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Old June 14th, 2010, 10:59 PM
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Question RE: excessive hunger. Nanook is a piggy!

Don't know if anyone can help with this question, but I'm hoping so! The Vet is closed, or I'd call her again. Nanook is on steroids (Prednisone 50mg). He also is on Clyndamyacin and another antibiotic for Round Worms and Giardia. He has had a huge appetite since we first got him. The vet advised we can feed more than the suggested feeding on the bag, which we do. It suggests 4 1/4 cups a day, we feed him about 5.5. I know his appetite is increased due to the problems he has and the steroids, but it's insane! We will feed him, then not 10-15 minutes later he is camping by the pantry, howling, scratching and trying to get in. We give him treats (fibre cookies and raw carrots) but it doesn't seem to help. The last 2 nights he has woke me up every hour or so howling and wanting to eat. He will not go back to sleep until he has something, then will do the same thing all over again. I'm exhausted and don't have a clue what to do! I know it isn't "normal" behaviour, but could it be considered normal due to the circumstances? Should we be feeding him more? He just finished the worm and Giardia meds tonight, was on a 5 day course. ANY help would be greatly appreciated!!

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Old June 14th, 2010, 11:06 PM
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Until the vet lets you know what might be causing the excessive hunger, perhaps you can mix his kibble with some wet food (yogurt, peanut butter, unsalted cottage cheese, cheez whiz, baby food, etc), stuff into Kongs, throw into the freezer, and then feed it to him frozen. It should keep him pretty busy and take quite a bit longer to eat. You're going to have to invest in 2 or 3 extra large size ones though. Maybe the longer process of eating will satisfy his hunger somewhat.
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Old June 14th, 2010, 11:09 PM
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I suspect it's the pred, Robyn. It stimulates both the appetite and drinking. Unfortunately, I don't have any advice for getting you some sleep When Evan was on pred, it wasn't the hunger so much, but the excessive peeing that kept us up. He had to go out to pee at least every two hours, sometimes even more frequently. The best thing we came up with was to rotate nights--one of us would sleep in the living room with Evan and let him out as needed, the other would get the bed and a good night's sleep. Next night we'd switch. You still end up short on sleep, but at least you're getting some rest on your night 'off'.

I wouldn't feed him any more total volume, but it might help if you spread the amount he's getting now into smaller more frequent feedings. It'll take him a day or two to get used to the new schedule and he may cry at first thinking he's not getting his full meal, but he'll figure out that more is coming soon and settle into the new schedule.

How soon do you think you'll be able to start weaning him off the pred?
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Until the vet lets you know what might be causing the excessive hunger, perhaps you can mix his kibble with some wet food (yogurt, peanut butter, unsalted cottage cheese, cheez whiz, baby food, etc), stuff into Kongs, throw into the freezer, and then feed it to him frozen. It should keep him pretty busy and take quite a bit longer to eat. You're going to have to invest in 2 or 3 extra large size ones though. Maybe the longer process of eating will satisfy his hunger somewhat.
That's a great idea, too!
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Old June 14th, 2010, 11:11 PM
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Until the vet lets you know what might be causing the excessive hunger, perhaps you can mix his kibble with some wet food (yogurt, peanut butter, unsalted cottage cheese, cheez whiz, baby food, etc), stuff into Kongs, throw into the freezer, and then feed it to him frozen. It should keep him pretty busy and take quite a bit longer to eat. You're going to have to invest in 2 or 3 extra large size ones though. Maybe the longer process of eating will satisfy his hunger somewhat.
Thank you for the fast response luckypenny! We do give him probiotic yogurt (both dogs get a cup every night before bed with supplement powder). I did try the Kong stuffed with peanut butter last night, but the next 3 bowel movements he had were very runny/mucus. I don't know if it was the peanut better or just him being sick, but I was afraid to give him more. I guess maybe I'll try it again tonight. If it does the same thing, I'll know better for the next time
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Old June 14th, 2010, 11:15 PM
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I suspect it's the pred, Robyn. It stimulates both the appetite and drinking. Unfortunately, I don't have any advice for getting you some sleep When Evan was on pred, it wasn't the hunger so much, but the excessive peeing that kept us up. He had to go out to pee at least every two hours, sometimes even more frequently. The best thing we came up with was to rotate nights--one of us would sleep in the living room with Evan and let him out as needed, the other would get the bed and a good night's sleep. Next night we'd switch. You still end up short on sleep, but at least you're getting some rest on your night 'off'.

I wouldn't feed him any more total volume, but it might help if you spread the amount he's getting now into smaller more frequent feedings. It'll take him a day or two to get used to the new schedule and he may cry at first thinking he's not getting his full meal, but he'll figure out that more is coming soon and settle into the new schedule.

