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Neapolitan Mastiff

gorilla
November 30th, 2004, 11:27 PM
Hi,
Please help us. We currently own a beautiful blue Neo (11 months). She is beautiful. Unfortunately, life has some unexpected changes for us which forces us to have to find a good (very good home) for her. This parting is breaking us up.

Shannon83
November 30th, 2004, 11:31 PM
You need to tell us were you are?

mastifflover
December 1st, 2004, 10:14 AM
Yes exactly where are you? Is she spayed and how big is she so far. I have a few places that might be able to place her in a good home. If someone named Jenn Ocpnnor or Stacey Hanson contact you please let me know and do not under any circumstances release her to this woman. She might use other aliases. If you would like you can PM me and I will explain we all know the story of her so dont want to rehash it. How is she with male other dogs. I have a OEM but my last guy was a Neo. She might be good with my boy.

jackieb
December 1st, 2004, 10:16 AM
were are you based ?

try www.petfinder.com

raingirl
December 1st, 2004, 10:20 AM
I hear (from the people here) that they are great dogs. I might be interested, but I guess it depends on where you live!

mastifflover
December 1st, 2004, 10:57 AM
Rachel they are great dogs but I suggest you do some reading about them. If you are a clean freak this is not the dog for you they do drool a lot some less then others but they can be big droolers. We call them slingers cuz they fly when they start shaking their heads. Read some of this stuff on them they are a giant breed but they do not require a huge place to live.
http://www.canadasguidetodogs.com/neopolitan.htm
This is a excellent kennel and great info and dogs on her site.
http://www.neapolitan.ca/

Bugsy
December 1st, 2004, 01:04 PM
Gorilla are you in Montreal? If you are please give a shout.

gorilla
December 1st, 2004, 01:47 PM
Gorilla are you in Montreal? If you are please give a shout.

Not exactly, we live in the suburbs of Montreal.

mastifflover
December 1st, 2004, 02:02 PM
I am back if you want to call me
Robin

Bugsy
December 1st, 2004, 02:03 PM
Private message me your number..please so I can call you.

raingirl
December 1st, 2004, 02:55 PM
Too far...oh well...

Lucky Rescue
December 2nd, 2004, 10:06 AM
Why haven't you contacted the breeder? If they are reputable, they would insist on getting this dog back.

mastifflover
December 2nd, 2004, 11:32 AM
She was a rehome to Gorilla and we are checking on a couple of possibilities. I would love to take her but I just don't know if we will all fit in my place, but do have a couple of hopefuls for this girl. Gorilla wants to be very picky as to where she goes she does not want her shuffled around anymore. I spoke with her yesterday and wants to make this as easy a transition as possible she is heartbroken about having to do this but as she explained her family situation has changed drastically. She will keep her until she finds a forever home no rescues or shelters or fosters for her.

jackieb
December 2nd, 2004, 11:38 AM
dont know if it would be worth her advertising the dog to a good home then vetting the people who responde.

wonder i fmy landlord would notice a neopolitan mastiff ;)

jackieb
December 2nd, 2004, 11:45 AM
well i hope the dog finds a really good home :thumbs up

Lucky Rescue
December 2nd, 2004, 11:49 AM
Poor dog. 11 months old and already heading to a 3rd home.

Gorilla, if you send me her pic and all her info and your email addy, I'll post her on my Petfinder site for you.

She will be seen all over the country.

mastifflover
December 2nd, 2004, 12:35 PM
I know it is so sad and neo's are very prone to seperation anxiety.

BMDLuver
December 2nd, 2004, 02:54 PM
We are aiming to visit her on Wednesday of next week and try to help with her new home selection! Hope this helps. Bugsy, please practice driving something other than a straight line as if you wish to go with me you will need to meet me part way! :eek:

Bugsy
December 2nd, 2004, 08:16 PM
No problem...*lol* :D any chance of a traffic jam that day?

mona_b
December 6th, 2004, 07:35 PM
I agree with LR.I would get in contact with the breeder.That is if this dog came from a licenced breeder.

BMDLuver
December 16th, 2004, 08:08 PM
Hi All,
Here is Shyla. She is a lovely dog. Thought you might be interested in seeing her.

Little Angels
December 16th, 2004, 08:42 PM
Gorilla, I saw a posting in montreal with phone numbers to call for this dog. I think it is this dog anyway. The telephone numbers had all been torn off so I was unable to get the number.

