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Old October 17th, 2004, 11:03 PM
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Unhappy problems with other pup. ..Ahhhh!!!

Gaby is doing very well, in fact, she seems really docile since the incident happened... She is even more protective of our baby than before. She won't let the other dog near him! I think it's cute, but I wonder why she is like this now?
On another topic, we are having trouble training the doberman... He will finish his food then head to the other side for Gaby's. He also ruined our couch by peeing on it twice. Any suggestions?

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Old October 18th, 2004, 01:14 AM
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quote'Sorry, Mel. I have to disagree with you a little on that one. We once knew a Dobi named Red Sun. Beautiful dog. And very well behaved. The family's toddler was able to approach him when he was chewing on a bone, take the bone from his mouth, play with him a little, and then walk away unscathed while Red returned to his bone. My previous dog, Murphy, was also that way with children'



sorry but that has freaked me totally out, W4F are you seriously saying that you allow small children to approch your dog and take food from it, or you would allow a toddler to approach a big dog such as a rottie and take its food?? and do these children understand that you cannot do that with other dogs?? i teach the kids to stay away from her, yes she is good girl but i odnt want them thinking that all dogs are like charlie and they can take their food away. when i teach the kids about charlie i am teaching them how to treat all dogs and how to respect all dogs and the different ways we communicate.

i personally would rather teach kids to respect my dogs space than have their faces torn off by another dog because they could do it with charlie, just imagine that little toddler who taks the bone from the rottie trying that with another dog, that to me spells disaster.. and i personally believe it is teaching the wrong thing and very irrisponsible, in my country such behaviour may get the parents in some serious trouble esp if a passser by or neighbor saw it.

and i am not on tenderhooks when she is feeding, she is in another area from the kids that the children cannot get to without me. and as any responsible carer knows, you should always know where you babies, toddlers and dogs are. it is against the law here to leave a child under 12yo alone with a dog and if anything happened i will be charged with neglect etc. these type of laws have reduced the incedence of dog attack on small children and are very effective.

and if you can teach a child the word 'no' that is how you start training a child to handle dogs. if my neice attempts to hurt my dog she gets a big no and a bit of a growling from us and is removed form the game for a few minutes. just like dogs she associates the action of hurting the animal with disaproval.

and when she was a crawling babe, charlie was by my side at all times as it is a legal requirement here and charlie is always with me anyway.

oh and my dog is very well trained and i trust her and she listens to me, but she is a dog which is still an animal.

so if you want your kids to be taking bones of big rotties go ahead, i just pray it does not go bad, as many of us know, it often doesnt matter till it really does matter.
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Old October 18th, 2004, 07:40 AM
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Melanie, I'm not suggesting that my children routinely remove food from my dog's mouth. I was only trying to make the point that I need to be able to trust my dog not to consider my children a threat.

We try to be there at all times, but in the split second that I might turn my back to answer the phone, I need to know that my dog will not object if the baby happens to crawl too closely.

I don't believe the dog should be separated while eating. Besides, we don't have that big of a house and it's of the "open concept", so putting up barriers while the dog is eating isn't really an option. And I don't like feeding her outside because it might attract unwanted attention from other critters (there are foxes and raccoons nearby, and a black bear was recently sighted as well ).

Obviously, if another dog is present, the kids and dogs are monitored 100% of the time, or else they are separated. My children understand the word "No", but that doesn't mean they listen to it all the time.
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Old October 18th, 2004, 07:43 AM
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Melanie,very well said
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Old October 18th, 2004, 08:54 AM
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I thought so too. Maybe you could post the Australian legislation on dog attacks, etc. I like that they charge the PERSON with not supervising any interaction between child and dog, that is exactly right. Maybe we could send a copy to Bryant...
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Old October 18th, 2004, 09:10 AM
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So you think that Debbie and Fred (the original poster) should be charged with negligence?
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Old October 18th, 2004, 05:36 PM
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i never said that, and that is not my descision or my issue to judge, that is why we have laws, it is up to the courts to decide that.

i will find a copy of the act today for you guys to look at.

W4F i do understnad what you are saying, i trust charlie and know she would never hurt the kids without great cause, she has been round lots of littlies in her life. but when the kids around i like her to eat alone for all safety and so she can eat in peace without hurrying it. and i know she really appreciates it, i jsut wihs someone would lock me away from the kids too
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Old October 21st, 2004, 09:38 AM
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I am new here but had to make a reply.
I figure some are going to agree and some won't.
Your pup does definately need training.
I have a 4 month old pup and anyone at anytime can go up to her while she's eating anything and can take it away from her.
From the day we got her at 8 weeks, she was taught that she is the lowest on the totem pole.
Humans decide when and where and what she eats.
I want a very well behaved adult dog that will be welcome wherever I go.Be it the park, a store or a friends.
Every time she was fed, from the first feed ing on (only occasionally now) someone would put their hands near her food while she was eating and pet her and praise her.We would put our fingers in her food bowl and act like we were stirring it with our fingers.We walk by and pet her while shes eating.We would pick the bowl up and then praise her and give the food back and praise her.
A dog has to be safe in ALL situations, especially with children.
When company came I would have them go over and pet her while she ate. Same routine for chew toys and bones.
A family pet has to be safe no matter what.
I don't belive in leaving a dog alone because its eating.Humans gave the food, humans can remove the food.Dog has to accept this arrangement.
I will not, under any circumstances abide a biting dog. Your pup will probably be fine with training.I wouldnt even consider putting it to sleep at this point.
Children, little children will be unpredictable.I agree, children have to taught acceptable ways to treat a dog, but the child is still alpha over the dog.
what if the puppy got a childs toy and the child went to take it back?
Good luck with training and it is a problem that can be fixed.
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Old October 26th, 2004, 09:16 AM
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bigdawgluver ....I totally agree with your statements, but children should non the less be taught to never do this with strange dogs!! Not everyone trains their dogs in this manner (although I think they should) and that's when "accidents happen".

Another trick is to measure out the dogs dinner and have the child put about 1/4 at a time in his bowl when it is gone next 1/4.....this teaches puppy that child is alpha to them and must rely on them for food

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