Am I Pregnant

My 10 month old Mini Dachshund came in heat 30 days ago. I understand the heat lasts about 21 days. I had her protected for the whole time, except for about 2 hours on the 18th day, waiting for her panties to dry. My male made contact and they tied up. What are the chances she was not fertile? :confused:
If she is pregnant she should have the puppies by Aug. 4th.

Personally I would def reccomend you take her to the vet and have her spayed, if she is pregnant, they can abort the puppies at the same time. Do not need anymore unwanted puppies. It is also for her safety. Small dogs have alot higher chance of needing c- sections, and they come out to at least 1800$ up......

Really only a vet can give you an answer. I would suggest going asap.

Is your dog a champion? If not, you should spay your dog, then you wouldn't have to worry about the heat cycles the same, and you also wouldn't have to coop up your doggie for months at a time. . . .

This is a very pro Spay and Neuter board, and it does not look highly on Back Yard Breeding (BYB). . .be prepared for many similar comments to mine. . . .

(BTW, Welcome to the board! :D :D :D )

Sorry, just re read that post....OMG only 10 months...you have to have her spayed, her body is not capable of taking care of puppy's. She is still a baby.....Please do the right thing by her. Not only can it cost her her puppies, if goes to full term, can also cost her her own life.....PLEASE have her spayed NOW

Sorry, just re read that post....OMG only 10 months...you have to have her spayed, her body is not capable of taking care of puppy's. She is still a baby.....Please do the right thing by her. Not only can it cost her her puppies, if goes to full term, can also cost her her own life.....PLEASE have her spayed NOW

quoted for truth!


Help your puppy! :pawprint: :pawprint:

She was bred by your other dog at her most fertile time. She is most likely pregnant. Please have her checked by a vet and consider having her spayed before the puppies are due.

10 months is very young. First a visit to the vet is definitely called for - and if she is pregnant - personally I would have her spayed right then resulting in an abortion of course. You did not say what type of dog the male is. If he is also a mini Dachshund, you will need to consider his age and especially if he has experienced any Dachshund disc disease. If he has, that alone would make the decision for me. At 10 months it is a little early for your female to be exhibiting symptoms of the disease, but there are extreme cases - my first mini exhibited serious symptoms being at 1 year. I am a serious expert on Dachshund disc disease and that pain and heartbreak involved by the dog and Mommy. There are many, many mini Dachshunds being put to sleep or given up to Rescues due to the back problem. I note that you have 4 dogs - perhaps you have been through this? If not, please check with your vet. Dogs of my heart. I hope she is not pregnant. If she isn't, pleased get her spayed. I get a little emotional about Dachshunds.

The only way to know for sure is to have a vet check and that should be done as soon as possible.
She is just a baby, most breeders would not consider breeding before the age of 2 years old, allowing the dog to fully mature and then only when all the medical tests and showing is done.
If she is pregnant, the vet will advise you as to the choices you have.

Personally, I would talk to the vet about aborting the puppies but the only way that could be done safely (IMHO) is to have her spayed.

Before jumping all over you I think there is more info that we need.

Is she going to be shown ( I don`t know if you can have a champion at 10 mos old someone correct me if I am wrong here.)
Is your male going to be shown or already a champion stud with all the genetic testing completed.

Do you plan on breeding her in the future if she is going to be shown and gets her championship title?

It would be dangerous for her to have a litter this early in life and small breeds do run into complications during labor.

You are new here so I think maybe all of the members here should remember the poll that is going on right now and even if this again infuriates you, don`t be rude, we have a new member here looking for answers, flame throwing will not help the situation.

A visit to your vet will answer your questions as to whether or not she is pregnant. It will cost you some money to find out and so will aborting the puppies, however, letting the pregnancy continue in such a young dog not only endangers your litter of puppies but also your female. I don`t think you would want to lose her and the puppies.

Please take your baby to the vet and get some answers and come back to let us know what your vet and you decide.