How soon do you think you'll be able to start weaning him off the pred?

We feed him 3 times a day right now so he doesn't feel he is going so long without food lol, poor little guy. And yes, the pred makes him drink/pee alot more as well. Thank you for the advice, I'll take the shift tonight and let hubby have a break! He's been so good with taking care of the boys.

He's on 50 mg for another 2 days then goes down to 10mg for the next 2 weeks.
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Old June 14th, 2010, 11:18 PM
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Holy catz!! Yep, that's a big dose of pred!! Once he gets down to 10 mg, I think you'll see a big improvement!
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Ah, had no idea what a dose "should" be! But I guess it makes sense that it was a large one. She gave him a large shot, then put him on the pills. I think it was to reduce swelling in his brain/spinal cord. So 2 more days of the 50mg dose... ahhhh!

But at least it gives me something to look forward to in a few days!!
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Old June 14th, 2010, 11:31 PM
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It sounds like he's responding well to treatment (give or take a little lost sleep)! I'm so glad!
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I don't know if it was the peanut better or just him being sick, but I was afraid to give him more. I guess maybe I'll try it again tonight. If it does the same thing, I'll know better for the next time
You can mix his kibble with a good quality canned food or even make your own "mush" with some boiled meat and sweet potatoes and throw into a blender with some cooking water. You can feed him all his meals frozen out of a Kong. About 2/3 a cup fits into an extra large size Kong so you split up his meals to 6 frozen Kongs a day. That could keep him busy for hours and I promise he'll love you for it.
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Old June 14th, 2010, 11:38 PM
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You can mix his kibble with a good quality canned food or even make your own "mush" with some boiled meat and sweet potatoes and throw into a blender with some cooking water. You can feed him all his meals frozen out of a Kong. About 2/3 a cup fits into an extra large size Kong so you split up his meals to 6 frozen Kongs a day. That could keep him busy for hours and I promise he'll love you for it.
Oh!!! I wasn't thinking to put his meals in it! I'm going to try that tomorrow
He has a baby binky Kong and 1 large. I'll go pick up a couple more x-large ones tomorrow, I'm excited to try this! When we do feed him, it's gone within a couple of minutes. He's a ravenous eater. We had to get him a slow down bowl and it works a little, but I love the Kong idea!
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It sounds like he's responding well to treatment (give or take a little lost sleep)! I'm so glad!
He seems to be responding very well! He still throws little growling and what appear to be temper tantrum fits, but only a couple since he started the meds. He used to do it several times a day, growling and biting his tail and hind legs etc.

And I'll take the lost sleep anytime if it means he's getting better!!

When it's all over, I'll just sleep for a week
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Oh!!! I wasn't thinking to put his meals in it! I'm going to try that tomorrow
He has a baby binky Kong and 1 large. I'll go pick up a couple more x-large ones tomorrow, I'm excited to try this! When we do feed him, it's gone within a couple of minutes. He's a ravenous eater. We had to get him a slow down bowl and it works a little, but I love the Kong idea!
Don't forget to freeze them with the food in it, ok? Let him have one or two unfrozen so he gets the hang of it at first. The rest give frozen.

Oh, and we want pics of him enjoying them too .
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Don't forget to freeze them with the food in it, ok? Let him have one or two unfrozen so he gets the hang of it at first. The rest give frozen.

Oh, and we want pics of him enjoying them too .
Most definitely!! I can't wait to try it lol. And I'll make sure the camera is handy, he's such a ham! I'll add them to the album. And ty both again for the great suggestions!!

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Yay! We get pics!

for continued improvement! And when it's all over you'll deserve a week off to sleep!
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Will have to wait until tomorrow to try out the Kongs and get the piccies. I spoke with the vet clinic this morn, we have to starve the baby for 24 hrs! They want his intestinal/gut tract to "reset" and then put him on Gastro wet food for the course of the clyndamyacin. But at least that will be easier to stuff and freeze. Poor little guy though, he was already soooo hungry, now he's going to be starving for sure!

Guess I'll have to make ALOT of popcorn and get some movies together. It's going to be a long, less night lol
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He's gonna try to steal your popcorn

How long will he be on the clindamycin?
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I'm sure he will try
He will be on it for another 8 days at least. She only put him on for 2 weeks, but most of what I have read says it takes anywere from 6 weeks to 18 weeks for Neospora. She hasn't said if she putting him on another after he's done with this one. Maybe a lower dose? Guess we'll find out!
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She's maybe waiting to see how well he tolerates it. It can be pretty hard on the tummy. he won't need it for 18 weeks!
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