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Old September 3rd, 2005, 12:20 AM
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I am so frustrated wwatching the CNN coverage of Katrina. As one of my collegaues noted, it is mesmerizing. I worry about the children and the pets and the elderly and everyone!! I cannot help but wonder - like the mayor of this wonderful city - what the h is taking the govt so long!! And why the pres did not visit the victims - like he did in the other states and on 0/11? There is a double standard there I fear.

I cannot help but think back to the Halifax Explosion - which occured during world war one - when a train filled with health care professionals from Boston and environs arrived on the scene within 48 hours and Upper Canada sent help not much later. A tent city was set up, in spite of a horrible blizzard - and the exiting hospitals that had not been blown to smiterenes (sp?) rose to the task. Why are we not doing that now.

I know Canada is sending our war ships from Halifax full of supplies - and many of us have volunteered our services - (tho been told it is too dangerous!, this to medical people who have been to Bosnia and worse, I mean, c'mon!) . But my God, if this effort is not increased exponetially, more poeple will die and the oputbreak of serious disease will be the next catstrophe - in addition to the levees and the fires. Officials of both provate and public agencies keep inisting they are sending x numbers of supplies but to suffering ppl, this means nothing when those supplies are not there.

People need to forget politics of all sides. Yes, the fact that 40% of the Nat Guard is in Iraq does not help and yes, it does not help for these guys (and they sare mostly guys) hold self congratulatory news conferences or blame the other parties But that doe snot help the immediate situation. In Drs without Borders, we have faced maybe not worse but certainly guns pointed at us, people stopping our caravans and stealing and looting. No one ever suggested this work is easy so why on earth are these rescue groups sitting back? There are people depending on looters for food - it is just so heartbreaking and sad!!!

One of my best friends, a nun, is in NO and she stayed behind to help. I finally heard from her 2 days ago and she spoke of unbleivable scenes- reminissant of things I have seen in African countries and the Middle East. People left to die, esp the most vulnerable. Surely to God in North America, we can do something NOW!!!!

That's my rant for the day - This entire situation just upsets me to no end!!
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Old September 3rd, 2005, 10:08 AM
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I am an American and I have never been so ashamed. I was in the military when I was younger, my ex husband was active duty Air Force the whole time we were married and my current husband is National Guard stationed in Iraq. I KNOW what military response times are and I can promise you, if they had gotten permission from the Federal government sooner, they would have been there sooner! National Guard units from other states must be Federalized before they can help in disasters in other states. I know that Michigan's Army National Guard was called up on Thursday afternoon . This should have and could have been done so much sooner!

Last weekend, as Katrina moved through the Gulf of Mexico, the President declared several states in a state of emergency. Among them was Florida. This would allow those states to get Federal Aid, call up their own National Guard units to help, etc. I am at a loss as to why help wasn't moved closer to the affected areas on Monday so that when the storm passed help wasn't ON HAND almost immediately. I watched t.v. this weekend and saw the same weather reports and predictions that everyone else did. Was I the only person that saw that several southern states where going to be missed or just get some rain? Couldn't supplies and troops spent a few hours in one of them and moved into affected areas Monday afternoon or late Monday night.

I was in Germany when the communist government in Russia collapsed. I can promise you that food, blankets and medical supplies from the U.S. got there in a timely manner. And yet, our own citizens are left to fend for themselves for days!
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Old September 3rd, 2005, 10:52 AM
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very sad

The whole situation is so very sad.

I don't understand why the reaction time has been so slow, and there are still people who have not been rescued. I'm surprised that there was not a plan of action in put in place after the last flood, so that things could move quickly if it were to flood again.
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Old September 3rd, 2005, 11:18 AM
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I was just about to start a thread on this,i NOW finally see what all african americans have been saying all along,SHAMER SHAME SHAME ON US HERE IN THE UNITED STATES,I am beyond pissed and am in total shock of what i am seeing they are going through, I guarentee you if this happend in Hollywood or West Palm Beach Florida,those people would not be living among human feces and it NEVER would of taken 4 F****** DAYS TO GET PEOPLE THERE TO HELP.i HAVE A WHOLE DIFFERENT OUTLOOK ON bUSH NOW.aND THEY HAVE THE NERVE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT LOOTIN,YOU CAN BET YOUR A** I WOULD BE TO..iN THE ASTRODOME I WATCHED THEM INTERVIEW A LADY AND THEY ASKED WHERE ARE THE RELIEF WORKERS WHERE ARE THE COPS,WHERE ARE THE NATIONAL GUARD,SHE SAID NONE OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE THERE,,,,I have never been so upset about an issue before this,i am in utter shock and shame of this country i live in.SHAME SHAME SHAME ON BUSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Old September 6th, 2005, 01:57 PM
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I know there is reasons why it took so long but honestly I can't see how it would have taken that long. I asked myself the questions too about if it where west palm beach or Malibu would it be different and I think it would and that just out right scares me.