For all the other posters to this thread, play nice now and help this newbie out with some positive advice please.

Hopefully she will take the first and foremost important advice and see a vet. Please come back and let us know what happend, and if she was indeed PG. But the vet will be the only one who can tell you for a fact that she is or is not PG. Then you can work from there.

don`t be rude, we have a new member here looking for answers, flame throwing will not help the situation.

Who is "flame throwing"? I see good advice that a 10 month puppy should not be having puppies herself, that it's very risky and that she should be aborted.

Someone who cannot keep her intact male from tying with her puppy who is in heat is not likely to be heavily involved in showing, the breed, or dogs in general.
Even if this puppy is show quality/champion, she is way too young to breed and it's highly doubtful that the male is a champion as well, so aborting is really the only solution to this.

I do not mean that as anything other than a statement of fact.

Lucky I didn`t see any YET but it does happen and after being at the SO many rude people thread and poll, I didn`t think a friendly reminder would hurt.

AngelEyes has started a thread that really speaks volumes about this site and the members on it.
No one should be afraid to post questions or suggestions here but from the poll there are wayyyyy too many who feel that they can`t.
I just want this new person to get some answers and not be another one that was scared off when people here decided to jump all over her.
One thing I strongly agree on here is that this puppy is way too young to be having a litter. Her vet should be able to explain her choices to her , as long as she goes to the vet.
Hopefully she will, and everything will work out for the best. :fingerscr

I agree with what everyone is saying. We understand that you are new and looking for help- we want to help. Since aborting and spaying is the general consensus we ask you to PLEASE take our opinion into consideration. It's not just to avoid bringing more byb puppies into the world (which will take home away homes for homeless puppies) but a 10 month old is not mature enough to take care of puppies. A bitch should not be mated until she is 2 years old. It can also cost your puppy it's life.

Please consider our comments....we do want to help! :)

I agree terminate the litter, it will be safer and healthier for your dog and the puppies.

This could be a very very difficult birth and she may not even want to nurse them...

Two intact dogs in the same house :eek:

She is large for a Mini. She weighs about 14 lbs, not registered and not for show. The male dachshund is smaller than her by about 3 lbs. He's 5 yrs old and in excellent health. I want puppies, that's why I got a female. I know I am at fault for letting this happen, but it's my first experience with dogs in heat. I've always had males. I had noticed that she was not letting the male get near her and it seemed he had lost interest. About 3 days prior to this incident, he had lost interest in her and if he did sniff her, she would snap at him and get away. I feel really bad and yes I am going to take her to my vet. I have insurance on her as well as the rest of my dogs, so price is no object. No, I wont have her spayed unless it's the last resort. I have a very good vet and I know she will help me out. I was hopeing someone here would tell me she probably wasn't fertile, wishful thinking I guess. Thank you so much for your replies, looking forward to more.

We know you want puppies... so do I! Who doesn't? However, I know about what is going on in the world and know it is just immoral to breed puppies that aren't show/champion dogs because that would make me a backyard breeder and I wouldn't want to add to the problem.

It seems as though you have your mind made up- and I hope that isn't so. We aren't going to jump on you for your choices but we will tell you if we disagree... so don't take it the wrong way.

You will be bringing puppies into the world that may have serious health problems- have they both been professionally tested (not by a vet)? What will you do with them when they get older? Spay neuter contracts? Will you take the puppies back at any age? You can't even give them out with papers, or health guarantees! When a buyer asks what genetic problems have you faced with your dogs, what will you say? How will you find GOOD homes? Anyone who knows about dogs will think it is in poor judgement that you mated your bitch at 10 months... and she may not even take care of the puppies. Are you ready to sit up with formula every two hours for over a month? Do you plan on making money off of the pupppies? No reputable breeder does! They are lucky if they break even. Your dogs will be much healthier spayed and neutered as well. Will this be your only litter? If not how often do you plan to breed?

There is so much more to know!