Is this the dog that you are asking $ 600.00 for? It looks exactly like her. Here in Montreal

BMDLuver
December 16th, 2004, 08:50 PM
Shyla will be adopted through Foxy's Canine Companions. I also heard about the dog for sale that is similar to Shyla. She has already been purchased and they are not the same dogs. We too were confused about it until we spoke with Gorilla and verified that Shyla was not the dog. I visited her today and she is a wonderful dog. Thank you.

Lucky Rescue
December 16th, 2004, 09:14 PM
ACK! Neos being bought and dumped. I wish people would NOT get a dog just because it's the "latest thing" then ditching them when they realize that they had no idea what they were getting into.

The thought of a bunch of badly bred Neos being peddled is truly frightening.:(

I can only imagine what it does to their temperaments to be bounced around to multiple homes before the age of even ONE year old.

BMDLuver
December 16th, 2004, 09:18 PM
I'm a little confused, is the above comment being directed at us?

DogueLover
December 16th, 2004, 09:38 PM
I don`t think Lucky was trying to be mean, but I do think that a very important point was made regarding dogs. I am a firm believer that the kind of dog you end up with has a lot to do with what happens to them in their first year of life. I feel so sorry for this neo......... she is just gorgeous and must be so confused, ( she must be thinking why doesn`t anyone want me?)
I won`t judge her owners for trying to find a new home for her as we all know that sometimes life deals us with a real crappy hand and we have to do what we have to do, I just feel so sorry for that pup. To be going to her third home before she is a year old and not knowing if she will stay there must be awful for her. I hope that she can find a forever home, and finally be able to relax and grow into the dog she was destined to be.
If she was originally purchased from a breeder I would be very surprized if the original breeder would not want her back, I can`t imagine the breeder wanting what has happened to her to continue.
Large breed dogs are not for everyone and maybe she needs someone who understands exactly what they are getting into.

I wish we didn`t live so far away, I have a large home and I am sure she would fit right in here, we have room for one baby grand piano now ( namely our Dogue ... Angel). Hubby may not want another mastiff right now though, he has enough trouble when angel wants to be his lap dog.

BMDLuver
December 16th, 2004, 09:53 PM
Shyla did not appear to be confused or distressed. She is currently living in her first home after being weaned. Circumstances changed for the adoptive family that her owners had selected and they gladly took her back until such time as an appropriate home can be found for her. She will be adopted by a family who knows and appreciates the magnificent dog that she is. It is at the descretion of the owner as to whom she chooses to ask for assistance in this matter. We do not question her motives, she does love Shyla and has only her best interest at heart. Please try to bear this in mind when making comments about Shyla or her current owners. We thank you for your understanding in this matter.

Lucky Rescue
December 16th, 2004, 10:05 PM
I'm a little confused, is the above comment being directed at us?

NO! Of course not! You didn't breed or buy these dogs and you aren't dumping them are you? You are trying to get them permanent and responsible homes.

My comments were just a general rant.

BMDLuver
December 16th, 2004, 10:12 PM
I think with the number of dogs being dumped, my mind is becoming a bit mushy. I have to read things about 5 times before I can make head or tail of them and usually one read and I have it. Thanks LR for clarifying. :thumbs up

Little Angels
December 16th, 2004, 11:13 PM
I think that someone should check out this breeder. As their are two Mastiffs of the same age, colour and sex currently looking for a new home. It would not surprise me if they are even from the same litter. There is one being posted around town and the one that foxy's is taking.

This has to raise a few eye brows and I am sure that the breeder will want to know.

Bugsy
December 17th, 2004, 12:19 AM
Bugsy & I think Shyla is so Purdy. Allright, we may be a little bias when it comes to Neapolitan Mastiffs. Awww.... Peaches is jealous now :p


Shyla gets our ~ Cutie Patootie Award ~

Bugsy
December 17th, 2004, 01:30 AM
Mastifflover close your eyes... "are you thinking what I'm thinking...?"

DogueLover
December 17th, 2004, 03:26 AM
My comments were not directed towards Shyla`s current situation, they were just general. I just don`t understand why the breeder wasn`t contacted about the situation. Is she in the original owners home ( the one`s who got her from the breeder) ? Sorry, I am a bit confused as to who got the dog from the breeder when she was old enough to leave her mother.