Although I don't think it was done spitefully to delay the response but I do believe there was a loss of urgency on the governments part. I also don't think people can properly consider the scope of this disastor. Its pretty damn huge and that is something that is hard to prepare for. But again shouldn't have taken that long. Why was the national guard driving around the superdome with their rifles up but no food or water. They couldn't drop some supplies even if they were being threatened. People died for no reason. NO REASON because of lack of supplies and coordination. Sure they had national guard there quelling the looting but you know what let them loot.
I feel sad for the whole situation.

I am too mad. Just don't know where to direct it. I see a whole load of things that went wrong.

For one they should during a mandatory evacution provide buses and shelter out of the state for those that couldn't afford it. Sure you can sit there on TV and say Mandatory evacuation but if you have no were to go and no way to get anywhere your stuck. And stuck is what most were. Then if you have catergory 5 heading to a fish bowl like NO then you need to set aside some troops with supplies already packed and planes, trains and automobiles ready to go and waiting for the storm to stop and out they go.

How many lives would those two measures have saved? And am I an elected official or even university graduate... no its common sense!!!!!!!
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Old September 6th, 2005, 02:39 PM
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I know there is reasons why it took so long but honestly I can't see how it would have taken that long. I asked myself the questions too about if it where west palm beach or Malibu would it be different and I think it would and that just out right scares me.

Although I don't think it was done spitefully to delay the response but I do believe there was a loss of urgency on the governments part. I also don't think people can properly consider the scope of this disastor. Its pretty damn huge and that is something that is hard to prepare for. But again shouldn't have taken that long. Why was the national guard driving around the superdome with their rifles up but no food or water. They couldn't drop some supplies even if they were being threatened. People died for no reason. NO REASON because of lack of supplies and coordination. Sure they had national guard there quelling the looting but you know what let them loot.
I feel sad for the whole situation.

I am too mad. Just don't know where to direct it. I see a whole load of things that went wrong.

For one they should during a mandatory evacution provide buses and shelter out of the state for those that couldn't afford it. Sure you can sit there on TV and say Mandatory evacuation but if you have no were to go and no way to get anywhere your stuck. And stuck is what most were. Then if you have catergory 5 heading to a fish bowl like NO then you need to set aside some troops with supplies already packed and planes, trains and automobiles ready to go and waiting for the storm to stop and out they go.

How many lives would those two measures have saved? And am I an elected official or even university graduate... no its common sense!!!!!!!
When this is all said and done, we're going to find a complete failure on the part of local officials - the Mayor of New Orleans, city council and local disaster officials - to provide a credible local disaster plan and to execute it.

These are the things you do BEFORE the emergency happens, BEFORE its a federal problem.

The Feds get their share of heat as well given the bureaucratic delays in the early days but there is absolutely no way that rescuers should have discovered YESTERDAY (1) an old folks hospice with half the people dead and 2) a hospice for the mentally handicapped with half the people dead.

Those people should have been noted, accounted for, planned for, evacuated and cared for BEFORE the hurricane hit. . . . . and only locals know those local details.

The people of New Orleans are likely unaware of what comprises a competent LOCAL disaster plan and therefore are likely unaware of how badly their local officials let them down, making it easy to point at the Feds. That means the Mayor is getting a free ride right now.

As one example, when flooding was occurring in Okotoks Alberta a few months ago, there was a line of school buses outside my mother in law's old folks apartment complex at four in the morning, waiting to evacuate them.

An official in High River, Alberta, as water was rising in the streets, phoned the building I periodically occupied to find out if I was there or not, a rather astonishing attention to detail given the population of over 10,000.

You didn't see that attention to detail on the part of LOCAL officials in New Orleans BEFORE they lost their communication network.

There is no excuse.

