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Old August 3rd, 2005, 02:37 PM
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Large breed puppies are not supposed to eat puppy food?

Any truth in this? I checked and compared a few so called "controlled growth" puppy chows with regular puppy chows, the only difference is protein content: controlled growth is lower in protein, usually less than 24% as compared to at least 28%.

So would it be OK to just feed large breeds adult dog food? They'd grow up slower, but with stronger bones. Am I completely out to lunch?
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Old August 3rd, 2005, 02:53 PM
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Puppy foods are formulated for requirements of puppies. The growth period is the most important time. Like children they need more good fats for more than physical growth, they also need it for brain development. All puppies big and small should be on puppy formula until they are 1 yr. Any puppy that is a large breed or prone to growth abnormalities like displasia should be on the lb formula, to slow down growth w/o eliminating everything else the formula offers.
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Old August 3rd, 2005, 02:56 PM
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What's a lb formula?
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Old August 3rd, 2005, 02:58 PM
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lol, large breed
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Old August 3rd, 2005, 03:37 PM
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Gotcha. LOL

I did notice however that some of the better pet brands like Wellness or Solid Gold don't carry a "large breed puppy food" variety.
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Old August 3rd, 2005, 03:43 PM
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There are some brands that only offer puppy/ adult. I would go with puppy and watch for speed of growth.
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Old August 3rd, 2005, 04:38 PM
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Actually, Solid Gold's large breed puppy formula is called WolfCub. It's what I buy for Hazel and Parker. The problem is that with most puppy foods, they also have more calcium than you want for a large breed dog, as well as higher levels of protein. Giant breeds like newfs are even more sensitive to the normal puppy food. You can feed a large breed normal puppy food, just not for as long. My breeder has a clause in her contracts that states you will switch to adult food by 6 months of age. I convinced her to let me feed Parker and Hazel their puppy food for a while longer than that. I don't think she would allow it for everyone, but I sent her the link to the Wolfcub food and she agreed that it would be okay. I think she's more used to folks wanting to feed cheap foods and she promotes Pedigree since one of her family's newfs is used in their advertising. I would say that it depends on what kind of puppy food you are feeding, and what breed of puppy.

Here's a link for WolfCub food: http://www.solidgoldhealth.com/produ...id=61&code=180
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Old August 3rd, 2005, 09:47 PM
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Thanks Kandy, good to know this. I too am concerned with the protein level in puppy chow. My vet advised me not to feed Diego high protein diet, her exact words were "he'll grow up slower, but will have stronger bones".
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Old August 3rd, 2005, 11:52 PM
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It's all about the protein sources too. Purina uses a lot of corn in their foods, and that contributes to the numbers but the doggies have a hard time absorbing anything from the corn.

The solid gold is more meat based, so it's easier to absorb (once they get used to it...).
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Old August 4th, 2005, 12:17 AM
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It's all about the protein sources too. Purina uses a lot of corn in their foods, and that contributes to the numbers but the doggies have a hard time absorbing anything from the corn.
Exactly Prin.

This is why the first 5 ingredients should not contain corn.

My dogs,past and present(GSD's)have all been switched to adult at 6 months.My breeder did this with all her dogs also and advised new owners to do the same.And I can say that none of my dogs ever had hip problems.Maybe alot of it has to do with switching them to the adult and not over exercising them as pups....
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Old August 4th, 2005, 12:38 AM
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Alot of large breed owners and breeders agree with this.I do too.

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So would it be OK to just feed large breeds adult dog food?
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Old August 4th, 2005, 08:47 AM
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When Bear was a youngun, we started him on a certain large breed puppy food, and about 6 weeks after starting the food, he stopped using his back legs. Numerous tests, x rays, etc later, turns out that the food was making his bones grow faster than the tendons and muscles could keep up, thus the pains he was having. We pulled him off of that food, and put him onto another brand where he did much better.

Kaos is also on a large breed puppy food, and doesn't seem to be having any problems.

I prefer to keep them on large breed puppy until they're about a year old, just a personal preference.
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Old August 4th, 2005, 09:31 AM
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Maybe alot of it has to do with not over exercising them as pups....
This is the key to lessening the chances of displaysia in giant breeds. Our breeder gave us copies of articles with test results showing that if you keep your newf from jumping on & off furniture (in & out of vehicles, etc.), avoid making them go up & down stairs everyday and keep their other exercise to short sessions (no more than 20 minutes at a time) until they are 18 months, their chances of developing non genetic hip & elbow displaysia are quite a bit lower than if you let them do whatever they want as pups. The only unrealistic part of the tests were that they kept the pups inactive by keeping them kenneled. Although I try to keep Hazel and Parker from overexerting themselves, I must admit that I can't lift Parker anymore - so he has to jump into the backseat of the truck or at least put his front paws on the seat and I'll lift up the butt. Hazel doesn't like vehicles, so hubby has to carry her to put her in. Once a pup gets so big, it's hard to carry them everywhere so you can make sure they aren't stressing the joints. The best exercise with the least joint impact was of course, swimming.
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Old August 4th, 2005, 10:42 AM
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This is the key to lessening the chances of displaysia in giant breeds.
Big time.Even with the large breeds,as mine is.This is why I cringe when I hear people saying the want to take their Lg/Giant Breed pups for long jogs,or have them along side of them when they bike.This is a big no no to me.