We know you didn't mean for this to happen now- and it shouldn't have. Again, don't take this as me jumping on you... these are just questions that matter and I do hope we hear back from you!!!! :D

I'm confused...

You want puppies, do you mean you want to breed puppies from these two eventually or you want to adopt puppies ?

Neither of them are for show? Yet neither of them are altered. Your male is 5 yrs old, why is he not altered and why isn't this 10 mon old altered?

It sounds like you do want to breed these two dogs, is that correct?

you are risking your females health following through if she is PG, can you really live with yourself if something happens to her. I know I could not

I'm confused...

You want puppies, do you mean you want to breed puppies from these two eventually or you want to adopt puppies ?

Neither of them are for show? Yet neither of them are altered. Your male is 5 yrs old, why is he not altered and why isn't this 10 mon old altered?

It sounds like you do want to breed these two dogs, is that correct?

Yes, that is what epundt is saying. She bought a female specifically to breed her 5 year old male. Nothing was said about epundt adopting puppies... this is all about the ones she owns.

Oh yeah, I just reread your post- if she went into heat then she is fertile- just like humans.

LOL humans don't ovulate at the same time as they bleed unless they have a cycle under 14 days...

Please do what is right for the dog. Puppies are cute, but at what expense are you willing to have them? There is a ton of advice here, please read it all carefully.

(too bad there's no "doggy morning after" pill...)

LOL humans don't ovulate at the same time as they bleed unless they have a cycle under 14 days...

Please do what is right for the dog. Puppies are cute, but at what expense are you willing to have them? There is a ton of advice here, please read it all carefully.

(too bad there's no "doggy morning after" pill...)


LOL!! NO prin!! ha ha ha I meant once they get it they are fertile!! LOL, my bad... that came out wrong!!

Waiting clarification from the OP

I had noticed that she was not letting the male get near her and it seemed he had lost interest. About 3 days prior to this incident, he had lost interest in her and if he did sniff her, she would snap at him and get away.
The reason she was not interested and snapping at him is that she was not ready to accept him. It is very late in the heat cycle that the female accepts the male. The end of the heat cycle is the critical point, not the beginning. Just want to clarify that so that it is understood for other OP's and yourself.

Hope she comes back at let us know what she decided to do

She is large for a Mini. She weighs about 14 lbs, not registered and not for show.
Which means she is not a prime example of the breed and should therefore not be bred. BTW, a 14lb Dachshund is still a small dog and is still subject to the same whelping problems as all other small-breed dogs. If you don't terminate this pregnancy, prepare yourself for a costly c-section and the very real possibility of losing your dog and her puppies.

If you want to become a breeder, you should find a good, reputable breeder first. Team up with them, ask them to be your mentor. Spend the next several years learning everything you can about the breed, about animal husbandry, about genetics, about the show ring and other championship events. Get yourself a show-quality pup and show her to several championships. Then, maybe, you'll be ready to try breeding, and only with your mentor by your side the whole time.

Good luck to you and your puppy - I really mean that.

My 10 month old Mini Dachshund came in heat 30 days ago. I understand the heat lasts about 21 days. I had her protected for the whole time, except for about 2 hours on the 18th day, waiting for her panties to dry. My male made contact and they tied up. What are the chances she was not fertile? :confused:
If she is pregnant she should have the puppies by Aug. 4th.

Evidently you didn't read my post. She was with 3 days of going out of heat when this happened. Oh, incidently, this is the most unfriendly forum I have ever been at, and I've been to alot. No, I love my dogs, they are my babies. I can't stand breeders because they tend to breed in more problems than breeding out problems. I know my male's background extensively and I know my female's also. I know that my male comes from small mini's and his prior puppies were small in stature. My female is of a larger stature mini mom and dad and so are her grandparents. I'm sure she won't have a problem having babies. I feel confident that if she is pregnant and if she has puppies, I may have to raise them. I wonder how many of you have insurance on your fur babies. You need to try and not be so judjemental of others in this forum. Try to be a little nicer.Bye, thanks for the info.

