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Freedom of Information Act
I received this email today:
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Good job but keep calling these arse holes... Keep the pressure on and when in doubt say your calling on the media to investigate why you can't the info that you are entitled too. I will write too.
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Mfippa
City of Toronto
Requests for info: Here's the link http://www.toronto.ca/cap/index.htm Here the application: http://www.toronto.ca/forms/pdf/cs_c...correction.pdf Last edited by Dukieboy; November 9th, 2004 at 10:57 AM. Reason: add info |
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Maybe forward that to the media, as well. I'd be interested to see how they would handle it.
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Remember Wolkams or Walkams piece in the Star? He must have obtained the stats from the City
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Con...st969907626796 |
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I would pass this on to the media, anything else we can to help MB with his foot in mouth disease. Not giving information to us is against the law and the media will eat this up that only if you are pro ban will you get info.
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Just so we're clear, this was not my email; this is an email that I have received from someone else that has been vocally fighting this ban (set up the rally at Queen's Park)
I have passed your information on. |
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Statistics Canada posts all their statistics online. They are a little slow in putting them up (last I checked they had 2001 stats) but info is easy to find there.
I'm an internet slueth and can find anything if you let me know exactly what you want. For the freedom on information act, you need to call their freedoms officer or privacy officer, get info on how much it costs (most places like police etc charge a $5.00 processing fee which is allowed). Then, most places only allow one written request at a time, so you can't request more than one peice of info. They won't compile info for you either. i.e. if you want info on dog bites from the police, you have to ask for each individual report, not all reports of dog bites because they can't do that. Here's a link to the Act: http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/DBLaws/S...sh/90f31_e.htm For stats on dog licenses, stats canada might have it, otherwise you have to write to the privacy officer of the division that does dog licenses, and ask something simple as to how many dog licenses were issued, and what breeds were they. I just did a basic search on stats can website and nothing on dogs at all. Oh, and just to clarify, the IPC doesn't have anything to do with the freedom of information act. The IPC was set up in response to PIPEDA (The Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act). They are completly different. the IPC is set up so people have someone to complain to if their information is released without their consent, as all privacy consents must be under the PIPEDA legislation (sorry, I've had extensive training in these at work) |
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Thanks Raingirl!
I passed that information along to the person that wrote me the email because it says on their website; Quote:
![]() It says that under its statutory mandate they are responsible for : "ensuring that the government organizations comply with the access and privacy provisions of the Acts" I posted the email and the link in hopes that if others were trying unsuccessfully to reach the government for information that they could go there. I am having trouble navigating throught the StatsCan site, do you mind providing me with some of the links you found. Nice work Raingirl |
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No. The IPC doesn't make sure information is provided. They make sure that information that is private doesn't get released. Sorta the opposite.
The IPC is the place you go if you...say you signed a release to have the last 2 years of your medical records sent to a lawyer. If the doctor released 5 years instead of 2, you could appeal to the IPC and have them apply the provisions in the act and penalize the doctor. before the IPC was around (they have only existed since Jan 2004) you had no one in the government to turn to if your privacy was violated. now you can complain to the IPC and the investigate and lay charges in cases of privacy violation. Basically, the IPC takes complaints and tries to fix them. They will not look for info for you. I request stuff all the time, and you almost never get a response. You either get the info or you don't. Most of the time you do, but it can take a LONG TIME. I requested some police files, took them 7 months to even call me about it. |
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But what I mean is; this person that sent me the email stating that they had requested information from the government as they have every right to do and the government is refusing to comply - the IPC can help if they file a claim? The government is not complying with citizen's rights??
Not that IPC will get the information for a person, but look into why one is not receiving information that one is entitled to.. am I on the wrong track? |
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Actually the IPC has been around since the late 80s. And the IPC does ensure information is provided, they also make orders that direct government to respond to requests and release information after requests have been denied.
The Act the requests you are looking for are covered under is the Municipal Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Act, at this link, not the one provided earlier in the topic: http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/DBLaws/S...sh/90m56_e.htm The one raingirl posted covers the Provincial government, not the City of Toronto or the Dept of Public Health. Quote:
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That's odd. When they told us about the Ombudsman through the IPC they told us it was new as of the PIPEDA legislation.
I guess I didn't understand what you meant. Based on what you said, then yes, I beleive the IPC can help your friend get the info. I was looking at the IPC website, did your friend complete the form on their site (the request form) and submit the fee first? I was reading some of the caselaw on their sites, and in most instances, the requests were too broad and thus they had to be broken down. Based on what your friend put in the letter above, she may have to specify "a breakdown of all dog licenses issued in 2003, including the dog breed" then do a separate request for "all records of dog bites". Problem is, who keeps the record of dog bites? OSPCA? Toronto Health? Then you need to find out who they report to, and ask them how to request that info. Some public info is exempt. For instance. I was ordering police records on a specific person. I can only get records which involve this person only, if they consent. If other people are involved, they have to consent as well. If you are requesting dog license info, they might not be able to release it withour a privacy consent from the license owner. |
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The link Dukieboy posted is correct, send in a request with a cheque for $5 and they will respond.
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Thanks for your information guys, I will pass it along.
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