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Old November 29th, 2007, 08:39 AM
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Yorgurt for Dogs

Hi Everyone I'm a junior here so if I'm not doing something right please let me know. I actually found this site by googling yorgurt/dogs. I couldn't believe the replies from people about why they give their dog yorgurt. I had always given them doggie paws but the reason I came on was because my one pug has allergies really bad. Poor thing I feel so bad for her. She seemed to be always scooting on her behind so I had the anals checked and she was fine. My vet told me she had a yeast infection down there. I guess I wasn't really drying her too well after a bath. They have lots of folds. But it's just her not the other one. Anyway I saw someone was giving their dog yorgurt for yeast ear infections so I thought this might help her too. I bought just plain yorgurt with the live cultures so tdy I gave her 1 tlb so we'll see how it goes. Has anyone had a dog that got yeast infections? I'm hoping this will help her itching period. She takes benedryl & prednisone daily and I hate giving her prednisone but it helps her. My vet said she is getting such a low dose it really won't bother her. Sorry to ramble I was just curious if anyone else has had this problem.
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Old November 29th, 2007, 11:22 AM
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*blinks* well i know it helps in prevention in yeast infections in girls and women????

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Old November 29th, 2007, 01:32 PM
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It was suggested to me by my vet to clean ears subject to yeast infections, use 1/2 apple cider vinegar with 1/2 warm water. I also know that apple cider vinegar is healthy to add to meals, as I do, so it may also be beneficial for the yeast problems closer to the other end of your doggy. Vet told me that yeast hates vinegar.... so you may want to check that out.
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Old November 29th, 2007, 03:12 PM
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The only way to get healthy is to first get good nutritious foods into your dog. Avoid and stop all dog food and start to feed natural wholesome foods.
The prednisone if given long term is going to cause further problems including weakening of joints. Leads to breaks and tears of ligaments. Short term okay ...long term avoid if at all possible. The benadryl daily is going to effect the central nervous system.

Never ever stop the dog suddenly from the prednisone, this medication will if you get your dog off of NEED to be slowly slowly tapered. Or your dog will have horrible withdrawal reactions from it.

Feed the dog fresh food, because I can guarantee you the allergies are being triggered or aggrivated by store bought food. Avoid avoid avoid bathing your dog all the time. You are #1 aggrivating the skin with any chemical/fragrance/drying and #2 stripping the skin of oils.

Yogurt alone isn't going to solve this issue. AND if your vet hasn't already told you systemic steroids like prednisone commonly cause overproduction of yeast cells. So if your dog has yeast, blame it on the prednisone.

Boil some chicken and potatos and give that to your dog for a couple of weeks with NO other foods. Add a level teaspoon of olive oil to the potato and chicken once a day. Twice a day give two even tablespoons of organic yogurt. I would buy probiotics and mix 1/3 a capsul with the yogurt every day.

What did the vet do for the yeast infection? Did he give you any antifungals? Yogurt can help reestablish healthy bacteria but it's not going to kill yeast at all.
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Old November 29th, 2007, 05:53 PM
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yep, all of what Luba said and a few more tidbits- seriously look into a fresh food home made diet where you can control what your dog eats. not only is it insanely healthier for your dog but you can manipulate what your pooch is eating to find out what the irritant is.

as Luba said, start off with some chicken and either taters or rice. the chicken can be raw with the bones in them or cooked without bones but include the skin. they NEED fat in their diet. find a source of calcium though. either ground up egg shells(1tbs per lb) or some yogurt (although that wont be enough) or you can crush up half of a calcium pill (600mg) per.... someone help a girl out?? is it 300mg per lb of meat?? or 600mg per pound of meat?? i cant remember. you shoudl also be ok feeding eggs raw, the whole egg though. shell and all.

thats a very limited amount of food items that can make your dog sick. if she is still not feeling well, try changing her foods to lamb or duck... a meat thats NOT in your current food and also another starch, cut out the eggs and look for a different source of calcium.

every time i put my dog on commercial foods his butt explodes and his skin gets flakey and itchy.

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do it for 2 weeks?? i think? see if things dont clear up for you.
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Old November 29th, 2007, 06:16 PM
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All excellent advice.

I'm giving my dog a more natural diet and she's loving it and improving daily, both inside and out.

She would not take a whole egg (shell and all) until we at first gave her a cracked egg with no shell, then slightly crack a whole egg another day, and now she knows what eggs are when offered.

Check with your grocery stores. I didn't find much available until I began to complain and low and behold the next time I went in there, one of the employees came bounding up and said hey we got turkey necks. It's a start.

I'm just trying to convince them they will make more profit if they bring in more doggie friendly meaty bone items and organ meats, even though humans won't normally consume those parts. I was told at first they wouldn't do it because it's considered "waste."