Whatever, I just hope that if she does not make it out of the delivery, you can live with the guilt............................................. ...

Evidently you didn't read my post. She was with 3 days of going out of heat when this happened. Oh, incidently, this is the most unfriendly forum I have ever been at, and I've been to alot. No, I love my dogs, they are my babies. I can't stand breeders because they tend to breed in more problems than breeding out problems. I know my male's background extensively and I know my female's also. I know that my male comes from small mini's and his prior puppies were small in stature. My female is of a larger stature mini mom and dad and so are her grandparents. I'm sure she won't have a problem having babies. I feel confident that if she is pregnant and if she has puppies, I may have to raise them. I wonder how many of you have insurance on your fur babies. You need to try and not be so judjemental of others in this forum. Try to be a little nicer.Bye, thanks for the info.

I have a HEFTY health insurance on my fur baby! :)

I don't think we were rude to you at all. The background of your dogs that you stated is not what was asked. It was regarding health background. Don't read into our questions as us probing you... we want to know this so we can help you with issues you may not know about.

I, too, have my animals insured. A lot of people on this board do, as a matter of fact. Yet others have opted to open bank accounts for their animals instead. What does that have to do with irresponsible breeding practices?

I'm sorry you feel slighted, but these are facts that you've been given, not opinions and conjecture. Do with them what you will. I only hope no one here has cause to say "I told you so" any time soon. :(

If you decide to go through and let your puppy have puppies of her own, when you go to adopt them out make sure you wait till they are a min of 8 weeks old and draw up an adoption contract and charge a fee for them. . ."free to good home" dogs often end up in puppymills and you wouldn't want that, now would you?

Do a search on the forum about adoption contracts or adoption fees.

Please consider what everyone has said. . . please do whats best for your puppy.

Let us know what you decide.

Obviously you intend on having these pups so please at least do a few things to ensure they are taken care of for life:

Please chip & tattoo all the pups in YOUR name so that if they ever show up at a shelter they can be returned to you.

Please have the pups spayed and neutered PRIOR to being sold so you can ensure that no more back yard bred dogs will occur.

After you have sold pups please make a donation to Dachshund rescue as they are inundated with dogs who come from back yard breeders.

Be responsible for the dogs you bred.

Perhaps I came on a little too strong and I'm sorry. But all I asked was:
#1 Could she have gotten preg. within the last 3 days of heat?

That's it. I didn't need a lecture in spaying. I know full well that is an option.
I didn't need to hear that I was adding to the unwanted puppy population.
My babies are my pets, bed partners, go everywhere with me. If my babies are not welcome then neither am I. I am not a back yard breeder. I don't intend to try to make money by selling them. I have friends that are just as strong and devoted dog lovers as I am that want a puppy if and when I have any. Her getting PG, (if she is) was purely an accident. She will be under a vet's expert care when and if the time comes for her to deliver. Spay is a last resort, and would not be too late up to the time of delivery. My babies go camping, fishing, and just riding in the boat with me, we like to explore, watch squirrels and rabbits and some time we chase them but never catch them. We love to cuddle, wrestle and we share lots and lots of kisses. All of them share my bed with my husband and me. I cook their food and make their treats. I have 2 mini dachshunds, 1 labrastray (spayed) and 1 chihuahua (neutered). Some of you have made me feel as though I'm the number one animal abuser. I'm 64 and have had dogs all my life. I have a pet cemetary in my yard with several of my babies that are now at the Rainbow Bridge waiting on me. I've rescued dogs from the pound and even strays dumped in the country where I live. If I have to, I'll keep the puppies my dogs give me.

Lucky rescue said: [B]Someone who cannot keep her intact male from tying with her puppy who is in heat is not likely to be heavily involved in showing, the breed, or dogs in general.

