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Old April 23rd, 2004, 10:14 PM
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Question itchy dog

Ok....weirdly things have been happening with my Brick!! His "boogery" eyes are getting more frequent, he has been gnawing/licking his back paws a LOT lately, and biting/scratching his haunches. Just started noticing it a lot lately in the past week......did some research and all I could find was that it was "allergies"........ So......what on earth could he be allergic too? Or does he just need a bath?? LOL

We DO have a vet appt. on Monday so I will definately mention it to him, but was just curious what my bright friends think!!!

He eats Eagle Pack food.......been on it over a month...could that be it? Haven't been in the river for about 2 weeks cuz of the snow and cold weather, so not sure it could be that. Nothing else has changed. I haven't washed his blanket or bed, so its not the laundry detergent. No fleas in Alberta and I think it would still be too cold if there were.

I'm stumped!! Shed some light guys and gals!!!
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Old April 24th, 2004, 10:17 AM
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Could be an allergy in the environment or food ...hard to say.

You will have to start eliminating some things but it does sound allergy related to me.

I bet your vet (haha I rhymed) will say here take these steroids or this prednisone cause thats usually all they do... (sigh)

Have you considered home cooking for Brick?

What you could do is try him on a home cooked diet for about 10 days to see if things improve.

(I really really miss Carina on here )

Add some supplements to his diet as well, vitamin e and fish oils, evening primrose.

Wipe his eye boogers clean with a warm damp cloth when you see them and don't reuse the cloth again..so you may want to use paper towel or something like that.

Before you start putting him on any meds the vet recommends, I'd definitely switch foods first.

Also, whats his bedding area like? Do you wash it with anything fragranced or any chemicals?

Do you use any spray crap like Febreeze or carpet fresheners? Wash your floors with harsh stuff like Mr. Clean or Pine Sol?
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Old April 24th, 2004, 11:23 AM
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OMG...you might be right!! I never thought of it, but I use Oust (like Febreeze) on the couch...and Brick has been allowed up on the couch the last few weeks!! I don't use it on his bedding though, just the couch and the curtains! HMMMMMM!!!!!!! No more of that then we'll see how it goes! Wash his bedding with laundry soap...non stinky stuff cuz Tim hates smelling like a girl!! LOL

Where is Carina btw????

I would like to do home cooking for him, but not even sure where to begin!! I know its been mentioned on here before, but I can't seem to find the posts again. Can you refresh my memory for me????? I've checked out that BARF diet site but it didn't really help.....cuz I KNOW Tim won't go for the raw meat thing!

I've sprayed his food with olive oil which helps with the cats dandruff so I'm seeing if that helps too!! I will get some E capsules and break them over his food too!! What kind of fish oils, or can I just feed him fish??

Washing the floors?????? LMFAO Hhahahahhahaha That hardly gets done around here.....I wash it then 10 min. later in tromps Brick all muddy from the yard!! Why bother!!! LOL (I do wash it, I'm just kidding....I use some enviro cleaner, like all my other cleaners.......trying to do my part for the environment!! )

Should I switch dry foods gradually like you normally do when switching, or just go cold turkey off the Eagle Pack?? I worry cuz EP is an all natural food, and if he's allergic to that stuff....how will he react to food with other crapola in it??? Hmmmmmm!! My poor poor itchy boy!!!

Thanks for the insight Luba!! I will definately be rethinking the stuff he has full access to. Will keep ya posted!! Thanks again!! (((hugs))))))
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Old April 24th, 2004, 11:37 AM
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YVW my dear!

Oopsie better not say 'my dear' on here..Anita got caca from someone for being civil the other day.


Any diet change can cause GI problems. But you know, since I switched Sadie she hasn't had not one incident of diarrhea or constipation, she itchies a little cause she is shedding her puppy fur and growing her longer coat. However, her skin, coat, eyes, look radiant. I"m very very glad.

It's just like us, if we eat prepackaged foods all the time is shows not only on the outside but the inside of us as well. Our nails get brittle or weak, hair looses shine, teeth look grey, and our eyes look yellow.

Dogs are no different!

Dogs are meat eaters and therefore the balance of their diet should be meat, fresh meat! Doesn't have to be raw..I don't give Sadie raw meat, just raw bones.

