we will tell you if we disagree... so don't take it the wrong way.

You will be bringing puppies into the world that may have serious health problems- have they both been professionally tested (not by a vet)? What will you do with them when they get older? Spay neuter contracts? Will you take the puppies back at any age? You can't even give them out with papers, or health guarantees! When a buyer asks what genetic problems have you faced with your dogs, what will you say? How will you find GOOD homes? Anyone who knows about dogs will think it is in poor judgement that you mated your bitch at 10 months... and she may not even take care of the puppies. Are you ready to sit up with formula every two hours for over a month? Do you plan on making money off of the pupppies? No reputable breeder does! They are lucky if they break even. Your dogs will be much healthier spayed and neutered as well. Will this be your only litter? If not how often do you plan to breed?

There is so much more to know!

We know you didn't mean for this to happen now- and it shouldn't have. Again, don't take this as me jumping on you... these are just questions that matter and I do hope we hear back from you!!!!
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Old July 8th, 2005, 11:48 AM
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I'm confused...

You want puppies, do you mean you want to breed puppies from these two eventually or you want to adopt puppies ?

Neither of them are for show? Yet neither of them are altered. Your male is 5 yrs old, why is he not altered and why isn't this 10 mon old altered?

It sounds like you do want to breed these two dogs, is that correct?
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Old July 8th, 2005, 11:58 AM
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you are risking your females health following through if she is PG, can you really live with yourself if something happens to her. I know I could not
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I'm confused...

You want puppies, do you mean you want to breed puppies from these two eventually or you want to adopt puppies ?

Neither of them are for show? Yet neither of them are altered. Your male is 5 yrs old, why is he not altered and why isn't this 10 mon old altered?

It sounds like you do want to breed these two dogs, is that correct?
Yes, that is what epundt is saying. She bought a female specifically to breed her 5 year old male. Nothing was said about epundt adopting puppies... this is all about the ones she owns.
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Old July 8th, 2005, 12:01 PM
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Oh yeah, I just reread your post- if she went into heat then she is fertile- just like humans.
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Old July 8th, 2005, 12:10 PM
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LOL humans don't ovulate at the same time as they bleed unless they have a cycle under 14 days...

Please do what is right for the dog. Puppies are cute, but at what expense are you willing to have them? There is a ton of advice here, please read it all carefully.

(too bad there's no "doggy morning after" pill...)
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Old July 8th, 2005, 12:11 PM
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LOL humans don't ovulate at the same time as they bleed unless they have a cycle under 14 days...

Please do what is right for the dog. Puppies are cute, but at what expense are you willing to have them? There is a ton of advice here, please read it all carefully.

(too bad there's no "doggy morning after" pill...)

LOL!! NO prin!! ha ha ha I meant once they get it they are fertile!! LOL, my bad... that came out wrong!!
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Old July 8th, 2005, 12:33 PM
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Waiting clarification from the OP
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Old July 8th, 2005, 12:44 PM
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I had noticed that she was not letting the male get near her and it seemed he had lost interest. About 3 days prior to this incident, he had lost interest in her and if he did sniff her, she would snap at him and get away.
The reason she was not interested and snapping at him is that she was not ready to accept him. It is very late in the heat cycle that the female accepts the male. The end of the heat cycle is the critical point, not the beginning. Just want to clarify that so that it is understood for other OP's and yourself.
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Old July 8th, 2005, 12:55 PM
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Hope she comes back at let us know what she decided to do
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Old July 8th, 2005, 01:04 PM
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She is large for a Mini. She weighs about 14 lbs, not registered and not for show.
Which means she is not a prime example of the breed and should therefore not be bred. BTW, a 14lb Dachshund is still a small dog and is still subject to the same whelping problems as all other small-breed dogs. If you don't terminate this pregnancy, prepare yourself for a costly c-section and the very real possibility of losing your dog and her puppies.

If you want to become a breeder, you should find a good, reputable breeder first. Team up with them, ask them to be your mentor. Spend the next several years learning everything you can about the breed, about animal husbandry, about genetics, about the show ring and other championship events. Get yourself a show-quality pup and show her to several championships. Then, maybe, you'll be ready to try breeding, and only with your mentor by your side the whole time.

Good luck to you and your puppy - I really mean that.
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Old July 8th, 2005, 02:25 PM
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My 10 month old Mini Dachshund came in heat 30 days ago. I understand the heat lasts about 21 days. I had her protected for the whole time, except for about 2 hours on the 18th day, waiting for her panties to dry. My male made contact and they tied up. What are the chances she was not fertile?
If she is pregnant she should have the puppies by Aug. 4th.
Evidently you didn't read my post. She was with 3 days of going out of heat when this happened. Oh, incidently, this is the most unfriendly forum I have ever been at, and I've been to alot. No, I love my dogs, they are my babies. I can't stand breeders because they tend to breed in more problems than breeding out problems. I know my male's background extensively and I know my female's also. I know that my male comes from small mini's and his prior puppies were small in stature. My female is of a larger stature mini mom and dad and so are her grandparents. I'm sure she won't have a problem having babies. I feel confident that if she is pregnant and if she has puppies, I may have to raise them. I wonder how many of you have insurance on your fur babies. You need to try and not be so judjemental of others in this forum. Try to be a little nicer.Bye, thanks for the info.

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Old July 8th, 2005, 02:32 PM
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Whatever, I just hope that if she does not make it out of the delivery, you can live with the guilt............................................. ...
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Evidently you didn't read my post. She was with 3 days of going out of heat when this happened. Oh, incidently, this is the most unfriendly forum I have ever been at, and I've been to alot. No, I love my dogs, they are my babies. I can't stand breeders because they tend to breed in more problems than breeding out problems. I know my male's background extensively and I know my female's also. I know that my male comes from small mini's and his prior puppies were small in stature. My female is of a larger stature mini mom and dad and so are her grandparents. I'm sure she won't have a problem having babies. I feel confident that if she is pregnant and if she has puppies, I may have to raise them. I wonder how many of you have insurance on your fur babies. You need to try and not be so judjemental of others in this forum. Try to be a little nicer.Bye, thanks for the info.
I have a HEFTY health insurance on my fur baby!

I don't think we were rude to you at all. The background of your dogs that you stated is not what was asked. It was regarding health background. Don't read into our questions as us probing you... we want to know this so we can help you with issues you may not know about.
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I, too, have my animals insured. A lot of people on this board do, as a matter of fact. Yet others have opted to open bank accounts for their animals instead. What does that have to do with irresponsible breeding practices?

I'm sorry you feel slighted, but these are facts that you've been given, not opinions and conjecture. Do with them what you will. I only hope no one here has cause to say "I told you so" any time soon.
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Old July 8th, 2005, 03:15 PM
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If you decide to go through and let your puppy have puppies of her own, when you go to adopt them out make sure you wait till they are a min of 8 weeks old and draw up an adoption contract and charge a fee for them. . ."free to good home" dogs often end up in puppymills and you wouldn't want that, now would you?

Do a search on the forum about adoption contracts or adoption fees.

Please consider what everyone has said. . . please do whats best for your puppy.

Let us know what you decide.
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