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Old November 30th, 2007, 08:19 AM
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Wow what great responses. The good my dogs are on now is all natural food. I do buy it in petsmart and have been for a very long time. In fact yrs ago I actually started with one called Hundin Flockin. Spelling might be off a little. They have always been on natural. Like I said my one girl is fine. As far as the prednisone I know it's bad and my vet even hates having her on it. I did get her weaned off and was just holding my breath the itchiness wouldn't come back. So why do you think the only place she is itchy is around the rear end area? Yes her ears get red but very rarely does she get ear infections. I give them a weekly bath because of the doggie order they have. You know you let them out early morning when the grass is wet and there goes your nice smell. I will hold off on the baths for awhile.

My vet gave me an anitobotic amtri to rub on down there but for some reason it didn't work for her. I called him back to tell him that and he says well we checked the anals they were fine, they were just treated for tapeworms which totally grossed me out so that's not the problem, humm I don't know.

I have given my dogs raw eggs before but not with the shells. If I start the chicken and potatoes or rice how much would I be giving her and is she getting all she needs nutrition wise? She weighs close to 30 lbs. My vet also did adv me to change her food but when it comes to actually giving raw meats I've never done it. I do have a friend that just fed her dogs cooked chicken/rice.

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Old November 30th, 2007, 08:26 AM
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Luba what is probiotics? The yorgurt I bought at the store was just store brand plain yorgurt. It has both the live cultures. I forgot to add this buy my girls get fed morning and night. So as soon as I know how much chicken and rice or pototes to give her ( I'll probably do the samething with my other girl) I will start. That's all the food they'll need and still be ok with everything else they need? (vitamins, etc)
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I know it's off the topic of yeast, but I give our Heinlein a heaping spoonful of yogurt every day after dinner. Since then, he no longer wakes us up at night with his, um... "mighty wind".

Funny thing is, he loves the yogurt. I don't know if it's the taste, or the fact that I feed it to him directly, so it feels more like a treat, but I just have to say "do you want yogurt?", and he gets all excited and runs over to where I give it to him. He doesn't even get that excited about actual treats.

The rest of the advice here looks really good, and I'm going to look into some of it.

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Old November 30th, 2007, 09:24 AM
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The good my dogs are on now is all natural food. I do buy it in petsmart and have been for a very long time. In fact yrs ago I actually started with one called Hundin Flockin. Spelling might be off a little. They have always been on natural.
Not to nit-pick, but "natural" and commercial dry food is an oxymoron. There really is nothing natural about rendered, highly processed and preserved kibble. Yes, some are better than others, but none are actually natural in the way that a fresh meat diet is.

Probiotics are supplements of concentrated "friendly" bacteria and organisms, like what you would find in yogurt but in much higher amounts. You can find some at drug and health food stores. A good brand is Culturelle, or else you can get something called FortiFlora from your vet.
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If you're going to switch to a home-prepared diet (great idea), I'd recommend doing a lot of research to ensure your dog's meals are properly balanced. For cooked meals, starting off with chicken and potatoes for several weeks is good but you can't continue with this long-term. Pick up a few good books on home-cooked meals so that you will be better informed on how to go about it safely.

If you're going to go the RAW route, which has worked best for our dogs, I would recommend Natural Nutrition for Dogs and Cats by Kymathy R. Schultze available at http://www.dogwise.com/index.cfm . I found it a resourceful, easy to read book for those just starting out with RAW.
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yep, what they said and there are more than a few members who feed raw or homemade and are quite knowledgeable about both.

if you are really committed to finding out if your dogs diet is the culprit start with a raw meat only diet and THAT is a complete diet all by itself that you can feed for months with no repercussion.

2-3% of their body weight total

80% meat (muscle meat, heart, gizzards, tongue)
10% organ (5%liver, kidney)
10% bone (whole chicken has a good bone to meat ratio and they are really easy to chew)

if after two weeks of a single meat only diet you dont see a huge change, try beef, its the next easiest to find inexpensive meat to. shop for meat that expires that day or buy bulk. do your best to find chicken for under $1.00 per pound and beef under $1.50 per pound.

also, you dont have to feed that % each day. look at the whole week instead. if over a week you feed roughly 4 pounds of food, feed one whole chicken over 5 days, feed gizzards and hearts another and liver on the last day.

from there it shouldnt be any problem to feed rice along with it for some added carbs. dogs dont NEED NEED it but benefit from having it in their diet. it doesnt count for their 2-3% of their diet but taper it down to 1.5-2.5% of their diet total.