She gets chicken hearts, gizzards and livers
Beef, beef liver
Chicken breast
Sometimes lamb but not often, more of a treat

You just need to balance the food
Meat, Veggies, Carbs

Try like I suggested before, make a stew for brick.
Get a bunch of beef, cube it into small cubes, add some garlic powder and a couple cloves of garlic that you'll take out later (garlic good to keep fleas away )
a bunch of different veggies (carrot, potato, turnip, peas, broccoli, cauliflower and so on...) add some rice and a handful of elbow noodles.
Boil it in a pot all together and voila!

Just be sure that 1/2 the portion is atleast meat!

I save the juices of whats left over, and I make ice cubes with it....great proteins in there as well as a wonderful chew treat!!

Myself I use all natural products, all natural lines for cleaning 'me' and the home and laundry. I can't stand chemicals and fragrances they actually make me violently ill with migranes, nausea and I ache all over. So chuck that febreeze baby!!
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Old April 24th, 2004, 11:40 AM
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I have heard that if a dog has an allergy to his food,you will notice it within a week or so.So if that's true,then it may not be the Eagle Pack.

I have Yukon and Tron on it.The holistic one.Tron has a bit of arthritis.I also have my cat Phoenix on it too.I switched her from Royal Canin Indoor.She was chunking up a bit.I have noticed that she is looking better.Casper(7 months) is still on kitten.But I will try him on the Eagle Pack as well when it's time.

When switching,I wouldn't go cold turkey.Mix the old with the new gradually.
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Old April 24th, 2004, 12:00 PM
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Thanks girls!! Yer da best!! I betcha its the Oust....I just told Tim and he said he'd sprayed Bricks bed with it too. It just makes sense!!! I'm going to give him a bath , wash the cushions on the couch, wash his bed and start fresh...to see if that helps!! I will also try that stew!! You can buy chicken hearts and gizzards and livers at the butchers right? Hmmmmm, I'm going to try this for sure!!!

What things are dogs not supposed to eat besides chocolate, grapes, spices, and onions??? Brick LOVES asparagus!!

I've been mixing Eagle pack weight maintenance and Nutro Natural choice for my cats the last couple of weeks. They seem to like the mix and they are getting what they need!! We'll see how it goes!! We use the blue bag of Eagle pack for Brick... I'm wondering if we should switch to the holistic stuff!?!?!

Thanks again girlies!!! Have a great day!!!
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Old April 24th, 2004, 12:40 PM
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Luba, someone got nasty on here? Interesting. Hope the site doesn't end up like the hockey message boards. I haven't seen any nastieness since I started posting here. Ah well, always one in the crowd.
Anyhoo, Bob was scratching a bit this week too. Almost never does that. His eyes had goop first thing in the morning a few days too. In Vancouver the flowers are all out, and the cherry trees bloomed a while ago so I think it's just a bit too much polen in the air. Allergies. Hell, even my eyes have been a bit puffy last few days. Sneezing too. Nothings changed around the house though. Just a thought.
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Old April 25th, 2004, 10:58 AM
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Yeah, I thought of that too...but my allergies haven't kicked in yet, since we just got rid of the snow, I don't think anything has had a chance to pollenate. I am keeping my eyes on him, and I threw out the Oust, so we'll see how that goes!! Will let ya all know tomorrow night!!! Brick is also shedding pretty heavily right now, so that could be causing the itching....who knows!!!

What happened with Anita?? She got in POOP for saying "my dear"???? WTF????

Bill...you should see some of the previous posts....some got rather nasty!! LOL I think I may have been involved in one or two!! It especially gets bad when people are STUPID and won't take their dog to the vet when he's bleeding out of his eye sockets and ears.....like HELLO!!!!!!!!
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1 house gecko - George (RIP)
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Old April 25th, 2004, 11:47 AM
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Yes Anita said 'my dear' to someone and they flipped on her! (moron)

Mind you Anita's never called me 'dear' snifflles

I've had my share of attacks on here but my bark and my bite are worse then theirs as I use logic, something that those dummies don't have!!

Something that many of us on here DO!
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Old April 25th, 2004, 03:12 PM
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Did I miss that post?

((((((anita)))))

Mind you I have been in a few of those "nasty" attacks also......

And I bite while I bark.....

