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Old April 17th, 2008, 02:46 PM
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Best Lamb Dog Food

So...I wanted to change Rose's protein source from fish based to lamb. What kibble would you recommend for a senior samoyed with allergies to chicken. She is normal weight and takes salmon oil and glucosamine.
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Old April 17th, 2008, 06:01 PM
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How bout Summit or Acana?

http://petcurean.com/index.php?page_id=114

http://championpetfoods.com/dogs/lamb_rice.aspx
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Old April 18th, 2008, 02:41 AM
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Two more choices would be California Natural Lamb Meal and Rice and Nature's Variety Lamb Meal and Oatmeal Medley.
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Old April 22nd, 2008, 10:31 AM
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I thought California Natural Lamb looked good. She does really well on the CN Herring & Sweet Potato although she tends to eat more poop and toilet paper on it. I'll add some canned Lamb to it as well and see if that makes a difference. Thanks for the replies.
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Old April 22nd, 2008, 11:54 AM
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Hey, I just wanted to share this Nature's Variety has a coupon buy one Nature's Variety Prairie or Instinct Kibble get a 4 - 5 lb bag free.
www.naturesvariety.com/iloveit
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Old April 22nd, 2008, 01:42 PM
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Hey, I just wanted to share this Nature's Variety has a coupon buy one Nature's Variety Prairie or Instinct Kibble get a 4 - 5 lb bag free.
www.naturesvariety.com/iloveit
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Sounds good but you should start a new thread with the info as not everyone will see it in here.
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Old April 23rd, 2008, 08:22 AM
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Although I don't like the vegetable oils with allergic dogs, and I wish companies would STOP adding flax, this food from Canidae might be something to look into.
http://www.canidae.com/dogs/lamb-and-rice/dry.html

I would avoid all gluten grains like barley, look for rice only and no oatmeal, barley or white potato. If you can't do a home made diet, I understand, it's very time consuming although by far the best bet for allergy. But why are you looking to use lamb? Some foods which feature venison or duck for example might be better choices for a sensitive dog.

Good luck with this,
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Old April 23rd, 2008, 01:36 PM
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Good question. I am looking @ rotating her protein sources. She is an active senior who doesn't have weight issues and doesn't do well on kibble with less than 22% protein. The duck formulas that I have looked at have approx. 21% or less. I also am not impressed with a kibble that has a grain as it's first ingredient. She does well on lamb and has a sensitive stomach (forgot to mention) I was wondering why not barley or oats? Also I just got an email from Showbound Naturals and it is available in Edmonton by special order. That has lamb and lamb meal as it's first 2 ingredients. thanks everyone.
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Old April 23rd, 2008, 03:24 PM
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Good question. I am looking @ rotating her protein sources. She is an active senior who doesn't have weight issues and doesn't do well on kibble with less than 22% protein. The duck formulas that I have looked at have approx. 21% or less. I also am not impressed with a kibble that has a grain as it's first ingredient. She does well on lamb and has a sensitive stomach (forgot to mention) I was wondering why not barley or oats? Also I just got an email from Showbound Naturals and it is available in Edmonton by special order. That has lamb and lamb meal as it's first 2 ingredients. thanks everyone.
Hi again geisha...
According to the 2006 NRC Guidelines, seniors can require a good deal MORE protein than adults, as opposed to the earlier ideas that supported lowering it. It still dismays me to see foods like Canidae's Platinum that offer 18% protein to seniors. In case of kidney problems, most often it's phosphorus that we limit first. It's possible to formulate a diet with a good protein presence and low phosphorus, but this doesn't seem to be an issue for your dog. I agree 22% Dry Matter protein is low for a senior, in a kibble that is (Not necessarily in a home made diet). What about adding some fresh food to those kibbles, to bolster protein (within reason )? Another idea might be to use about 1/4 of a protein focused food such as Wellness CORE (reduced fat) or Orijen, along with the lamb - just one suggestion. A bi-annual renal evaluation is always a good thing too.

I'm also a big fan of rotating foods if the dog will tolerate it. All too often I see a dog doing very well on a food but then rapidly developing intolerance if it is fed exclusively. I don't like gluten of any sort in the canine diet, at least not regularly, so I prefer a kibble not have barley which contains it, or oats whihc has to be certified gluten free in order to be sure it's ont "contaminated". Of the two, I'd take the oatmeal, but I'd r prefer brown rice and/or sweet potato as a daily source (never white potato for seniors).

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Old April 23rd, 2008, 07:25 PM
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You might also consider the California Natural Lamb & Rice Puppy formula. For a dog that doesn't have weight issues, it's close to their regular formula, but has higher protein than other lamb formulas out there.
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Old April 23rd, 2008, 07:59 PM
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Um Catherine. Rose is allergic to chicken so...unfortunately no Core Reduced Fat. She can have Orijen Fish and Core Fish as well as Timberwolf Ocean Blue etc. I just wanted to mix up her protein by adding lamb. The reason I went with a lamb instead of introducing a novel protein is just in case she develops a sensitivity to fish. I'm trying to keep the options open. The CN Puppy Lamb hmmm. Never thought of that.
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Old April 24th, 2008, 06:04 AM
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Um Catherine. Rose is allergic to chicken so...unfortunately no Core Reduced Fat. She can have Orijen Fish and Core Fish as well as Timberwolf Ocean Blue etc. I just wanted to mix up her protein by adding lamb. The reason I went with a lamb instead of introducing a novel protein is just in case she develops a sensitivity to fish. I'm trying to keep the options open. The CN Puppy Lamb hmmm. Never thought of that.
Thanks again.

Right, well I'm suggesting adding a small amount of a protein- focused food *such as* Wellness, obviously not one with the food she's reacting to. Barking at the Moon has no chicken but does have beef and white potato - I mean, all of these foods are problematic to some degree, but my feeling about gluten and allergy is based on years of research and case studies, so I would urge you to try to avoid it. If you did end up going with a food that was lower in protein than you'd like, but worked for your dog in terms of her allergies, I'm suggesting just bolstering the protein content a little using fresh foods. Hopefully you can find a commercial product that works for her on every level.

The Wellness line features duck and venison, but is only 21% protein.

Because a dog can easily develop another allergy or intolerance for a food - any food - that's fed all the time, or any ingredient in that food, one strategy for maintenance is to feed a rotated diet right now, using fish, lamb, venison, rabbit, duck, etc - this can work for many dogs who otherwise would simply do well on the new food for a while and then begin reacting to it.

Just something to consider.

Good luck with your research,
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Old April 24th, 2008, 05:18 PM
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Okay. I've made a choice. I went to G & E Pharmacy (my favorite place to shop for food. It also sells horse halters & salt licks Long story short I decided on California Natural Lamb & Rice as they were out of Canidae, Nature's Variety & CN Puppy Lamb. The Nutrient analysis states it has 22% protein as opposed to the guaranteed analysis 21%. (I know that's another thread) I also bought some cans of CN Lamb & Rice for added protein/palatability. Thanks for all your help and Food for Thought!
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Old April 25th, 2008, 05:36 AM
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Hi Geisha

Congrats on chosing your new food! I just want to add that for dogs with sensitivities, a great lamb based food is Solid Gold Hund N Flocken. This food is not grainless but it is overall a excellent choice.
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Old April 25th, 2008, 09:35 AM
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Pardon my rudeness, I forgot to welcome Catherine to the forum. It looks like your input will be gratefully appreciated. Cheers!
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