I can only imagine the heartbreak they are going through, I am a big sucker for Mastiffs and it would kill me if I ever had to be without my girl. I know that part of the contract I have with my Dogue`s breeder clearly states that if, for any reason, we can no longer give her a home, she is to be returned to the breeder.
Can you please help me sort out where Shyla came from originally? I am sorry if my comments were taken personally, they were not intended to be directed at her present owners. :sorry:
I truly hope they can find her the home they want for her, that is a very hard decision and one I would never want to have to make.
Just one more question............ why can`t she stay in the present owner`s home? Maybe I am missing something here........... :confused:

BMDLuver
December 17th, 2004, 04:13 AM
It is at the discretion of the current owner, who is the one who purchased Shyla in the first place to make the decision as to return her or not to the breeder. I did not question this during the dog's evaluation. Nor did I question what type of breeder she was purchased from. I merely asked where the breeder was located. It was very clear that what was wanted was a very good home for her, one which the current owner would have the opportunity to meet. The reasons for Shyla needing a new home are personal and will remain that way. Perhaps the owner did advertise her for sale in the area, I did not ask. I did ask if she was adopted out shortly before I went to evaluate her as someone on a site I frequent just purchased a clone of Shyla in Montreal. It seemed so coincidental but turned out to not be Shyla.

As for the second dog, Little Angels, there is a breeder who was setup in St. Constant, and has now moved his operations to a Kennel front operation with a business manager. He is a puppymill and breeds a ton of different dogs and advertises them for sale on chienchien and leuleu. He also advertised for his kennel operator on those sites. He uses a cell number and meets potential purchasers at a second location. He was originally contacted when he had the mastiffs advertised as he initially was offering free to a good home and we all know what that means. Perhaps this is one of his dogs, I can only guess as I do not go out looking for advertised dogs, the owner's contact us. As member's of the Watchdog Committee are very active in that area, perhaps you can inquire with them? I believe you have the numbers. :)

Bugsy
December 17th, 2004, 04:18 AM
I'm having a hard time understanding some of the posts in this thread. Shyla's mother was very skittish about working with rescues/shelters at the onset of this thread. She has since agreed to work with a rescue. This should be a good thing. Suddenly we have posts concerning her judgement and comments about dumping and temperment issues. Now can someone please clarify how all this negativity is going to help this dog..... Anyone?

Little Angels
December 17th, 2004, 06:52 AM
If you could pass on the cell number that you have for this guy in St. Constant that would be great! Maybe it is worth checking out.

If these are two different dogs of the same age, colour, sex etc. This breeder could be very upset if not notified. I will try and check further into the flyers that I have seen. If the dog that you saw on another site was also in Montreal and of the same breed, age, colour, sex as your little girl. There may be three of them in this situation now.

Once we had a dog where the breeder found out that the original owner had given up their dog and is in a big serious court battle right now. As their contract is quite clear on these issues and they are legally set up for any breaching of their contracts. As they have a long waiting list of people that they would prefer to place the dogs with. They are very very picky on where their dogs go, at the very beginning and in the future life of their dogs. I can not blame them though, as our contract also states that we should be contacted at any time if the situation of our animal changes and that the animal be returned to us.

The good part is that the new owner contacted the breeder and all was accepted for them to be the new owner and were presented with a welcoming gift and all files were transfered over to the new family. Home visits were done and all is well.

BMDLuver
December 17th, 2004, 09:03 AM
Little Angels: I believe that the Mastiff advertisement you have seen is the one in the vet's office in Lasalle?

As for the puppymiller, we are watching for his advertisements. He only ever leaves a cell number. We appreciate the offer to help but will continue with this one quietly.

We will leave it to the discretion of Shyla's owners as to advising where she purchased her or not.


In the meantime, some of us need to get back to the task at hand, finding homes for the multitude of animals that need us. As most know, this year has been an odd one for animals being homeless prior to the holidays. One can only wonder what it will be like as a result after the holidays. :sad:

Little Angels
December 17th, 2004, 09:10 AM
Will do

As for the puppy miller, I had sent the information to the Watchdog committee as you had recommended. I will ask her to contact you regarding checking this guy out.

She can track down just about anybody :)

BMDLuver
December 17th, 2004, 09:33 AM
I'll go through the files and pull up his number. I seem to remember his name being Alain or Andre. I'll forward it to you in the next few days.

