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Old April 29th, 2009, 04:13 PM
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Slab Fracture

I posted awhile back about my dog's cracked tooth. The vet that looked at it said it did not need to be extracted unless infection set in.

Well it has been many worried days since then and we had a vet check up today for a snotty nose and full blood panel. So in the middle of the check up I said I was worried that the sudden snotty nose and non stop sneezing.......plus the gasping for air may have been brought on by the cracked tooth. All i had was infection on my mind.

This vet, she is the new fresh out of school vet at my clinic.....took a peek inside Zoe's mouth at the cracked tooth and pressed on it and the peice that was split off from the tooth , she called it a slab fracture, came apart from the gum and was able to be removed by just yanking it.

The tooth underneath is white with no visible signs of problems, the only thing the vet said was the peice that came off is the enamel... the vet said to keep brushing her teeth and all should be well. The gum around the tooth is a little bit red, but not enough to concern the vet. Said that should clear up because obviously the peice of tooth was ready to come off.

My question is that if the enamel is gone, should this tooth be removed? I don't know if I am just humanizing too much here......I know tooth pain and how awful it is.....if her enamel is gone won't her tooth be exposed?? Or am I confusing it with a live root being exposed?

As for our inital reason going to the vet.....everything is fine in the heart,lung and temperature part. Ears and eyes too. I have to wait until friday for the blood test results........and then if no clue we do a round of anti botics next week and if then she still has snotty nose and trouble breathing then we do allergy testing.
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Old April 29th, 2009, 04:19 PM
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I remember your post from before. You know I think I would agree on this one being just left for now.

If the root was exposed I would absolutely do something. I dont know if you have ever had a root canal yourself? I have had a couple and they are painful if not treated. Basically it seems to me that would be the same in a dog?? When the root is exposed for us it is very sensitive to hot or cold or crunching so oooh I am not expert but I think it would hurt.

I hope the test comes back with good results.! maybe its just an allergy or the spring air....

Werent you fostering some pups not long ago? maybe I am thinking of another poster??? hmm not sure now??
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Old April 29th, 2009, 04:35 PM
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Thanks Winston.

I have never had a root canal before but I have had my front teeth worked on numerous times because I smashed the bottoms of them off on a window. If I didn't use a toothpaste for sensitivity I could not eat or drink because none of the repair work stayed put. Going from my experience I was worried......Zoe's tooth is a molar in the back on the right side....second molar from the back.

She does all her chewing on that.......since it was first seen by a vet (who knows how long before that) she does all her chewing on that side. Bones, food, treats, toys........so I just sat back and watched. When I saw the chunk of tooth come out today......well half her molar was sitting on the vet table.

I still have infection on the mind.........sorry but I always prepare for the worse kind of thing......she is not herself.....half the stamina, still eating but drinking more than usual. I told the vet that, oh we have some diarrhea....vet knows that too. But her physical exam was perfect..........friday seems too long for me........just needed to bounce some stuff off people

Oh and no fostering here.............I would love too but my situation right now limits me. One day hopefully
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Old April 29th, 2009, 08:36 PM
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DCH, Cass had a cracked tooth when we got her. She always chewed on that side and eventually the molar broke off. As I recall it looked sort of like what you're describing, right down to the slightly inflamed gums. Our vet also said to just watch it.

Afterward, she was always chewing sticks and branches on that side and if we gave her rawhide, she'd work it on that side of her mouth exclusively. All that time, the root was evidently resorbing, because one day, when I was brushing her teeth, I saw that the remnant of the tooth had fallen out! Didn't seem to bother her at all and it healed up beautifully.
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Old April 29th, 2009, 10:20 PM
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Thanks Hazelrunpack........I have to stop and remind myself that if it was hurting her she wouldn't do it. Sometimes I wonder because she does questionable stuff occasionally. She is just a little on the grumpy side....and my worry monitor is full tilt. Easy to try and blame it on something you know than worry about something you don't. Hopefully friday's bloodwork will give us some answers. If not then the allergy testing.....I hate waiting .

oh and on a side note, I had to get nose drops for her, over the counter pediatrician nose drops......the vet said hopefully it would lubricate the nose enough that when she got on a sneezing fit it would just blow the whole mess out of her sinuses. I have tried three times tonight to put nose drops in and all i have done is scared her. Vet didn't tell me the trick to get it done...I will call tomorrow but will gladly accept any hints or tricks for those that have done it
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Old April 29th, 2009, 11:03 PM
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Oooo...no help from here, DCH! I've never had to administer nose drops.