There there Luba...(((((HUGS)))))).....
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Old April 25th, 2004, 03:26 PM
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Interesting...I did see something a while back when I was going through old posts looking for a thread about something in particular. I ended up seeing a thread about someone who'd bred their mutt because a friend liked the mutt and wanted a dog like it. I seem to remember a bunch of people dumping on them for doing that (obviously), and subsequently a bunch of other people dumping on the original dumpers for being nasty to the mutt breeder, and "that's the reason that people are afraid to post on here because of all you people being moralistic and critical" or something like that.
What did they think was going to happen when you post on a pet website about breeding mutts, when everyone who attends the site has been to the pounds many times and seen the prisoners in their cells?
I thought that was funny. First sign of nastieness I'd seen on here. Couldn't believe the person going on about others being afraid to post on here because they would be criticized. If you've got that little self esteem, I wouldn't recommend you get a pet in the first place. It's the internet folks.
Anyhoo, how could someone go off for calling someone dear? Very funny.
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Oh Luba my DEAR
Itchy dogs?...well I haven't got a clue
Just wanted to let Luba know.I planted some Poppies,in the rain today,got some from my friend in Welland and I am on an absolute high,haven't been able to find Poppies here in Oakville.
I am happy,so happy soo happy,love Poppies
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Old April 25th, 2004, 04:04 PM
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Anita DEAR

I could have sent you all the poppie seeds you want you little opium queen
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Old April 27th, 2004, 08:22 AM
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Ok, well Brick got all his shots updated so we are good to go now!! As for the itching, the vet said it could be a number of things (which we already figured out that part!) - she gave him a treatment of Revolution to rule out parasites seeing as he's a pound dog, and Giardia (sp??). We washed all of his blankets and the couch so we can tell if it was the OUST or not.

One thing that really bothered me about this vet was that she kept harping on the separation anxiety thing and that just because Brick is really good now, he could relapse and tear our house apart. She was adamant about us getting a crate and just having it in case we ever need it. Brick is completely happy guarding our house, its like he knows that is his job, no more whining when we leave or freaking out.

Anyways, besides that, he is healthy. She couldn't really give us an explanation about why he pukes after he is out for a run or heavy exercise. She told us just not to feed him for an hour and limit his water to little bits at a time. He 's only puked a couple times after exercising, but I was still concerned. I guess its like us when we go for big runs and eat or drink right before or right after it gurgles our tummies!!

I'm still not 100% convinced I like this vet so we may just search around in the next little while. Does any of this sound fishy to you guys?? She did say we are doing all the right things with him with training, feeding and stuff!!

And apparently we DO have fleas in Alberta......just not as prevalent as other humid places (like Ontario)....I always grew up thinking we didn't and that we were soooo lucky..hmphhh!!! LOL
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Old April 27th, 2004, 09:03 AM
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Good news about Brick all healthy and such.


It really is up to you if you want to get a crate, it may come in handy at some point and time. I have one and use it when needed, it is a very handy tool to help them feel safe, not cruel locking them away. Sadie actually loves her crate, venturing in there very often herself to play with toys and chew on her bone.

Just like with kids, they forget to nap because they want to play. So when Sadie's all hyper because she's overtired like a kid gets and she's bouncing off the walls...she takes a nap in her crate.

Usually as soon as I put her in there she's out cold within moments! NOT kidding!

Have you tried adding vitamin e and fish oil to Bricks food?

Even if you don't want to completely change his diet over to home cooked. Give him a can of sardines or some salmon every week. If you have flax seed oil yourself, put a teaspoon of it in with one of his meals every day.



