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Old October 14th, 2009, 09:05 AM
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Dog stuck in crate highlights rare risk of spot-on flea treatment

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October 7, 2009 By: Edie Lau For The VIN News Service

A veterinarian presented with a peculiar case of a poodle stuck in its crate last week traced the problem to the pet's spot-on flea treatment.

Residue from the product Advantage, which was applied between the poodle's shoulders, somehow came in contact with the plastic base of the animal's crate, dissolving the plastic and causing it to adhere to the dog's belly.

When the dog wouldn't come out of its crate the next morning, its concerned owner brought the dog, crate and all, to Dr. Tej Dhaliwal of North Town Veterinary Hospital in Ontario, Canada. Following two hours of sleuthing, Dhaliwal concluded that benzyl alcohol, an inactive ingredient in Advantage, was to blame.

Bayer Animal Health, maker of Advantage, acknowledged that the flea treatment was the likely culprit and offered to pay the owner's veterinary bill, compensate him for loss of salary and replace the crate, Dhaliwal said.

Bob Walker, a spokesman for Bayer in the United States, confirmed that Advantage contains benzyl alcohol, which reacts with certain plastics. He said he consulted with colleagues in veterinary services and was told, "We know it can happen, but we've never seen it."

Walker said a lead veterinarian in the department thought that most of the veterinary community was aware of the potential for the product to react with plastic. Walker said that he personally had not heard of such a thing before. He added, "My counsel would be, if you're not aware, you need to be aware."

The incident certainly surprised Dhaliwal, a practitioner for 13 years, who posted his experience in an online discussion board of the Veterinary Information Network (VIN). Some veterinarians said they were familiar with the potential for the product to damage plastic, but many were astonished by the news.

Dhaliwal said the owner of the dog, a 15-year-old poodle mix, had applied Advantage to the dog before bedtime. He speculated that the dog rolled over in the crate before the liquid pesticide dried. Presumably, residue of the product made contact with the plastic floor of the crate, causing the plastic to dissolve and "glue" the dog in place overnight.

Dhaliwal noted that the dog had been unable to eat, drink or relieve itself for 15 hours by the time he managed to free it with a tool normally used to scrape excess plaster from drywall.

The white dog had a patch of dark gray plastic about 6 inches by 4 inches stuck to its fur. Following the advice of representatives at Bayer, Dhaliwal said, he removed the remaining plastic using the contents of another two tubes of Advantage. Once freed, the dog was fine.

From the start, the dog's owner suspected that the Advantage was to blame, Dhaliwal said. The veterinarian figured some chemical was involved but wasn't sure what. At first, he applied regular alcohol to the plastic base, to no effect. Then he tried a tube of Advantage. The plastic liquified almost instantly, and his gloved hand stuck to the plastic.

Photographs snapped with his iPhone show a puddle of liquid across the bottom of the crate. Dhaliwal said one tube containing .5 cc of product covered half the crate base; he speculated that the plastic, as it dissolved, perpetuated the chemical reaction.

According to a Material Data Safety Sheet for benzyl alcohol posted at www.sciencelab.com, the compound "can extract and dissolve polystyrene plastic and may attack other plastics."

The chemical is in wide use, found in hundreds of cosmetic formulations including baby toiletries, mascaras, hair dyes and skin care products, according to the article "Benzyl Alcohol Allergy: Importance of Patch Testing Personal Products," published Feb. 15, 2006, in the journal Dermatitis.

Its function in topical preparations is as a preservative, solvent, anesthetic and/or to decrease viscosity, the article states.

Walker at Bayer said the company veterinarian he consulted speculated that benzyl alcohol is found in a variety of spot-on flea treatments besides Advantage. However, it's not possible to determine which products contain the compound by reading their labels, as manufacturers are not required to list inactive ingredients.

Dale Kemery, a spokesman for the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), which regulates pesticides including spot-on pet parasiticides, said the agency is considering a new rule to require that manufacturers disclose pesticides' inert ingredients.

"This increased transparency will assist consumers and users of pesticides in making informed decisions and will better protect public health and the environment," Kemery said by e-mail. "The Agency anticipates publishing an Advance Notice of Proposed Rulemaking in the Federal Register within the next few months."

Kemery also encouraged anyone aware of adverse reactions with an EPA-registered product to report the matter to the manufacturer and directly to EPA.

"Manufacturers of pesticide products are required to report to EPA information they receive about potential adverse effects of their products, but reporting to the EPA directly is beneficial because the data we receive from the manufacturers is aggregated by severity category, and the report of an individual incident that we receive directly may provide more details initially that could lead to a follow-up by EPA with the manufacturer," Kemery said.

Walker said Bayer officials in Canada examined the lot of Advantage used on the dog to check whether it contained an abnormally high concentration of benzyl alcohol but found nothing unusual.

Dhaliwal complimented Bayer for taking responsibility right away. "Obviously, this is something of ongoing concern," he added.

He said he plans to write a report on the incident and submit it to a professional journal in hopes of spreading the word. "This is something that everyone needs to know," he said.
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Old October 15th, 2009, 08:11 AM
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Wow, scary stuff, isn't it? In another forum I go on someone reported their dog lay on the hardwood floor (something the product specifically says to avoid for a couple of hours after application) and took the finish off the floor. This is way worse, poor pup.
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Old October 15th, 2009, 05:44 PM
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I dunno, that's weird. I almost want to say I don't believe it but I'm not going to. I use advantage at the shelter all the time. You would think something that could dissolve plastic would have some negative affects on me from all the times I've gotten it on my hands.

Either way, I still trust a few select spot ons. Advantage & Advantage Multi are fine in my book. Not a fan of Advantix 'cause permethrin scares me a bit.

This is just such a strange story. A total freak accident if you ask me. Can't tell you how many times I've applied spot-ons to cats and dogs who then went back into plastic crates.
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Old October 15th, 2009, 08:22 PM
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Someone on the agility bark list gave up using it some years ago when the dog shook post application a few spots hit the wall and the paint melted. More and more people seem to have similar stories they've never talked about till this article was printed.
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Old October 16th, 2009, 08:48 AM
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It's not just pet products that melt plastic, I've seen bug repellents meant for human use melt plastic too. Drops on a plastic toilet seat melted holes, spray on bug repellent ruined the finish on one of my riding helmets and equine fly repellent also ruined the rubber rings in my side reins. A guy I worked with years ago told me that bug repellent also melted the earpieces on his glasses and he was really ticked off since they were some specialized ones he got to stay on when doing rolls while kayaking.
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Old October 16th, 2009, 06:27 PM
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bug repellents meant for human use melt plastic too.
Probably the DEET component which can be up to 98% in some. On another board someone suggested using bug dope on the leash to stop a puppy biting it. SCARY. http://www.naturalnews.com/001586.html a link to the hazards of DEET.

You would think something that could dissolve plastic would have some negative affects on me from all the times I've gotten it on my hands.
A common misconception is that people think they should see some kind of a reaction. It might not melt your skin but it is being absorbed into your body through your skin. Over time many things can build up in your body. If I was using that stuff at work I would wear gloves. (I wonder if it melts rubber gloves?) I would check to see if there is a Hazardous Materials Fact Sheet for it. I would google every ingredient to see what the damage might be. I would check with my boss and the Vet School near me. I would check the package and the company that makes the stuff. Putting it on one pet is bad enough but since you are handling more than one pet you could be getting a bigger dose over time than they are. Don't be complacent, guard your health.
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