the point of this is to have a 'complete' diet that you can modify to find out what is causing these problems. its unlikely that your dog is allergic to chicken AND beef so one or the other make a great base to start with. if in 2 weeks you dont see a chance, go with the other meat. if you DO try adding in the other meat, adding new meats every week. see if something changes. if it doesnt... swap the rice for oatmeal, bread or some other grain based product. add in veggies patiently to see if your pooch reacts badly. if you get a reaction, move backwards until you eliminate what caused the problem.

i dont feed my dog a raw meat only diet. he gets raw meat and left overs with the exclusion of a few foods that are toxic to dogs. he gets veggies, grains, dairies.... whatever my kids throw on the floor.... thats 'expired' in my ridge or any fruit or veggies that are a little more ripe than we like it. dogs really are great creatures for putting away healthy left overs. but no more than MAX 20% of his diet is left overs and thats on a leftovery week. thankfully we dont waste much!

sorry for the epic post!! i hope you figure this out and please dont hesitate to ask questions!!! even if they sound 'stupid'... betcha i asked exactly the same ones at some point.

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If you don't feel comfortable going with raw I would switch to a grain free kibble. Orijen (www.championpetfoods.com) is my favourite brand but there are others....just google "grain free dog foods". Also, check out our Food Forum here as there's lots of great information.
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Excellent suggestion Rainbow. I've recommended Orijen to two friends thus far and have heard nothing but pawsitive news from the switches (one being extreme allergies).
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we tried Mister on Canidae and still had issues. id *love* to find a kibble for supplementing (company in town, traveling, convenience....) but it still made him itchy. i have to drive over 2 hours to pick up a bag but every so often a friend heads out to the ONE North Carolina store's area (ie within 15 minutes of there anyway) and i will see if they can pick us up a bag of it. i can get Evo but it was pretty pricey for not knowing if he would react to it or not.

my ONLY angle for this dog going raw is its a more 'complete' diet than cooked chicken and potatoes (although that wont hurt for a few weeks!!!!!) and its very very simple being only one animal protein.

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It seems like alot of dogs with allergies do better without grains.
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i can get Evo but it was pretty pricey for not knowing if he would react to it or not.
I don't know about down there but up here Orijen is $10+ cheaper than EVO.

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my ONLY angle for this dog going raw is its a more 'complete' diet than cooked chicken and potatoes (although that wont hurt for a few weeks!!!!!) and its very very simple being only one animal protein.
Orijen 6 Fish is a single protein grain-free kibble.
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sorry, just to clarify, i didnt mean a single animal protein food, i meant a single source food. raw chicken everythign is just that, raw chicken... no preservatives, no veggies or yeast or supplements.... its just plain chicken (or beef). i meant to say its the simplest thing right off the bat thats not terribly hard to find, probably the least expensive meat out there and its *just* chicken, no other additives. its a temp diet thats full of nutrition but still as simple as a diet can get.



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Your vet is an absolute moron or just wanting you back for more $$

It's generally known by even lay people that antibiotics CREATE a fungus infection because they attack 'all' bacteria including the good healthy bacteria we and all living organism need to survive. Putting an a/b on yeast is like giving the yeast free reign to take over.

See it works like this, healthy bacteria keep the yeast at a level where it doesn't over produce and create a fungal infection. The healthy bacteria prevent the over production of yeast cells. If this bacteria is killed off through either lowered immunity, antibiotic or steroids (or lack of natural mucous secretions ie: dryness) then the yeast have a party and continue to party until they are stopped.

I think you need to take your dog to a different vet, DON'T treat with antibiotics, ask them to do a swab, to culture the swab AND to do a GRAM stain on it and the dogs poop, have them check it under the microscope for yeast.

Probiotics are natural bacteria we all have but in a condensed form.
You can get it from yogurt, best if not sugary and best to be organic (for yu and your dog)

If your dog has yeast don't let her lick your face, wash your hands after because it can be transferred from her to you. Just make sure you get a true diagnosis before hand.

IF it 'is' yeast for 'sure' then she needs to avoid foods which contain yeasts and sugars. Both will make it worse.
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well thanks for all the info. The medicine the vet gave me was for a yeast infection. She was treated once before for that by the vet I used to go to until I moved to this small town & it worked like a charm just like monastat works for humans. I planned on taking her to another vet recommended in Jacksonville, FL who has a more modernized practice. I know at one time I had to take her off of wheat in fact both came off of wheat. I'll let you know what the outcome is. Thanks again for the good information. I have to say I am a little nervous about going to a raw diet. Probably because I know nothing about it. Google here I come.

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I have to say I am a little nervous about going to a raw diet. Probably because I know nothing about it. Google here I come.

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Here are some raw sites for you to check out, if you're interested:
http://rawfed.com/
http://www.4loveofdog.com/feed.htm
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