Dee-O-Gee November 24th, 2009, 09:47 PM This morning, upon inspecting Mollie's incision, I noticed a blue vein streak below the incision along with a hard spot, to the left of the stitches.
I called the vet and they insisted we bring her in for an examination immediately. Turns out, she has an infection. Fortunately, it was caught at an early stage and our vet wants to treat it with 125 mg of Noroclav rather then lancing it.
Is this common to have an infection after an ovario-hysterectomy? :shrug: What could have caused an infection? She's been wearing the e-collar since Thursday and has only done leashed outings. She is due back at our vet on Monday but, I'm concerned if I need to watch for additional signs of continued infection.
Frenchy November 24th, 2009, 09:54 PM Is this common to have an infection after an ovario-hysterectomy? :shrug: What could have caused an infection? She's been wearing the e-collar since Thursday and has only done leashed outings. She is due back at our vet on Monday but, I'm concerned if I need to watch for additional signs of continued infection.
It is not common but it does happen. I wouldn't worry about it , she is on antibiotics :thumbs up
kathryn November 24th, 2009, 09:57 PM I've assisted on about 2,000+ spay/neuter surgeries... so perhaps I can be of some use.
I looked up Noroclav and it looks like another version of Clavamox (US). That is a great anti-biotic that rarely has any major side effects.
Depending on the kind of sutures used, sometimes animals have allergic reactions to the stitches. The tell-tale sign of this is a lump on or near the stitches. It's, from my understanding, inflammation from the body rejecting the sutures. When this happens, a round of anti-biotics usually clears it up. The drug of choice where I work is usually Cephalexin 250mg or 500mg. Sometimes the animals do have to be sedated and the old stitches removed and have new ones put in.. of a different kind. Sometimes you can use staples as well/in place of, or surgical glue.
If you are able too, could you please post a picture? While I can't diagnose anything, I might be able to give you a bit more advice from what I would tell a client at my own clinic.
And no, infections are not common after spay/neuter surgeries... but occasionally happen. It depends on a variety of things. In healthy animals with a competent owner who is actually going to follow the post-op instructions, infections are rare. But, they still happen.
Can you check to make sure that the e-collar extends atleast 3 inches past the tip of her nose? Sometimes e-collars are just a bit too small and the dog manages to get to their incision while the owner is sleeping.
luckypenny November 24th, 2009, 09:57 PM Penny had an infection beneath the incision after her spay. One of our fosters had one as well. Nothing that antibiotics didn't fix after a couple of days though.
No idea what could have caused Mollie's but it's a good thing you checked. :goodvibes: for a speedy recovery, from both the spay and the infection.
hazelrunpack November 24th, 2009, 10:06 PM Good thing you're an observant mommy, klm :thumbs up We've had cases of minor infections along incisions, too, but the antibiotics do wonders.
:goodvibes: for Ms Mollie!
Dee-O-Gee November 24th, 2009, 10:16 PM I've assisted on about 2,000+ spay/neuter surgeries... so perhaps I can be of some use.
If you are able too, could you please post a picture? While I can't diagnose anything, I might be able to give you a bit more advice from what I would tell a client at my own clinic.
Here's a picture of the incision. If you start from her bottom up, the hard spot is on the left side and the blue veining is below the incision. Would there be anything else we need to keep an eye on? She seems to be more rambunctious now then she was before having surgery. :frustrated:
60140
Frenchy November 24th, 2009, 10:23 PM She seems to be more rambunctious now then she was before having surgery. :frustrated:
she can't run or jump , I know I know , it's hard.:dog: Does she plays when she has the cone on her ? I sometimes put it on them (the fosters after their spay / neuter) not to keep them from licking but more to keep them from running around.
hazelrunpack November 24th, 2009, 10:33 PM It's not looking too bad, klm! And yeah, keeping them quiet can be quite the chore. But the rambunctiousness is actually a good sign--if the infection were widespread, she wouldn't have near the energy that she does. :D
Things to watch for--increased redness or ooziness at the incision site, lethargy, loss of appetite... But I suspect she'll recover just fine. How many more days till the sutures come out?