Lucky, this intact male is much smaller than this puppy. I live in a happy home, not a dog kennel. I had my puppy protected for almost 3 weeks and just for a short time she was not. It happened. When it did I held her head in my lap, talked to her and loved on her til it was over. I held my male's behind at the same time to keep him still. It was a long wait, but I stayed with them.

I still don't have a good answer. Could she have been fertile 3 days before she went out of heat? I guess I need to find a forum that is interested in just a loving pet and not show dogs.

Epundt, please, just let your vet decide if she is PG. Your last post suggests you have been a dog owner for many years, therefore, I'm sure you're aware just because she CAN get pregnant doesn't mean it's best for her or the pups at this tender young age of 10 months.

If you have a good vet, he/she will recomend what is right for her at this time.

Just found this thread now and sadly, I doubt this poster will return. She had her mind made up - she is breeding her dog, d*** the consequences for her puppy's health and life. I thought Writing for Fun said it best - gave her just excellent advice. It just was not what she wanted to hear. I hope her dog survives, sighhhhhhhhh!!! One could certainly challenge her comments about breeders about which she seemingly knows little but she thinks she does and I don't think - polite, not rude, whatevee way we deliver the news - she will listen. Many ppl think this is a pro breeding site and then go off in a huff when they discover it's not. Sadly, there is nothing we can do about this - other than change laws about breeding and then try to make sure they are followed, again easier said than done.

Sorry to sound so morose but in searching for some info last nite, I encountered several sites that DO promote breeding so eventually, some of these ppl may find what they want. That does not mean we should stop our own education and lobbying efforts however. :)

And as for the comment "No one should be afraid to post questions or suggestions here but from the poll there are wayyyyy too many who feel that they can`t. ". I am sorry but maybe it is my own experience on that thread - and the many emails I've recieved as a result of it (that restored my trust in people again after a very bad nite!), that thread is almost like a witch hunt for some. Emphasis on the for some. I now feel almost paranoid about posting and that's just ridiculous! I had to write letters of reference today and even there worried about what I was wrting until I talked to a friend who suggested I just be myself - and she is right, it has worked well for me thus far, lol And if there are some who choose not to like me, there is nothing I can do about that. C'est la vie.

Perhaps tho we should examine the reasons as to why ppl feel they are afraid to post and how that happened. Could they look within and ask what they are doing? God knows, I had to ask myself if I was doing anything wrong and the fact is I cannot change who I am. I can listen tho. In most instances, the answer lies somewhere in the middle.

Anyway - did not mean to hijack the thread - just tired of being paranoid. Angel, you probably meant well - I don't honestly know - but it just seems to have created upset ppl now afraid to post. (Or so they tell me). It is the people who are not responding to the thread - long time members who care about the site but do not want to become embroiled in some controversy. I wish I had followed the same advice. :crazy:

Your dog could very well be pregnant. Females in heat are normally fertile towards the middle to end of their heat, not at the beginning. Usually the discharge changes colour and only when she is fertile will she allow a male to approach. Otherwise she will fight them off.

She does need to see a vet. All pregnant females, regardless if they are a pet or a human, need a doctor's visit. A veterinarian will confirm whether she is pregnant and through an ultrasound will be able to determine how many pups she is carrying.

As for insurance on your dog. I too have pet insurance. Read your policy very carefully, many insurance policies do not cover pregnancies or aborting them. Many do not cover any medical issues/conditions arising from pregnancy either.

[QUOTE=epundt] I had my puppy protected for almost 3 weeks and just for a short time she was not. It happened. When it did I held her head in my lap, talked to her and loved on her til it was over. I held my male's behind at the same time to keep him still. It was a long wait, but I stayed with them.
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So you were present? Why not pull them apart instead of cuddling them while in the act?

I find this very disturbing. The thought of it irks me to the core.

Congrats, you helped stopped the daschund shortage. I mean, right now there are only 1744 unpapered daschunds up for adopting on petfinder. Luckily you have decided to breed more so that the 1745th adopter will have a chance to get one. :(

So you were present? Why not pull them apart instead of cuddling them while in the act?

