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Old August 12th, 2008, 12:43 AM
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Nasal bleeding - 3.5 year old Cocker Spaniel

I'm writing this in the middle of the night, because I'm up worried about my poor 3 1/2 year old cocker spaniel, Nickleby. I took him to the vet today because bloody discharge started dripping from his right nostril two days ago. It started off as pink, thick snot two days ago, but by this morning it was alternating between thick, red snot and light pink watery fluid. He acts normally. He's very active and eating, drinking normally. He's just oozing bloody snot. Scary.

The vet examined him, put a scope in his nose, ordered blood work (which won't be back until tomorrow) and took X-rays. The X-rays showed a cloudy area over his right nasal cavity and she said she couldn't see a mass, but didn't know if that's because of the cloudiness or because there wasn't one.

She said he could have a bad infection, but doubted that because the discharge was so bloody (as opposed to more mucousy, like in the case of a sinus infection). She said he could have a tumor, cancerous or non-cancerous. She also said he could have some immune problem, like thrombocytopenia (spell?), which is will show up in the bloodwork.

My last cocker died of thrombocytopenia and Nickleby shows none of the signs of that. He has no bruising or bleeding anywhere else and he isn't lethargic. I'm much more worried about the possibility of cancer. Nick is so young (again, only 3 1/2), so I certainly wasn't expecting something so dire at this age. He is my baby and I just can't imagine losing him so young.

The vet sent him home with antibiotics (Amoxicillin 400 mg) in case it is an infection. We're awaiting the blood tests, and, if the meds don't clear it up, he will go to a specialist for an endoscopy (I'm not sure how I'll pay for a specialist, but he's my baby). He's resting comfortably right now, but I have to wipe his nose every 15 min. or so. The discharge is still pretty red.

I know it's *possible* for a dog this young to have nasal cancer, but is it *probable*? I can't stand the thought, but my vet (who is very young and new) really seemed to doubt it was just an infection.

I guess I'm just looking for some hope.
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Old August 12th, 2008, 07:16 AM
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Update: Nick slept very heavily through the night (he was sedated for his x-ray). He still has discharge from his nose, but I'd say it's maybe 30% less than yesterday, and it's definitely more like mucous than fluid now. It is pink. He just had his 3rd antibiotic.

One thing I forgot to mention yesterday is that the vet said he had a slight fever. Also, he can breathe fine with his mouth closed, but, depending on his position, his right nostril flares a bit, as if he has to force the air through that side. I suppose that could be due to the mucous, but it worries me given all the other depressing threads I've read on dogs with similar symptoms on this board.

I'm praying for a good outcome, but everything I read sounds pretty scary. Sigh.
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Old August 12th, 2008, 07:30 AM
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arw1970,sorry to hear about Nick's troubles,hopefully you'll get some positive results today and Ifor no Cancer.
I think we always worry about the big C in our little guys as soon as something is wrong
Hopefully someone will come along here able to give you some advice or insight.
In the meantime lots of to you and Nick.
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Old August 12th, 2008, 09:43 AM
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I wish we were welcoming you and Nickleby at a less stressful time, arw1970. It is scary. However, although nasal cancer can occur in a young dog, it is much more common in older ones.

Cockers have their noses to the ground a lot--he may have just picked up a grass awn. It is that time of year. If so, the endoscopy may find it. Or they may be able to flush Nick's nose and remove a foreign body that way.

Did the vet think the cloudy spot on the xrays was infection? A slight fever would be consistent with an infection, as well. Any foreign body stuck up his nose could cause irritation and infection.

At any rate, don't give up hope, arw1970. There are still other possibilities. Wait for the results to come back and see if the antibiotics work, and go from there.

for having many, many years left with Nickleby!
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Old August 12th, 2008, 10:14 AM
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Thank you chico2 and hazelrunpack for your kind replies!

To answer your question, hazelrunpack, the vet identified the x-ray cloudiness as "fluid and inflammation," and said it made it impossible to see the underlying cause. She did say it was isolated to his right nasal cavity.