Dee-O-Gee November 24th, 2009, 10:34 PM she can't run or jump , I know I know , it's hard.:dog: Does she plays when she has the cone on her ? I sometimes put it on them (the fosters after their spay / neuter) not to keep them from licking but more to keep them from running around.
OMG Frenchy! The cone doesn't faze her in the least! She feels just as comfortable with the cone on as she does with it off! It's been EXTREMELY difficult trying to keep her from bouncing, running and hopping, even with the cone on!
She hasnt' attacked the stitches as far as licking or scratching them with or without cone. We've been crating her at night in our bedroom (with the cone on) but it's been more so to keep Gryphon away from licking her then her licking herself! :frustrated:
Frenchy November 24th, 2009, 10:36 PM OMG Frenchy! The cone doesn't faze her in the least!
omg :laughing: then I'm afraid you'll need valiums , for Molly and yourself :laughing:
good luck KLM :fingerscr
Dee-O-Gee November 24th, 2009, 10:37 PM How many more days till the sutures come out?
They're suppose to come out this Monday. The vet gave us 10 days of the Noroclav, twice daily. I suppose a happy/hoppy/bouncy puppy with an infection is a good sign? :shrug:
Dee-O-Gee November 24th, 2009, 10:40 PM omg :laughing: then I'm afraid you'll need valiums , for Molly and yourself :laughing:
good luck KLM :fingerscr
You got that right...1 for Mollie and two for Momma! :confused: 60142
rainbow November 24th, 2009, 10:51 PM Aww, sorry to hear about Mollie. :grouphug:
We've never had an infection happen after a spay/neuter either with all the dogs we've had and as already mentioned it def doesn't happen very often. It doesn't look that bad and the antibiotics will clear it up for sure ....speedy recovery, Mollie. :goodvibes:
Dee-O-Gee November 24th, 2009, 10:56 PM Aww, sorry to hear about Mollie. :grouphug:
We've never had an infection happen after a spay/neuter either with all the dogs we've had and as already mentioned it def doesn't happen very often. It doesn't look that bad and the antibiotics will clear it up for sure ....speedy recovery, Mollie. :goodvibes:
This is the first for us as well. It's just a matter of keeping a close eye, more leash pees and less rambunctiousness--right hazel? :)
hazelrunpack November 24th, 2009, 11:08 PM Yep, definitely less rambunctiousness...or is that rambunctiosity? :laughing:
rainbow November 24th, 2009, 11:13 PM Good luck with that. :D
Marcha November 24th, 2009, 11:38 PM Yep, definitely less rambunctiousness...or is that rambunctiosity? :laughing:
Definitely rambunctiosity, simply because it sounds better and produces some awesome mental imagery. :D
Gail P November 24th, 2009, 11:55 PM When Rain was spayed everything looked good for several days and then she developed some redness and swelling around one of her stitches. Took her to the vet who snipped out that stitch and said to put some polysporin on it. It was just a bit of infection of the skin around that one stitch. It cleared up the skin went back to normal, the incision line healed well etc. but then about 2 1/2 months or so after the surgery she started getting what looked like blisters along the incision line. Just one at a time, it would be a watery blister, then start to dry up and turn a bit dry and red, a little scabby and then another one would appear. As it turned out, instead of the inner sutures properly dissolving her body was rejecting them and they were working their way out. When I was checking on one scabby looking spot I bumped off the scab and with it came a big knot of the suture material. After that it all cleared up.
Dee-O-Gee November 26th, 2009, 08:56 PM Hum..that's interesting Gail P.
Her stomach is still hard next to the stitches and the blue vein line is still there. The hardness/swelling hasn't gotten any bigger but it hasn't gone away either. :shrug:
Just wondering if it could be something to do with the inner stitches? :shrug:
hazelrunpack November 26th, 2009, 09:02 PM Good thing you have the appt on Monday--the vet should be able to figure out what's going on. If you're like hazel, your heart will rest easier after a vet looks at the lumpiness. :o hazel is a real wooss when it comes to incisions....
ancientgirl November 26th, 2009, 09:20 PM I'm glad you caught the infection early. You really have to watch these little guys. I'm sure she'll be just fine with the anti-biotic.