I find this very disturbing. The thought of it irks me to the core.

Not that I agree with the situation, but can't you do some damage to the dogs if you pull them apart. I thought they kinda of got stuck together.

I could easily be wrong I don't know much about breeding at all.

Lizzie- that means she intentionally held her dog in place while she was being mounted- that kind of irks me too. Especially at the young age of this dog.

CK- I did mean well and I do not feel I caused people to be scared to post. If anything I brought up an issue many were scared to. I've heard way too many people say they were scared to post because they would get jumped on for their comments. Is that fair? IMO those comments should have been posted on the thread regarding it, however I feel you are paranoid for no reason. Nobody on this forum said they didn't like you! Even after the not so pleasant posts I received from you I have no hard feelings... perhaps you need to realize that.

I have to say you sound young to me.......................

I missed the part about her holding the pup, NOW I'M ALL P'O'D. :mad: She could have stopped it before it happened, In other words, she was hoping it would take and came here for congratulations? Where is the responsibility, redundant question, nevermind :mad:

[QUOTE=epundt] I had my puppy protected for almost 3 weeks and just for a short time she was not. It happened. When it did I held her head in my lap, talked to her and loved on her til it was over. I held my male's behind at the same time to keep him still. It was a long wait, but I stayed with them.
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So you were present? Why not pull them apart instead of cuddling them while in the act?

I find this very disturbing. The thought of it irks me to the core.

You could actually injure the dogs if you pull them apart once they are in the "tie". Breeders are usually present when they mate their dogs. They do this to make sure that the female or male doesn't panick and try to run or twist in a way that could injure either one. Because of this, many breeders will actually hold the male in place.

I still don't have a good answer. Could she have been fertile 3 days before she went out of heat? I guess I need to find a forum that is interested in just a loving pet and not show dogs.
I'm pretty sure I did answer you at the very beginning.

I missed the part about her holding the pup, NOW I'M ALL P'O'D. :mad: She could have stopped it before it happened, In other words, she was hoping it would take and came here for congratulations? Where is the responsibility, redundant question, nevermind :mad:


From reading her post I got the impression that she held them after she caught them in the act. We don't really know what happened. She could have held them before or after the deed had already begun. The post was not clear on this.

From reading her post I got the impression that she held them after she caught them in the act. We don't really know what happened. She could have held them before or after the deed had already begun. The post was not clear on this.

Yeah, it was unclear if it was before or during. Regardless, what is done is done... I just hope she takes our advice into consideration.

Did i miss something,she held the dogs together to have sex??????

Did i miss something,she held the dogs together to have sex??????
No no, she held the dogs in position while they had sex so that there was no chance of injury to either dog. At least, that is how I understood it.

Oh ok,well still not much better...

It's convenient this thread shows up after the thread about 'rude people' and so even more convenient the OP makes such references. Hmmmm
Wow what a coincidence.

I wonder who the OP actually is??

I think there are better ways to spend ones time then trying to stir up trouble.

Oh ok,well still not much better...
Pleading the 5th as I am practising kindness and diplomacy. :D

What is op???

Luba- Are you trying to infer that it's me? lol... or someone who posted in that thread??? I just want to make sure.

Well, no matter how you dress it up - breeding a 10 month old unregistered dog makes you a backyard breeder. Breeding an unregistered dog of any age is what backyard breeders do. RESPONSIBLE breeders know enough about the dogs they are breeding that they can tell you why the picked the bloodlines they did to produce puppies that are as free of genetic diseases as possible and a good representative of the breed.

I know of plenty of nice people who take great care of their pets who are still backyard breeders. Doesn't mean they are abusive, just means that they don't think about their dogs like most of the people on this forum.

What is op???

Original Poster

What BMD LOVER??