This is why with SchH training they start at 18 months.With the Protection part of the drill there is a ton of chasing/running,turns,being lifted off the grown and jumping.

My cousins GSD got Pano at 5 months.Unfortunately it was caused by him going up and down the stairs alot.And for all the xrays and medication,the vet bill was $3000.

Yes a tired puppy is a happy puppy,but the exercise doesn't have to be all physical,it can be mental.I know when I have to do much thinking it tires me out....
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Old August 4th, 2005, 11:14 AM
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One of the vets that I see told me about a study that was done with great danes.
They took 6 dane pups 2 were mainly walked, 2 did nothing, 2 mainly played. When they were 2 yrs they were put down and tested.
Results: The ones who did nothing was the worst off, players came next and the ones who mainly walked had the best results.

A puppy, especially the large breeds should never run on hard surfaces until they are atleast 18 months. Playing where they are jumping and twisting should be kept to a minimum.

My dane breeder feeds her pups large breed puppy and suggests they continue on it until they are 1 yr as I do. Mind you there are brands are better than others to use for these big guys. Keep track of their speed of growth and adjust accordingly.
I believe type of exercise and genetics tend to play a larger part than food when there are problems such as displasia.
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Old August 4th, 2005, 11:54 AM
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My female dane's breeder advocates NEVER feeding puppy food of any formulation.

A dane is a Giant breed NOT a large breed and the large breed foods are not formulated for giant dogs. Far too many people feed puppy food to danes and they end up with a host of developmental problems, like Pano and HOD.

My male dane's breeder is nothing but a BYB and know's diddly about dane nutrition.
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Old August 4th, 2005, 12:09 PM
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Little guys get HD too,Pugs being the second most common breed.French Bulldogs and Shih Tzus also rank higher than Sheps.Saints and Newfs are high.
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Old August 4th, 2005, 12:31 PM
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Because of the business I am in I am constantly watching the movement of dogs. Sad to say I have had to suggest to many of my students to take their dog to the vet to have knees/hips etc checked.
In this area Goldens/ hips, Poms/ knees, I see problems in these breeds much more often than any other.
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Old August 4th, 2005, 12:53 PM
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Keep track of their speed of growth and adjust accordingly.
Stacey, how do you do this? How am I suppose to find out the *right* growth for my pup?
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Old August 4th, 2005, 01:06 PM
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My female dane's breeder advocates NEVER feeding puppy food of any formulation.
Puppies of any breed still need the nutrition found in puppy food - Giant breeds just shouldn't get puppy food for as long as other puppies - but they should still have it at least for awhile. Although I don't feed pedigree, this article is pretty good: http://www.pedigree.com.au/puppy/nutrition/
My newf breeder puts in her contracts about the length of time to feed puppy food, and attachs the articles about the importance of limiting exercise and not allowing jarring of the joints til they are 18 months old.

I know that I had found a better article when I was researching dog foods, but I can't find it now!
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Old August 4th, 2005, 01:07 PM
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What kind of puppy do you have?
Call your vet, check up, you can even take your puppy in to get weighed n/c anytime you like. Even the vet tech can give you an idea of where they should be for their age.
Weight gain in puppies indicates growth. If you have noticed this is what your vet keeps a record of. If you do regular checks you will notice if there is a jump in weight. It tends to be the jumps that you want to avoid. Slow and steady is what you want.
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Old August 4th, 2005, 01:13 PM
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Montana is turning 2 this month and still has to grow into his skin, his chest hasn't filled out yet. We figure he is going to contiue growing until he is around 3 yrs. He grows very slowly.
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Old August 4th, 2005, 01:51 PM
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Question on the exercise topic...my Max (5 1/2 month Boerboel) is taken to doggie daycare everyday. They tell me that he plays only for one hour and then he goes to his bed and sleeps the rest of the day, on his own volition. Later at night, I take him for walks for training time.

Does anyone think the doggie daycare is too much? He is playing on a rubber coated surface.
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Old August 4th, 2005, 02:03 PM
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Everyone has an opinion on this,and some foods,like raw, home cooked and Canidae etc do not have a puppy formula at all.Id never use puppy food for a large or giant breed pup.
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Puppies of any breed still need the nutrition found in puppy food - Giant breeds just shouldn't get puppy food for as long as other puppies - but they should still have it at least for awhile.
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Old August 4th, 2005, 03:25 PM
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I weigh my pup every week, he's a mix of golden/lab retriever, he's almost 7 mo at 55 lbs now. He does get regular checks from vet, the thing is, the vet is not sure what he is, he could be a mix of any of the following breeds: golden retriever, lab, NSDT retriever, Collie, so the vet can't really tell if he's at his desired growth rate.
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I saw that on the list,poor little Poms are #1 for luxating patellas.
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In this area Goldens/ hips, Poms/ knees, I see problems in these breeds much more often than any other.
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Old August 4th, 2005, 04:55 PM
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I saw that on the list,poor little Poms are #1 for luxating patellas.
Now I'm going to have a nightmare.
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Sorry. Chows are #2, have you looked at the lists?
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