The old, the infirm and the mentally handicapped were left behind when the mayor yelled "RUN!!" He's slapping himself on the back for getting 80% of the people out of the city when all of them basically drove themselves. Meanwhile he left the most vulnerable behind AND didn't account for them even when the Feds began to arrive en masse.

An amusing note in a tragic situation is that of the 1,400 animals at the New Orleans Zoo, only three were lost. The Zoo says it had been planning for this disaster for years. Maybe they should give some tips to the Mayor.

There will be lots of asses to kick when this is said and done. Top to bottom though, not just the Feds.

At the bottom of a Los Angeles Times column appearing a few days ago is this note that came out of the 1927 floods on the attitude of New Orleans:

Novelist Ford joined others in questioning whether New Orleans could ever regain its lightness of being, its sense that come what may, the good times would roll. When impending disaster was only theoretical, the city seemed to accept that though the end might be near, little could be done to forestall it.

"That's the structure of living in New Orleans," he said. "People feel that the place is doomed at some point, but they're going to stay. It's just a way of dealing with the end that's different from other ways of dealing with the end."


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Old September 6th, 2005, 03:02 PM
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There's a lot of blame to go around for this. As Rick said, the local government is responsible for the lack of planning.

Besides the slow response, the federal government should be blamed for not providing the necessary funds to strengthen the levees. This was an inevitable storm and the Army Corp of Engineers should have been given the money to protect the city (as they have been requesting for years).

Unfortunately this is all too common for natural disasters. Since they happen infrequently people and government have a tendency to forget the risk and choose to spend money on other more glamorous things. A perfect example is earthquake preparedness in Washington. We have the Alaskan Way Viaduct which is a busy double decker freeway that runs along the Seattle waterfront. It was damaged in the 2001 earthquake and everyone knows it will most likely collapse in the next major earthquake. Thousands will be killed if it occurs during rush hour. Are we replacing it? Of course not...the public, local and federal government are balking at the cost. We also have numerous unreinforced masonry buildings in the old part of town. Are they being retrofitted with steel frames? Nope...costs too much. Buildings such as these are no longer allowed in San Francisco. There will be a huge outcry though when hundreds or maybe thousands are killed when they collapse.

I can go on for days about earthquake preparedness issues that are being ignored in the western US ( and probably western Canada as well)...not to mention other natural disaster issues. People forget about the dangers they live with over time.

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I hate to say it but BLACK AND POOR says it allllll.,......
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I hate to say it but BLACK AND POOR says it allllll.,......
And the rich white Mayor of New York today says he would never leave people behind like the black mayor of New Orleans did.

Bloomberg noted that city cops and firefighters regularly practice dealing with a range of natural disasters and would not be caught flatfooted.

He also emphasized that the city would assume responsibility for taking care of poor residents who likely wouldn't have cars or money for transportation.

"We have evacuation routes," he said. "We have ways to call and get MTA buses to take people out if they don't have automobiles."


http://www.nydailynews.com/front/sto...p-293505c.html

You're going to see more and more of this as people begin to quiz their local officials about local disaster plans. . . . . and it will always come back to a comparison of what the Mayor Of New Orleans didn't do.

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Okay, nothing has irritated me than people playing the race card. I've been hearing it a few times over the past few days, and for anyone who wants to play that, I have some very good news for you--white people died too. Granted, there may be some truth to the theory that the economic make-up played a role, but the theory that decisions were made on the colour of the people is ridiculous. Do think that all the white people were in the lunch room making plans, and when the black people who work for FEMA and the government walked in, they suddenly changed the subject? Or maybe Whitey was watching CNN and went, "Oh crap! There's a fellow caucasion swimming in the dark man's filth! We better get someone down there and get him out!" Or maybe they were just acceptable losses to the man trying to keep a brother down?

This whole thing was bungled, that's for sure. But it gets me really hot everytime something is screwed up, and if it isn't only white people suffering, then it must be because of racism. It was unpreparedness on the government, local, state and federal, and arrogance amonst the various agencies. Several cities and groups tried to help and were turned away by FEMA, or the state government. Wal-Mart sent in several trucks, and were turned away. Chicago tried to send down a large convoy of water trucks, and were told by the governor, "We only need one". Everyone involved wanted to look like they had it all under control, and they didn't. Then it spiralled out of control.
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Charity Hospital says it all. Its right beside a private hospital. Helicopters got out all the patients in the private hospital including staff, well Charity a public hospital had people being hand pumped air into their lungs in place of ventalators, looters and others dying on the tarmac. Lets just say the other hospital evacuated days before and even their very minorly injured patients got out before sevrely injured and sick patients in the public hospital. These people were dying while they watched patients from the private hospital walk theirselves to a waiting helicopter. I understand the private hospitals and patients have insurance and that is what paid for the med copters but come on man... people dying? For what? because they didn't have private health care insurance.

