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Old December 24th, 2009, 02:13 PM
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Is Bloat curable in dogs?

Hi all, I'm very sad to say Hunter was suddenly struck with Bloat last night and I rushed him to the emergency vet.

They were able to untwist his stomach using a needle to remove the gas and then insert a tube down his throat. The follow up x-ray indicated things were back where they belonged.

I have him scheduled for surgery on Jan 7th to have his stomach attached to his chest wall. Forget what the procedure is called - as you can imagine I'm rather exhausted after taking him to the vet at 2:30 in the morning.

I communicated with my breeder and she suggested that Bloat isn't always curable even with the surgery so I thought before I spend the $2500 for the surgery I would ask here what people thought about the topic. If he has to go in for emergency again, we will likely have to put him down cause I don't have the $5000 the emergency vets wanted.

I'm so devastated with this news since getting Hunter, he and I have gone through obedience training and tracking training and we are really great together. I was hoping to get him to the point where he could do search and rescue.

Keep in mind I know if its an emergency to get him in ASAP. I've done that already. Just don't know where to go from here.

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Old December 24th, 2009, 03:03 PM
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Oh, Norm I'm sorry you're going through this!

I don't know what the percentages are, but I do know that the surgery can be quite successful. Bloat by itself can be manageable if it recurs, and the surgery, if successful, eliminates the torsion that can be so dangerous.

I'd sit down and have a long talk with the vet as soon as you can about the surgery and what you can expect afterward. If you can talk to him in the next week, that will still give you a few days to make your decision.

for Hunter!
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Old December 24th, 2009, 03:48 PM
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Hello,

I agree totally with hazelrunpack

I would recommend the gastropexy on Hunter. Although no surgery, or procedure for that matter is "guaranteed", I feel you will be happy with your decision to perform surgery. I have performed many prophylactic gastropexies on Great Dane puppies during their spay for example and (touch wood), none of these dogs have presented with a GDV (twisted stomach).

As hazelrunpack said, I most definitely confirm with your vet that Hunter did in fact have a twisted stomach. Or was it just bloat? I can say the gastropexy will prevent the stomach from twisting again, but will not prevent it from bloating.

I hope this helps

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Old December 24th, 2009, 04:40 PM
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Thank you to both of you for responding on Christmas eve no less.

According to the paperwork I got there was a twist - "An abdominal radiograph confirmed that a twisted, bloated stomach was present (gastric dilation and volvulus)."

So I'm definitely prepared to go ahead with the gastropexy to prevent it from happening again. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't a futile attempt to extend his life. He is only 2 years old.

So you say the bloat can come back - what would cause that? I thought the bloat was a result of the torsion - in that there was a build up of gases trapped from the twist?

Hunter is one tough dog - he barely whimpered and showed that he was in pain and he must have been by the size of the stomach. If it wasn't for the other dog in the house alerting us and Hunter's restlessness, I'm sure he would have been gone by morning.

He's been put on antibiotics (cephalexin) and a gastroprotectant (Sulcrate).

EDIT: when should I expect him to show interest in food again? I know I should give him 4 small meals about a 1/4 cup in size of rice and hamburger (4 to 1 ratio) but he has no interest in it right now.

Thank you again.
Norm

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Old December 24th, 2009, 10:39 PM
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So you say the bloat can come back - what would cause that? I thought the bloat was a result of the torsion - in that there was a build up of gases trapped from the twist?
Bloat is generally caused by:
- eating a large meal
- drinking large quantities of water at once
- exercising within 1-2 hours of eating
or a combination of the above

Basically what happens is the stomach fills with gas or fluids, swells, then it twists (while swollen) and this cuts off the blood supply to the rest of the body including the heart causing shock, tissue damage & circulation problems. You & Hunter were very lucky it was noticed in time

You will need to continue with the smaller more frequent meals regardless of whether you have the surgery done or not, try to limit the amount of water Hunter drinks all at once (don't withhold water but allow for rest while drinking in smaller portions like the meals), restrict excerise 2 hours before and after meals.

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Old December 25th, 2009, 12:18 AM
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Here is what Linda Arndt (the great dane lady) has to say ....

http://www.greatdanelady.com/article...ropexy_htm.htm
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Old December 25th, 2009, 07:17 AM
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Thank you Rainbow for the link! There is so much information there it can be a bit overwhelming. I will read it all -- and consider it all at this point.

Hunter ate food for the first time this morning! Yay!

Hunter is on an antibiotic right now too. Should I consider adding Forte Flora to his small meals? My other dog had that when he was put on antibiotics by our regular vet. I'm just thinking that rice and hamburger might not have some of the things his gut needs right now.

Thanks everyone -- and Merry Christmas.

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Old December 27th, 2009, 06:31 PM
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It is with great sadness I must report that Hunter and I lost the battle against GDV. He passed away this morning around 7am.

Rest in peace my friend - you are missed.

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Old December 27th, 2009, 06:48 PM
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Oh Norm, I'm so sorry. My heart truly goes out to you.
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Old December 27th, 2009, 06:49 PM
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Norm I am so sorry for your loss! Please know that Hunter is running free of pain at the Rainbow Bridge waiting with those that have gone on before!


http://www.indigo.org/rainbowbridge_ver2.html

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Oh, Norm, I'm so sorry Hunter was a very lucky boy to have had you to love him.

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Old December 27th, 2009, 09:42 PM
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OH NO, I am so very sorry to hear about Hunter :sad: .....my sincerest condolences to you.
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Old December 29th, 2009, 07:18 PM
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Thanks everyone. It hasn't been an easy few days. Thanks for the link to the Rainbow Bridge.

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Old December 29th, 2009, 07:21 PM
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Sorry about Hunter, Norm I use to have a German Shepherd crossed with a Bernese mountain dog. He got bloat at 5 years of age his stomach never twisted but we did have the gastropexy done on him a few days later and he lived another 4 and a half years until he developed bone cancer and was pts. It is so hard to loose a best friend he has been gone 6 years and it still breaks my heart..My dog bloated when we were traveling and might have been because he was a nervous dog as he had no food or water to make this happen, so its hard to say what causes bloat. I know the after effects of the torsion can kill a dog too, ours was lucky that he hadn't gone that far. Just know in your heart you did all you could for him. My thoughts are with you
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