I swear, I'm not usually this much of a worrier (at least not in public!!), and cancer is not something I'd normally fear in a 3 1/2 year old, but I guess the vet just spooked me. She kept on acting like it was very unlikely that it was an infection because there was more blood than mucous or pus, etc., coming out. She was giving me that look -- you know, the "prepare yourself for pain" look? Then I searched the web and this site (and others) have posts by many poor folks who have had terrible outcomes once there dog started bleeding from the nose, so I really started to worry. (And let me point out that Nick isn't having a "bloody nose" in the pure sense, but rather mucous discharge that has a lot of blood in it. It's run from light red to pink, but has never been pure blood pouring out.)

So, I will try to buck up and not worry myself to death while we find out what it going on with our dear boy.

Can anyone tell me how long it may take for the antibiotic to kick in if it is going to work? Also, is fever normally present with a nasal tumor?

Thanks to everyone!

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Old August 12th, 2008, 05:13 PM
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Well, we just got the blood results back. Nick has no signs of infection, no elevated white blood cells, etc. All of his readings are completely normal. So, that rules out anything like thrombocytopenia, too.

The vet said we should schedule a rhinostopy next. Both specialists we were referred to also recommend a CT scan. It's going to cost a lot of money, so we're gathering funds now.

The vet recommended against a nasal flush on the "off chance" that it is cancer, so that mutated cells aren't spread around.

Even though the vet said it was an "off chance" of cancer, we're not feeling too good at the moment. If Nick had snorted up a foreign object (like plant matter), it seems there would be some elevated white blood cells as his body fought the invader. It could still be a polyp or a benign mass, but we just don't like where this is going. We're so afraid it is cancer.

I can't believe this. What a sweet boy he is -- and so young! This is going to kill me, I swear.

Meanwhile, he's running around the house playing with his stuffed rabbit having a grand old time. I guess that's the important thing.
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Old August 15th, 2008, 06:26 PM
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Good news! (We think.)

Nickleby had his consult with a specialist today. After taking his history and examining him, she said cancer was NOT near the top of her list for diagnosis. Interestingly, she said that the fact that his white blood cells were not elevated in his previous blood work didn't mean he didn't have a raging infection in his nose. She said the nose is so isolated from the rest of the body, that frequently the white blood cells don't even notice when an infection happens in that area. So, while the first vet thought infections (both bacterial and fungal) were off the table, the specialist put them at the top of her list.

We didn't think Nick would have his rhinoscopy today, but the vet had left time in her schedule today to do it. So, he had his procedure this afternoon. The doctor called us a little bit ago and said that she had pulled a small "fleshy mass" from Nick's nose. She did NOT think it was cancer from its appearance. She put it under the microscope and said there were 3 or 4 fungal cells on it, a lot of mucus, and nothing else suspicious. So, for now, she believes that he has a fungal infection pending all lab tests. The little mass will be tested for cancer, but she really doesn't think it is cancer or a polyp. It may be a version of a "pearl" where Nick's body tried to fight and surround an invader and made a little ball of goo, if that makes sense. Weird! In any case, it is completely out of his body! They also flushed out his nose to clean out the mucus, etc. So, the drippy nose should stop now.

Nick will be staying overnight for observation. We miss him, but we're so relieved! Thanks for everyone's good thoughts! They apparently worked!
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Old August 16th, 2008, 09:30 PM
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So was Nickleby able to come home today, arw1970?

What great news that it isn't cancer! Did the vet think the fungus was confined to just that spot? Will Nickleby have to take an antifungal for a while to make sure he's kicked it?

for a quick and complete recovery!
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Old August 17th, 2008, 12:45 AM
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Nick did come home this morning. He has been very groggy all day and is experiencing some moderate bleeding due to his rhinoscopy. Apparently, he is bleeding a bit more than usual for a dog who underwent this procedure, but not enough to be alarming. He is on pain meds and is being kept as quiet and comfortable as possible. Poor baby!

At the moment, his preliminary diagnosis is a fungal infection called Cryptococcus. For some reason, it affects cocker spaniels more than other breeds. The vet said he likely was infected by sniffing fungal spores found in bird poop! Apparently, this fungus also attacks dogs ages 4 and under more frequently than older dogs. It also causes granulomas (fleshy masses) like the one that was pulled out of Nick's nose. So, while the tests aren't all in, it looks like Cryptococcus is almost certainly the culprit. The vet believes it was caught very early, so Nick's prognosis is excellent!