Not only is it racism but classism.

Its very sad. I don't know who to blame but it certainly starts on all levels of government. Your right rick, they just squashed a plan to fix the levies b/c of money, then there was not a proper evacution plan for all people and those that are less privleged. Then knowing the state that NO is in (under sea level) have military prepared and ready to go. But they didn't. The military needs permission and they didn't get it right away from Bush.

We offered our military the next day and Bush said he'd let us know. And other countries found the same red tape all in the name of politics.
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Your right schwinn but I think racism is a factor in the superdome b/c they didnt even drop supplies and when the national guard went out there it was all about protecting merchandise and they drove around and around the superdome with their rifles yet NO FOOD OR CLEAN WATER? Would that have happened if this was west palm beach. And unfortunantly I would have to say no. I think though its more classism then anything.
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Would that have happened if this was west palm beach. And unfortunantly I would have to say no. I think though its more classism then anything.
I can't argue against the classism, but again, there were plenty of white people suffering too. I've seen plenty of pictures of black people being interviewed and the tragedy, and if you look in the back ground, there are lots of white people. The common thread amongst everyone suffering is there socio-economic status, not thier colour.
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Your right schwinn but I think racism is a factor in the superdome b/c they didnt even drop supplies and when the national guard went out there it was all about protecting merchandise and they drove around and around the superdome with their rifles yet NO FOOD OR CLEAN WATER? Would that have happened if this was west palm beach. And unfortunantly I would have to say no. I think though its more classism then anything.
You do know that the black mayor and his mostly black city council were the guys who were initially responsible for positioning food and water there and it was the black mayor and black city council who were urging all helicopters to look for people on rooftops rather than delegating tasks like servicing hospitals and the tens of thousands in shelters.

You'll have to provide some evidence that it wasn't the Mayor or his local disaster staff who didn't order the evacuation of one hospital while leaving the other to molder. Or that the order was racially motivated. You'll also have to explain why the racially preferenced hospital sat without contact or supplies for days before Whitey exercised racial priviledge.

As the New York Times, hardly a friend of GW Bush, said today: "It was chilling, to put it mildly, to read Mayor Ray Nagin's comment in The (Wall Street) Journal that New Orleans's hurricane plan was "get people to higher ground and have the feds and the state airlift supplies to them.""

People screwed up top to bottom but there isn't any evidence race was an issue. There's lots of evidence blacks and whites didn't know what they were doing.

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I just think that if the same had happened here in Montreal, it would be FAR FAR FAR FAR beyond the scope of Tremblay's abilities. Sure the mayor of New York says he'd be equipped, but New York is practically a country of its own compared to New Orleans. They say there was a little over 2 million people? Well, Montreal's MUC is 3 million, and there is NO way they'd handle it without immediate help from the army and from other provinces. NO WAY. We don't even have the resources to fill friggen pot holes. How would they be able to air lift thousands of people?? No way.
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I can't argue against the classism, but again, there were plenty of white people suffering too. I've seen plenty of pictures of black people being interviewed and the tragedy, and if you look in the back ground, there are lots of white people. The common thread amongst everyone suffering is there socio-economic status, not thier colour.
I agree that it wasn't racism...which is why I was intentionally ignoring those posts.

It is fairly evident that it was mainly the poor people who suffered...regardless of race. Evacuations were ordered but it doesn't appear there were any (or at least not enough) provisions to help people get out that didn't have their own means to do so.
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Another thing to look at is what percentage of the population of New Orleans is black. I think it is pretty high. That is why when you see the victims on TV the majority are black.
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Another thing to look at is what percentage of the population of New Orleans is black.
That's correct. If you look at the statistics 95% of N.O. is balck, so of course most of the people left behind are black. How could they not be?
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I'll be honest with you Rick I truly think that the response would have been different if these were folks from a predominently affluent white suburb. Honestly I hate the race card too. But this just gave me the worst feeling in my stomach and I know most others I have talked to feel the same. Im talking about the superdome incident and only that.