Do you use a dropper or is it a saline spray?

Could she have picked up a mild case of kennel cough somewhere? We've had the occasional bout of KC that manifested as a snotty nose with sneezing.

Poor Zoe! Give her some extra hugs and pats from hazel, k? Just to make up for mean ol' mommy with the dropper
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Old April 30th, 2009, 08:33 AM
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The vet asked if she has been around any new animals the past little while, and we haven't been. She asked if there was any coughing, no just big sneezing fits.....like 8 or 9 in a row...those fits even scare the dog. Then yesterday she was doing the gasp for air with her head tilted back, I was told that that was reverse sneezing , wow that scared the pants off of me.
Vet stuck her fingers down Zoe's throat and mouth three times, and then massaged her trachea (SP?) and said no swelling.

The snot that comes out is clear, so the vet believes there is no infection. The vet covered one nostril at a time and put her ear up to Zoe's nose and she could hear the congestion rattling around. Vet said she really thinks allergies because everything in her exam was normal. But she said the bloodwork would tell us for sure if there was an infection or if there was something else up.

I called this morning about the nose drops, and yes it is a dropper, she said to just try and get some of it in even if I have to put it on my little finger and lubricate what i can of the nose, hopefully it will help loosen some of the snot.Sounds like a bit of a long shot to me, but the vet said if I want to bring her up after lunch she will get a dose in her.

I am off to do some reading about kennel cough.....i dont know much about it. I know we haven't been around any dogs, but who is to say if someones dog came and visited (lots of loose dogs roaming).

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I'm sorry Zoe isn't feeling well!

I agree on the tooth - if the root itself isn't exposed, it should be fine.

On the snotty nose and sneezing - has she had any new foods lately? New treats? Has she ever had allergies before? Any new plants in your yard? Have you changed cleaning solutions or anything like that? Just throwing ideas out there.

I hope she feels better soon!
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Old April 30th, 2009, 02:09 PM
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Thanks Kandy.

No, no new food or new plants. No new cleaning stuff or detergent. Last spring she had goopy eyes for awhile but no sneezing. This year no goopy eyes and too much sneezing.

She is in her spring blowing of the coat, but the vet checked her skin and says it looks good. I have been giving her salmon oil for over a year now, so that's not a change either.

She didn't even want to jump in the truck today, and she never misses a car ride. I told her she could stay home and she ran back to the door. She is laying outside at the corner of the house right now....just not interested in anything.

One thing I did find funny is when I woke up this morning she was sleeping downstairs on the couch...which she never does by herself. She didn't hear me coming down the stairs which creak and groan like crazy. She didn't hear me walk across the dining room or the living room. I sat down and turned on the tv and that is when she jumped up like she was poked.

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Any luck with the nose drops, DCH?

I hope Zoe peps up soon--it's always so worrisome when they're not themselves and they can't tell you why. she was just finally catching up on some deep sleep because she was feeling better!
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Maybe as she ages she is getting more susceptible to enviromental allergies?? I know if my sinuses are all plugged I don't feel like doing anything either.

I hope she gets back to being herself soon - or that you at least figure out what the problem is!
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Called the vet today, no test results back yet.........worrying now. She had bad diarreha last night...told the vet that. She said to wait unless she started vomiting or stopped eating/drinking water. She ate like a piggy last night...........that is not normal for her at all! She is still drinking, and running around with her stuffies, she hasn't done that in a few days.......Maybe what ever she had is passing through her system??? Still tires easy thought.....had to stop two times during our little walk last night for her to take a breather.
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Hope you get some good test results

.... and that Zoe feels better soon .
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for Zoe's test results and some added hugs for you.
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Bloodwork back early this morning......all is good. Not so much congestion this weekend, the snot spray radius is diminishing. She only gasped for air twice. Poops firmed back up and she a bit of energy now..she isn't walking all stiff anymore.

Vet thinks allergies now......she said if the congestion is still thick by this Friday, or if she starts heavy gasping again then bring her in and she will give anti-botics......she doesn't really want anti-botic treatment because nothing in the bloodwork points to infection......she said it would be a very low dose just incase there maybe a small infection somewhere. Then we will do allergy testing if the congestion continues. But the vet feels like it is just a case of spring allergies, everything coming up, lots of stuff in the air.......said to just give her lots of bellyrubs for now.

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Good news, then! Yay!!!!

Zoe, you keep on gettin' better now so you don't worry your Mum so much! And enjoy those bellyrubs!
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I'm glad she's feeling better! Yay Zoe!
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I hope she continues to improve.
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