Dee-O-Gee November 26th, 2009, 09:31 PM Well if it wasn't for her rambunctiosity/rambunctiousness, I would be concerned.
I haven't taken them for walks since her surgery (last Thursday) in fear of damaging or it hurting her. Not sure if it's a good idea yet until the vet check on Monday? They just seem to be getting claustrophobic and bored? :shrug:
aslan November 26th, 2009, 09:33 PM poor mollie, you should be able to take her on a slow walk klm..if i'm not mistaken one of LP's fosters tummy's got a little infected too.
kathryn November 26th, 2009, 09:35 PM Here's a picture of the incision. If you start from her bottom up, the hard spot is on the left side and the blue veining is below the incision. Would there be anything else we need to keep an eye on? She seems to be more rambunctious now then she was before having surgery. :frustrated:
Sorry for the delayed response. The actual entry points where the sutures go in and out of looks seriously irritated. They normally don't look like that even when they are healing. I'd call that an allergic reaction...
And did they leave the ends of the sutures just hanging there like that? I think that just looks weird. Every vet has their own way of closing though :shrug:
Anyways, overall her belly does not look that bad... just looks like she had a suture reaction that caused some irritation. I've seen some funky things happen after s/n surgeries.... RARE things I might add... but this is, from how she looks in the picture, nothing to freak out over :thumbs up
Dee-O-Gee November 26th, 2009, 09:40 PM So would it be a reaction to the type of thread (if you may) they used to suture? If the hardness isn't going down could it be some kind of reaction with the inner stitches?
growler~GateKeeper November 26th, 2009, 11:40 PM Just sending some speedy healing :goodvibes: for Mollie
kathryn November 27th, 2009, 08:39 AM So would it be a reaction to the type of thread (if you may) they used to suture? If the hardness isn't going down could it be some kind of reaction with the inner stitches?
Yes, it could be the type of material the thread is made of. There are lots and lots of different brands and styles of stitches. Sometimes animas (and I'm sure people too) can have allergic reactions to the particular material.
As for the lump, I'm not really sure. For the inner stitches they have to be dissolvable of course, and that would likely make them a different material then the ones on the surface. The lumps I've seen from suture reactions are always right on the incision and very clear to see.
So for the bump, I'm not sure. Perhaps it could be some kind of hematoma or something. But yeah, from your picture and description I just would say that her skin looks irritated but overall since she's not oozing or bleeding or turning funky colors I'd say in a few days everything should start going back to normal.
Ask your vet if either a warm compress or a cool compress can be put on the lump to reduce swelling. It could just be some sort of swelling and nothing else.
Gail P November 27th, 2009, 10:09 PM Rain also had some lumpiness on the inside, before there was any sign of her rejecting the inner sutures. I think it was just from where the muscle layers are pulled back together. After being opened up of course everything's not nice and smooth like it was pre-op, it takes time for it to heal up again and for the sutures to dissolve. I would be more concerned if it was a soft fluid-filled swelling (infection?) than a firm lumpiness. Think of taking a piece of fabric, cutting it and then sewing it back together. There's going to be a seam there that is not as smooth as the original material. Difference between cutting fabric and spaying a dog/cat though is that with time the body can heal and return to it's original state or very close to it.
rainbow November 27th, 2009, 11:57 PM How is Mollie doing? :fingerscr :goodvibes:
Dee-O-Gee November 28th, 2009, 11:07 PM Sorry about being MIA for a couple days. :sad:
The blue veining on her stomach has disappeared but the hard spot next to the stitches is still there. :shrug:
On another note, Mollie felt it necessary to retire the E-Collar and had enough of it already! :frustrated:
60215
hazelrunpack November 28th, 2009, 11:39 PM Whoopsie! :o I'm sure that little :angel: Mollie didn't do that! She thought it was very fashionable...
Gryphon is too dignified and staid to have done it, either...