What BMD LOVER??
lol, meaning that I am unable to concur with you as I would have some rather unsavory additions for the OP to elaborate your comments. :)

oK I GOT IT,EVERYTHING IS GOING RIGHT OVER MY HEAD TODAY.... ;) ;)

Unfortunately if this pup is pregnant I'm certain her birthing won't be a very good one. Dachshunds have difficult births as it is..and it's such a shame as they are such remarkeable little dogs.

Distressing that more pups may be brought into this world for reasons other then to improve the breed.

Friends of mine in Dachshund rescue make numerous trips to the U.S and throughout Canada after mills have been raided. Sometimes 700 dachsunds from one mill. It's so sad and so horrible. There are many many of these dogs available for adoption.

Luba- Are you trying to infer that it's me? lol... or someone who posted in that thread??? I just want to make sure.

Luba, I am still curious as to what you were implying. Please enlighten all of us! Thanks!

I thought we cleared this up after you bombarded me in PM.

If you don't undertand it then it wasn't meant for you. You're pretty bent on pressing this further and like I said I'm not doing this little back and forth with you here as you wanted in PM.

OMG! What a liar! I sent you one PM asking you if you truly thought I would do something like that. You responded that it was clear enough to understand... I stated that it clearly wasn't and you said you wouldn't talk about it with me on PM. In that case post it on here! In front of everyone! What were you trying to imply?

Seriously Luba, I feel like I'm in Junior High School with a mean girl trying to start a rumor. If you weren't implying it was me you would have just said so!

I can't stand breeders because they tend to breed in more problems than breeding out problems.

This comes from what we call BACKYARD BREEDERS.And why is that?Cause these breeders do not have their dogs health and genetic tested/certified.THEY breed when their "bitch" comes into first heat.And not caring that it could be when they are 8,9 or 10 months old.They do NOT show/title their dogs.They are NOT of breed standard.They do NOT take into consideration as to what will happen to their YOUNG dog during birth.Even though it will result in DEATH.

A responsible breeder breeds to better the breed(wheww,say that 5 times when your drunk..LOL)..Their dogs are health and genetic tested/certified.They will S/N if they do not pass.They have champion/titled dogs.They have s/n and non-breeding contracts.They are NOT in it for the money since they don't make money.They have pedigree papers for each and every pup.They are tatooed/microchipped.They belong to a club of their breed.The NEVER EVER breed in the first heat or second.They will NOT breed before their "bitch" is 2.Most are into rescue.And belong to the club of their breed.All their pups are registered at birth.So is this the type of breeder you can't stand?Where did you get yours from?I have a funny feeling it was a BYB.You did say yours are not registered right?

You did not show your male to Champion,you have not had him health or genetic tested/certified.This is NOT done by your usual vet.And you have a 10 month old female,not registered so you definately can't show her,which you stated you didn't want to do.So I am so sorry to say this but YES,you are classified as a BYB.And I know I would NEVER buy a pup from a BYB.

Sorry guys,but I am NOT going to watch my P's and Q's when it comes to this situation.So if I sound rude,so be it.See with me,I can't stand whanna be breeders.Cause a responsibl,reputable breeder would NEVER come on this site to as this question.They would know better.And they would do EVERYTHING in their power to make sure their 10 month old PUP wouldn't get pregnant.

Here are some links you can look at epundt.

http://www.woodhavenlabs.com/breeding/breeder3.html

http://members.aol.com/wb3ivc/soyou.htm

http://www.ivkc.com/before_you_breed_your_dog.htm

http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Farm/5324/Responsible.html

http://www.geocities.com/Petsburgh/Fair/1901/chart.html

ENOUGH ALREADY!!!

Stop acting like children! My goodness - my children aren't this bad!

Just for the record... epundt is not me, I am not epundt. I don't even know what epundt means. I do not like someone implying I created another name to stir up drama on the board. Luba, say what you will- I just wish you wouldn't imply something such as that and expect people not to question you. I already asked Marko to check IP's. Thank you (yet another reason I find this board so unpleasant at times!)

That's it - I am done.