I will take the word racism away but it certainly is no doubt classism. Black or no black mayor.


One commander himself said we were ready but weren't given the word to go in until Bush did his fly by. .To even get in their in the first place they had to wait till Bush gave the go ahead and that was on whatever day he did his first fly by. Had nothing to do with the mayor. He was begging at this point for national guardsmen. Your right I dont know who was in command once the guardsmen got in there but to think they drove around over and over that superdome with rifles pointed and not even equiped with water.



As for the hospital thats all about class. As I said it is more an insurance issue and a public private issue as I assume. I never said that was a race issue at all or I should say I didn't mean it that way. I meant the clear line for those that can afford and those that can't. You have to rememebr the scene of people literally dying well a patient from the other hospital with a broken leg walks to the copter on the other roof of a private hospital.
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Race or not i guarantee you respond time would of been alot faster if this happened in Malibu or Washington,,,,,,...
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Its 70% black, 28% white and 3% asian.


They had the military in there and still no supplies b/c of shooting and looting. They can handle iraq and afghanistan but not maybe 40 bad people out of the how many that were there. Couldn't drop supplies? It was handled differently for sure not intentionally but it would have been different.
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I just think that if the same had happened here in Montreal, it would be FAR FAR FAR FAR beyond the scope of Tremblay's abilities. Sure the mayor of New York says he'd be equipped, but New York is practically a country of its own compared to New Orleans. They say there was a little over 2 million people? Well, Montreal's MUC is 3 million, and there is NO way they'd handle it without immediate help from the army and from other provinces. NO WAY. We don't even have the resources to fill friggen pot holes. How would they be able to air lift thousands of people?? No way.
Well, you did have a disaster in Montreal and across Quebec in the bitter cold of 1998 didn't you? Described as the worst natural disaster in Canadian history. The Ice Storm.

About 4.5 million people without power, communication, supplies, blocked roads, etc in the depths of winter.

A brief Wikpedia description:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Canada_ice_storm

A first person recollection:

http://windupradio.com/icestorm98/

The lessons learned from an emergency preparedness analysis had this to say, among other things:

Another factor to be recognized is the subject of handling pets in emergencies. Today's pet owners no longer are prepared to leave their loved companions at home, just to respond to an evacuation. Working with animal rights agencies will become standard procedure if we are to continue upgrading the quality and effectiveness of our response and recovery efforts, while at the same time, maintaining the most important commodity public confidence.

Without doubt, preparedness is the key. The value and role of plans, training, exercises, public education, emergency information and scientific advice, were reinforced as the keys to emergency management success. Add to these the need for resources planning and arrangements and the list becomes more complete.


http://www.ocipep.gc.ca/ep/ep_digest/aj_98_fea2_e.asp

Lastly, I found this pretty interesting in this document I looked at on the topic:

In an emergency, someone has to take control, direct efforts and keep the situation from getting out of hand. Like a hurricane, the eye of the storm has to be calm and steady, while chaos swirls around it. A plan of action, elaborated beforehand and tested by simulations, is the base on which authorities can lay the foundations of their operations. Without a plan, the law of the jungle - survival of the fittest and strongest - takes over. Without authority, there is no authority. You have to have some one who takes command, who has the authority vested in him or her from some higher authority or self activated.


http://www.imiuru.com/icestormdiary/1pages/Lessons.html

You keep hearing that over and over . . . . . but there's no indication the local officials in New Orleans were anywhere prepared to handle a foreseeable emergency.

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Wow! Lots of opinions - I disagree Prin re the mayor of Mtl. or at least officials. The ice storm was handled quite well - I know ppl may have been without power for a considerable time but not many died and there is not what you see in NO. I think it involved all levels. The ice storm affected the Maritimes and Maine and there were very few problems.

I was upset about the situation at Charity Hospital tho but in some ways, that has more to do with the way the US health care system is structured, they pay for a system they do not have - they pay more per capita than we do and yet... anyway, that is another issue but a Couty or public hospital is not a priority for insurance companies. In other words, it is an economic issue.

I am not sure it is a race issue either. New Orleans just happens to have a majority of its city comprised of African Americans - and also has many poor people. And the safety net is just not there, unfortunately or is it is, it is marginal.