DogueLover
December 17th, 2004, 09:34 AM
I was just wondering............ how far away can the new homes be for the animals you guys are talking about? It is so discouraging and so disheartning to know that you guys have so many dogs needing homes and I am at least 2 provinces away( in most cases).
I know of some excellent homes here where I live and I know for certain, that dogs placed in those homes would be "forever pets" and yet I have to sit and watch helplessly here. :sad:
My hope for Shyla and her situation is that a home like the ones I know of here can be found for her by her current owners. I cannot believe that there are so many of those beautiful giants out there who are searching for homes.......... how I need a ranch!!!

If my post offended anyone I apologize. It is so hard to express yourself with just typed words. My comment about getting in touch with Shyla`s original breeder was only stated because of the contract I have with my dog`s breeder............ I was just curious as to whether or not they had one.
IF she comes from the same miller as the other dogs mentioned in these posts then I would not expect her to be returned.

Maybe because I am soooo protective and proud of my mastiff, I come across as negative to anyone who has one and isn`t keeping theirs. Like I said in my original post........... we sometimes get dealt a real crappy hand in life and do what we have to do................ I believe that is what has happened to the people in Shyla`s present position and my heart goes out to them.......... even the thought of a day without my dogue is too difficult to imagine, I won`t even try to understand how they feel.


I sure hope you guys close enough can help them in their search and that the story has a happy ending. I wish there was more I could do.

BMDLuver
December 17th, 2004, 09:39 AM
Thanks for the reply. They are lovely dogs and I have always been attracted to the gentle giants. No offense was taken, I know that you love your dog and it's a good thing to worry about another. Quebec is the worst province for animals being discarded so we see many of the gentle giants needing help. Shyla is fortunate in that she has a family who loves her and will do all possible to make sure her next one is the same. Let's hope some of the others turn out that way too!

mona_b
December 17th, 2004, 09:43 AM
My comment about getting in touch with Shyla`s original breeder was only stated because of the contract I have with my dog`s breeder............ I was just curious as to whether or not they had one.
IF she comes from the same miller as the other dogs mentioned in these posts then I would not expect her to be returned.

.




This is why I also asked if the breeder was contacted.
:)

mastifflover
December 17th, 2004, 10:29 AM
I also spoke to Gorilla and she really does care about what happens to this beauty and if I had the room I would not even think twice about taking her she is beautiful.
I agree with you 100% Lucky when will people do some research about the breeds they want. Giant breeds and especially drool monsters are not for everyone it is something that some people get grossed out by and they do this there whole lives well except when they are pups. We are fairly lucky here in Ontario the reputable breeders of Neo's are very stringent about where there dogs go. BMD I also suggest if you do not find a home in Quebec if you would like contact me and I will put you in touch with a really great lady who is a breeder and also assists in rescues of these beautiful dogs. She was very helpful when I had Boo and also in shutting down Jenn's so called rescue.Bugsy I am trying not to look at her she makes my heart melt

Lucky Rescue
December 17th, 2004, 11:45 AM
There are many good people here in Quebec who do adopt dogs and cats and give them wonderful homes.

I wish I could say there are many good breeders, but there are not. :mad: MANY people here, and I would say the majority, know nothing of mills and bybers and see nothing wrong with buying puppies at petstores or from byb newspaper ads.

There are very few rescues here, and most of them will NOT take Dobies, GSDs, pit bulls, Rotties and certainly not Neo Mastiffs,(no matter how wonderful their temperaments are) so to you who will I say THANK YOU!!!!!

It's very sad to see dogs rescues with breed predjudice like this. :(

mastifflover
December 17th, 2004, 12:05 PM
That is awful that they discriminate against breeds.

BMDLuver
December 17th, 2004, 04:03 PM
Some rescues determine a dog's adoptability by the breed, others do not. In some cases, they state insurance as the reason behind excluding certain breeds. Breed specific rescues are important to that breed and the knowledge they have of it. The only comment I can make is that the rescues that do not decline a dog based on it's breeding are few and far between in Quebec. It's a pity as the dogs they exclude are some of the greatest dogs we've met. Other rescues will tell you the same. The only way to educate the public is through example and excluding a dog due to breed does not help in the education process, rather hinder it. All we can ask is that rescues consider this when rejecting a breed specific dog.