So that leaves....:cat:
:o
:laughing:
silly Mollie :dog: But half the Pack can relate and is barking her praises! :rolleyes:
Dee-O-Gee November 29th, 2009, 12:09 AM I bet the pack is barking their praises Hazel! :highfive: :highfive:'s all around! :D :D
I'm sure :cat: unsnapped the collar off Mollie's neck and said, "here ya go Mollie! Have a round with it. When you're done chewing, I'll make sure I put it somewhere they can...aahumm...can't find it!" :D :D
hazelrunpack November 29th, 2009, 12:12 AM I'm sure that's exactly how it went! :thumbs up Now go give Mollie and big hug and an apology for ever doubting her :angel:ness. :dog: :laughing:
growler~GateKeeper November 29th, 2009, 01:35 AM :laughing: did she actually manage all that while wearing it? :eek: :laughing:
ancientgirl November 29th, 2009, 12:26 PM Kiska was the last one I had spayed, and I remember she had a little hard spot for a while. The vet told me sometimes they get like a little scar inside but it goes away. It did and now she's got no bump.
Dee-O-Gee November 29th, 2009, 05:55 PM :laughing: did she actually manage all that while wearing it? :eek: :laughing:
Yeppers! I was at work and hubby left in the afternoon to go to work, so she had the cone on inside her crate. She must have wedged it somehow, got the snaps undone and had her go with it! :frustrated:
She's off to the vet tomorrow so we'll get the low down on how things are going. :pray:
I'm sure kitty was standing outside of the crate, egging her on Hazel! :D :D
14+kitties November 29th, 2009, 06:31 PM klm - Every single one of my girls I've had fixed in the last two years has had the hard lump. It's like GailP said, just the skin being pulled back together. It will eventually go away. Some take longer than others. In most of my girls it was gone within a month after being fixed. Hope that helps.
Frenchy November 29th, 2009, 09:43 PM but the hard spot next to the stitches is still there. :shrug:
don't worry about that , it's typical
On another note, Mollie felt it necessary to retire the E-Collar and had enough of it already! :frustrated:
:laughing: wtg Mollie :laughing:
Dee-O-Gee November 30th, 2009, 09:17 PM Mollie had her stitches taken out today. The incision has healed up nicely however; she will continue to be on Noroclav for another 3 days. The swelling/hardness has also subsided but I sure wish her rambunctiousness/rambunctiosity would also too! :frustrated:
I think we'll try a short walk tomorrow night. :shrug: Suppose to snow tomorrow so I'm looking forward to her seeing her first sightings! :lightbulb:
Frenchy November 30th, 2009, 09:40 PM Suppose to snow tomorrow so I'm looking forward to her seeing her first sightings! :lightbulb:
Prepare for some zoomies !! :crazy: let the girl run , she's stitches free now :thumbs up
Dee-O-Gee November 30th, 2009, 10:15 PM Prepare for some zoomies !! :crazy: let the girl run , she's stitches free now :thumbs up
I think she's ready (and Gryphon at that) to rip and roar. I hope the snow that they're calling for tomorrow will allow me to take them to the park and let them have at it! :thumbs up
Note to self...must bring the camera! :thumbs up
hazelrunpack December 1st, 2009, 12:03 AM She's gonna do the vacuum cleaner thing if the snow is deep enough--running along with her nose just under the surface! :laughing: That's always so hilarious, but I've always forgotten to have the video camera ready for the first snow :o
:highfive: on getting her stitches out! She must be sooooooo happy! :D
Dee-O-Gee December 1st, 2009, 06:41 PM Mollie had her first bout with snow this morning! :lightbulb:
She bounced out to the back porch and stopped suddenly and curiously looked outside at the "white stuff". She tippy toed at first, then she did the vacuum cleaner thing! :D
After a few minutes, she got use to it and started rip roaring around the yard. When she cornered her run, she would lose her footing and go sliding in the snow!
Lastly, she came full tilt back to the porch and where she would normally stop sudden on the cement step pad, however; she slid straight off and crashed into the wheelbarrow! :laughing: :laughing: (she didn't hurt herself--thank dawg!)
Unfortunately, I didn't have my camera readily available cause I was out in the porch in my p.j.'s and housecoat and buckled down from laughing at her. :D :D
What a hoot it was! :crazy:
hazelrunpack December 1st, 2009, 08:46 PM No camera?!?!?!?!?! :yell: :cry:
|