I agree with Rick about why local officials did not know about those residences. Here, we are mandated by law to provide fire and rescue with he blueprints and layout of our hospital - and seniors' residences, etc. The same is true for small villages. I recall helping my grandmother when she was still alive fill in the local fire dept's very detailed questionnaire about her home - who lived there, howe many rooms,. who sleeps where - even pets. So, NO should have had that info.

I heard on the news last nite that the Natinal Guard was compiling info about the city's infrastructure - grid by grid. That info is already available and the specific info they need should be avail NOW!!! THat it is not is a reflection.

Yep, there is lots of blame to go around but the important thing is do save everyone they can now. I do not understand why the US refuses aid from ppl they disagree with - like Castro or Chavez. Cuba has excellent dorctors who are world renowned in helping other countries. So, I am at a loss to understand that. It does not mean they have to agree with the doctors' politics - Gawd, I just hate hearing all this nonesense when people's lives are at stake!

I am still reminded of disasters I have helped out in here that often occured in the winter months and no one died. Or the Halifax explosion which endured a blizzard the next day!! They had few resources but things happened quickly!
Anyway--- let's hope things continue to improve. I do fear more lives will be lost tho - and just all the trauma, lost jobs and families, disease and pollution will also contribute to this already awful situation.

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Well, you did have a disaster in Montreal and across Quebec in the bitter cold of 1998 didn't you? Described as the worst natural disaster in Canadian history. The Ice Storm.

About 4.5 million people without power, communication, supplies, blocked roads, etc in the depths of winter.

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The difference was, we still had homes. We still had FOOD. We still had WATER. All you had to do was buy a generator or wood stove and you were good as new. The lowest our house got was 1.7 degrees- without heat, fire, etc. That's not even below freezing! That's by far not nearly as bad as losing power and losing everything, on top of not having any water, or food!

The roads might not have been cleared, but they were still easy enough to navigate. And of course, we still had GAS.
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We still had WATER.
Well, you had ice, anyway...
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The difference was, we still had homes. We still had FOOD. We still had WATER. All you had to do was buy a generator or wood stove and you were good as new. The lowest our house got was 1.7 degrees- without heat, fire, etc. That's not even below freezing! That's by far not nearly as bad as losing power and losing everything, on top of not having any water, or food!

The roads might not have been cleared, but they were still easy enough to navigate. And of course, we still had GAS.
Well, I wasn't comparing the two - only the pre-planning and lessons learned from the aftermath - but . . . .l don't think you're going to get anywhere anyway trying to minimize the impact of the 1998 ice storm.

Just had to buy a generator? Sure. Where? And a what price? Wood stove? Where? At what price? You and the other one million homes without heat? Only 1.7 degrees? That's actually worse than 30 degrees celcius in terms of survival.

There were 700 communities in Quebec alone isolated and without power.

A first person narration of one shelter in Montreal as it gradually filled up and finally lost its own power, with one bus to evacuate 500 people . . . . http://www.imiuru.com/icestormdiary/...heShelter.html

Sounds like a real piece of cake.

Anyway, I wasn't comparing the disasters per se . . . merely the lessons to be learned from them, which was my only point.

As an example, the importance of preparing for a total wipeout of communications, something that appears to leave local officials in these kinds of situations on their own in the initial days, therefore making their own local pre-planning all the more important.

The importance of pre-planning tasks in the event of certain types of disasters and failures.

The importance of exercising and practicing those tasks.

The importance of practicing inter-agency tasks.

Etc., etc, etc. . . . . those are the lessons learned in 1998 that appeared to have never made it to local officials in New Orleans.

In the post-mortem of New Orleans, we'll probably see a lot of those top to bottom lessons brought into focus . . . . again.

Don't mind me Prin . . .

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Well,in all this,the director of FEMA will be taking the fall..I read in a Swedish newspaper.Sweden is ready to go,with water-purifying equipment and other supplies,but got the response from FEMA,they are not needed..the same for other countries.
What is it with the US government,to proud to get the help their people need..politics has no place in this matter,people AND animals need help!
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I know this has been horrible and the government wasn't prepared but I'm kind of offended by all the US bashing that has been going on. I'm not a particularly patriotic person but I do love my country and I think this could have happened anywhere, including Canada. Unless you are in the situation you really don't know how it would turn out for you.
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