Lucky Rescue
December 17th, 2004, 04:43 PM
The only way to educate the public is through example and excluding a dog due to breed does not help in the education process, rather hinder it.

Some of the most wonderful dogs I've known have been Dobies and pit bulls, and some of the worst have been of breeds happily accepted by rescue.

To the average person, knowing that even dog-loving rescues will not accept them is devastating to these breeds, and further "proof" of their dangerousness.

Pretty hard to argue when even rescues go by "Judge the breed and not the deed".:mad:

whinnie-boo
December 17th, 2004, 04:56 PM
Has shyla found a home yet? :confused:

BMDLuver
December 17th, 2004, 05:10 PM
We will not be introducing Shyla to anyone prior to January so that she may spend a quiet holiday with her current family. We have already received calls and emails on her though :thumbs up

mastifflover
December 17th, 2004, 05:13 PM
Good call. We don't want her to be a christmas casualty for the Oh I want a dog crowd then 2 months later she is too big, I don't have time for her.

bill patterson
December 29th, 2004, 12:07 PM
Hi,
Please help us. We currently own a beautiful blue Neo (11 months). She is beautiful. Unfortunately, life has some unexpected changes for us which forces us to have to find a good (very good home) for her. This parting is breaking us up.


private message me with your telephone number

bill patterson
December 29th, 2004, 12:07 PM
Hi,
Please help us. We currently own a beautiful blue Neo (11 months). She is beautiful. Unfortunately, life has some unexpected changes for us which forces us to have to find a good (very good home) for her. This parting is breaking us up.


private message me with your telephone number

Bugsy
December 29th, 2004, 12:09 PM
Bill... the dog Gorilla is referring to is up for adoption through Foxy's Canine Companions. You can contact them here... by filling out the adoption questionaire. www.foxyscaninecompanions.ca

BMDLuver
December 29th, 2004, 07:10 PM
Why in God's name would I private message a complete stranger with my phone number? Sorry but I can't even begin to understand that request.

Lucky Rescue
December 29th, 2004, 07:25 PM
I think the request for the telephone no. was directed at "gorilla".

DogueLover
December 29th, 2004, 07:29 PM
I asked this earlier and have yet to get an answer.......... why a Neo Mastiff??
The final comment about everyone wanting one really bugs me because if this is the reason for getting one then it is one of the worst I have heard.
Any mastiff owner can tell you that they are not a dog for just anyone.......... and probably would do better with an experienced owner, even their size can be a determining factor as to whether or not the owner can handle them.
Could someone please tell me if it has been determined as to why a NEO?

I am just concerned that this dog will be a "fad" and that there has not been enough research done on this breed to fully understand what the owner is getting into.

I know that Shyla is up for adoption and that she has even been mentioned to this person, I just wonder if I missed something somewhere. :confused:

BMDLuver
December 29th, 2004, 09:43 PM
response to bmdluver

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Quote:
Originally Posted by gorilla
Hi,
Please help us. We currently own a beautiful blue Neo (11 months). She is beautiful. Unfortunately, life has some unexpected changes for us which forces us to have to find a good (very good home) for her. This parting is breaking us up.




private message me with your telephone number


The second one did say response to bmdluver so I thought it was directed to me? Maybe wrong, lol

NeoNewbie
February 16th, 2005, 09:07 PM
Hi! I'm looking for a Neapolitan Mastiff puppy, but i cant find a breeder near me! Does anyone know a breeder in California? Near Monterey county? I also canít spend more than $1,200. Can anyone help?!

Lucky Rescue
February 16th, 2005, 10:40 PM
For reputable breeders, you can contact the Southwestern Neo Club (http://www.neapolitan.com/snc.htm)

Neos seem to be the "dog du Jour" in California and there are lots of them in rescue - even puppies like Vladimir (http://www.petfinder.org/pet.cgi?action=2&pet=3869320&adTarget=468doggeneral&SessionID=42140f391fe703c6-app4&display=&preview=&row=0&tmpl=&stat=) a 7 month old whose owner allowed her older dog to attack constantly, then wanted to kill him rather than pay vet bills.


YOu can see this dog and a bunch of others at
Operation Canine Rescue (http://www.petfinder.org/shelters/CA307.html)
and
Canine Rescue Coalition (http://www.caninerescuecoalition.org/new/crc/default.asp)

NeoNewbie
February 18th, 2005, 09:48 PM
Thanks Lucky!