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Yeah, I wouldn't get too excited about the vet mentioning crate training. Unless they sell crates that is. That'd be financial motivation. It just seems to be accepted practice with separation anxiety dogs, which most SPCA dogs are. My friend suggested it to me right off the bat, and it's become a wonderful thing. Bob goes in there whenever I give him a treat or a bone. It's like his little hidey spot. Sometimes he freaks me out when he goes in there because I can't find him in his usual spots he loafs about in.
Anyhoo, if you don't think you want it that's the most important opinion. I wouldn't close my mind to it for the future though. They are great when you go travelling somewhere with the pooch. A familiar spot for the dog to hang out in.
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hi all, well bill you will be disapointed, the nasty posts people speak of, well most of the really nasty ones are removed by the board moderator. there was one where the person was swearing and calling everyone nasty names, well as i was reading it, marko was removing it so i never got to the juicy stuff, oh i am such a nosy gossip .
and catt, i also add a nice gravy to stews for extra flavour. my vet sells a gravy for dogs that has extra vitamins and minerals in it, oh and it is very much appreciated by one hairy little girl. i also make home gravy with hardly any salt for her, she loves it. and with a home made stew you know exactly what goes into it, no color or preservatives.
as far as the crate thing goes, well it is very uncommon practice here (but becoming more popular). and if your dog is happyto hang out and protect his place, let him. surely you know what sets of his anxiety problems so just avoid that. my girl was a seperation anxiety nightmare 8 years ago, she use to tear through everything (once even the back door, thought we had been robbed). but she doesnt do it anymore and i am very aware of what upsets her so i just dont subject her to it, she hasnt eaten anything in years. why pay the expense for a crate when you really dont need it, i think your vet is trying to make money. it was a really strange reccomendation, maybe she just really likes them and doesnt understand your dogs happy situation. and if you start crating him now, well that might not be so good for him, surely he would find being without freedom far more stressful. (and as many of you know i am all for freedom to move and express) just my thoughts
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Old April 28th, 2004, 10:34 AM
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We've been spraying his food with Olive oil, like I do with the cats, and it seems to work for Brick too...not as much itching!!! I will get him some fish oil next time I'm at the store too!!

As for the crate, for those of you that remember, we DID have a crate for him and it was a disaster. A brief history of my neurotic doggie...lol:
Spent 2 days at home with him when we brought him home from the pound. Day 3 - put him in our back porch area, with blankie and toys etc. and he shredded the door frame and was all sweaty from stressing out so badly.
Day 4 - got a crate, the heavy dutiest one, and he busted out of it (Houdini); he hated the thing, we tried getting him in it slowly with treats, etc.....but no go,,,,, hated it, was totally stressed out.
Day 5- left him in the house cuz when he busted out of his crate he didn't do any damage to the house, so thought, lets give this a whirl...we did, and he was awesome!! Been out ever since. We eventually took the crate back figuring if he doesn't like it now, he may never like it. And I didn't want to stress him out any more than he already was. Maybe NOW that he knows we are his people, he may be more willing to try it, but I can't really see the point..he is a good dog, getting better at travelling now that he has a seatbelt, and only places we will ever travel with him is camping, never on an airplane, so I'm not too concerned.

That gravy sounds yummy melanie, I'm sure Brick will LOVE that!!! We're going to try home cooked meals with him once or twice a week, just so it doesn't break our bank account!!! LOL Thanks for all the help guys and gals!!!
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Old April 28th, 2004, 12:25 PM
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Be careful with any gravy made from fatty beefy / pork meats
grease in dogs = trouble. They can get pancreatitis which is very very serious.
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Try using Saffflower oil. It is high in vitamin E.
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I won't try the gravy yet, I want to see how he does on a natural food diet first, without extra stuff. I will try safflower oil...thanks Karin!! I think I even have some in the cupboard!!
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1 house gecko - George (RIP)
2 giant african land snailS - Kaimah (RIP) & Kamau (RIP)
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Update!!

Its been over a week and no more itchy nibbley feet!!! We changed a few things so not 100% sure what we can boil it down to, but I'm thinking the OUST we sprayed on the couch and his bed to make it smell nicer in here!! Once we cleaned those, and gave him a bath he seems fine now!! He has gone into the river since and isn't itching after so its not that, thank God cuz he LOVES the water!!

So, note to people who use Oust or Febreeze or crap like that - DON'T!!! LOL I also think that is what was making my cats sneeze!!! HMMMMMMMM!!!
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1 house gecko - George (RIP)
2 giant african land snailS - Kaimah (RIP) & Kamau (RIP)
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Old May 4th, 2004, 08:15 AM
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Catt thats great news!!

I'm glad you stopped using that crap!

You know, when Sadie and I go for walks I can smell all the fragranted fabric softeners bellowing out of peoples dryer vents. It is so chemically strong it makes me nautious and it lingers through the entire neighbourhood.

I wish people realized that because something is fragranted doesn't mean it's CLEAN it means you're adding extra chemicals into the environment and into your lungs and body. Its really so very unhealthy for us!!
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yay for happy puppy. glad to hear, must be a big relief for you and brick. well i will stop using that febreeze crap asap. i only use it on the curtains but now i know it is not worth the risk of using at all. and luba your right, we are just making our lives toxic by using such rubbish.
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