To kill the fungus, Nick will be on fluconazole for at least 3 months. PLEASE NOTE: if anyone else reading this board has a pet prescribed fluconazole, CALL AROUND FOR PRICES!! The price range on this drug is incredible (at least in the USA)! The first price we were quoted was for more than $800 a month for the generic version (thank you very little CVS and Rite Aid!)! We nearly had a heart attack! Even Canadian prices (we're in Midwest USA, close to Canada) for the generic were around $300 a month. Luckily, we know Costco normally has great drug prices and they filled our prescription for a mere $60 per month. The difference between $800 and $60 is obviously huge and can mean the difference between someone treating their pet or opting to let the disease take its course or even opting for euthanasia. We would have paid whatever was necessary (it would have hurt like hell), but we know many people can't. Please call around and always try Costco! We've never seen such crazy ranges on a drug before. Don't pay too much!

Thanks again for the information and encouragement!

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Old August 17th, 2008, 01:02 AM
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Wow, this is very interesting...my dog had a case of nose bleeding awhile back, and we couldn't figure the cause out before it went away on its own. I'm not sure if she's "all better" now or not, but I'm !!!

Here's a link to my dog's thread: http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=54780
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Good that it was caught before it spread!

Please keep us posted on his progress!

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I'm very devastated to report that Nick's test results came back today with the finding that he does indeed have cancer. The vet was shocked. She really thought it was a fungal infection. We're shocked and heartbroken.

We have an appt. with the oncologist on Aug. 29th. We'll know more about his treatment then, but preliminarily it looks like radiation won't be the best option for him. Apparently, the cancerous area is more like a long lesion than a tumor and will require a large beam across his snout to get it all. This will likely cause him great discomfort. But this is all speculation right now, and speculation hasn't been very accurate in Nick's case so far, so we'll wait and see.

If it turns out that Nick will suffer and not get much more quality time from radiation, we're apt to just make him as comfortable as possible and spoil him rotten with the time he has left. I changed his diet last week to Wellness brand to get him off grains, and have added raw eggs and some raw meat to his diet for extra protein. I've also ordered some Essiac Tea.

I've seen some people mention something called K-9 Immunity. I'm going to search for more info on it, but if someone has experience with it, I'd love some advice.

I'm trying so hard to be brave, but this hurts like hell. My poor, beautiful boy. I still think of him as a puppy. This is so sad.
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Old August 20th, 2008, 10:32 PM
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I'm so sorry, arw1970. He's way too young for you all to be going through this...

I hope the oncologist can offer you good options for Nickleby.

Please keep us posted with his progress. If you need to talk, rant, whatever, we're here...
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I really did not expect to hear this,so sorry:sad:
There are animals who live with cancer,it's not always an immediate death-sentence,hopefully this is the case with Nick
the Oncologist can give you and Nick some hope and a long time together.
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If it turns out that Nick will suffer and not get much more quality time from radiation, we're apt to just make him as comfortable as possible and spoil him rotten with the time he has left. I changed his diet last week to Wellness brand to get him off grains, and have added raw eggs and some raw meat to his diet for extra protein. I've also ordered some Essiac Tea.
Aw!!! Not what I was expecting to hear either! :sad:

I'm glad to see you put Nickleby on the Wellness...Wellness Core? Be sure to feed the raw foods in a meal separate from the kibble. I think the numbers are: Raw should be fed no less than 6 hours after kibble or no less than 4 hours before kibble. Someone correct me if those aren't the right numbers.

Personally, my dog couldn't handle the high protein of the Wellness Core (or Evo) on it's own. She would get stinky farts, and couldn't keep the weight on without the carbs of grains. I had to supplement her diet with California Naturals Lamb and Rice. My dog does much better with a small amount of grains. The CN on it's own has too much grains imo, so half and half with the Wellness I think my dog gets the best of both worlds, and boy does she look great! Oh, and no farts!

If I were you I would look into supplementing your dog with some digestive enzymes AND probiotics to help keep his gut flora in decent shape through all the medications, stress, and diet change.
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Sorry for your pain

Hi - your story is exactly the same as mine. Kai is at the specialist at the moment and he is also ranting on about a fungal infection, that it cant be a tumor or cancer as he is only 2 years old. I have a terrible feeling its cancer as his eye is now twitching and his lips on the offending side are twitching too. He is eating okay but so depressed and despondant I wanted to give him a valium as he just has not been himself for so long now. I am sick and tired of being knocked from pillar to post and every vet i see emptying my credit card! Sorry just getting it off my chest.
We will know this afternoon. Our vet didnt even bring up a fungal infection he did xrays and flushing and used an earscope and said there was nothing there. The dog has been bleeding and green snot coming out for two bloody months - has had three sets of antibiotics as well. I hope that this guy can just give us an answer, as his symptoms match fungal infection and nasal cancer.
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Ripping my hair out

Thanks for asking, my husband is sick of me constantly talking about it. He loves the dog, but this has just consumed us for the past three months. Men seem to be able to compartamentalise so efficiently.
The specialist vet called yesterday afternoon. I will give this in bulletin form.
Massive destruction of the inside of the nose, like he has never seen.
He can see sites of haemorrage (so confirming the source of the nose bleeds).
Damage has blocked the blood vessels to the actual nose, causing discolouration (we thought it was him licking it constantly it was giving him snow nose).
Damaging the nerve endings which is why the eye and side of mouth is twitching.
He is convinced it is fungus - however: can find no presence of fungus (colonies i think he called them).
He can find no tumor.
He can find no foriegn object.
He put in an antifungal treatment under anesthetic and turned him every fifteen minutes to distribute the treatment evenly and thoroughly.
There is not a great success rate in killing fungus like this apparently from my surfing the web. The only chance he has is for this treatment to work and kill the fungus to allow new tissue to regenerate.
He has taken a sample to send off but battled to find live tissue as everything was dead.
When i read puppypwr spool, its identical, and i have a bad feeling that when the lab results come in that there is some kind of tumor.
Can you maybe tell me - if a fungal disease has ravaged the inside of his nasal cavities and everything else so badly and caused 'massive destruction', how was he not able to find one colony or presence of any fungus???
Something else is the underlying cause of this.
The poor bugger is now on antibiotics and rimadryl (sic) and we wait.
This cost R7000 yesterday ($1000) and the xrays and everything else - all the faffing around with three different course on antibiotics and xrays and flushes was around R3000 ($500). Thats the average persons (in Cape Town) salary.
My boys gave up going on a rugby tour that they had worked towards the entire year. I couldnt afford to do both, so they said fix Kai. I was overwhelmed with their generosity of spirit as teenage boys normally only think of themselves! (Kai alternates between their beds each night. He can stand up and open their bedroom doors) Thats when i said - sod it! - we will do both and just didnt pay the mortgage for the month. I will deal with the bank later!!!
Dont know why im spilling my guts like this, but after reading all these lovely peoples stories, we are all just regular people that love our animals and are juggling a lot of balls all at once.
Whats killing me is how much pain he must be in - surely destruction like that must be awfully painful (ive had sinus infection and i wanted to put my head through the nearest wall) so what must that be like for him. This strong, white, proud, stubborn, clever, beautiful husky that people stop on the street to admire at only 2 years old is being reduced to a sliver of his former self. Its soul destroying.
Anything you can say will be better than me listening to my own ranting!
Thanks for your caring from so far awayx
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Kai's mom,I just wanted to say,although I can give you no advice,I've read this whole thread and I want you to know everyone here is sending you, your family and Kai tons ofall the way to South Africa
As for ranting,that's what we are here for,we all understand the frustration,anger and sadness you feel and wish for a positive outcome for Kai
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thanks chico! the internet has indeed made the world a smaller place. We have to wait till pathology comes back in a week with his results from the biopsy. the specialist called again yesterday and re-iterated that if this fungal treatment doesnt work it has to be done again. reading between the lines he doesnt hold much hope because his nose inside is so ravaged. we will know in a couple of weeks if its worked as the symptoms will come back again; and then we have to let him go as it will spread to his brain. its $1000 a pop for each treatment as he has to anethetised for over an hour to do it. what a disaster.
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