Need help in regards to my new puppy

[justalittle]

Hello all, I have recently purchased a miniature schnauzer salt and pepper... He is now 8 months old and I adopted him in January. I have never owned a puppy before but I am now madly in love with my little treasure "Malcolm" When I purchased him, I had no understanding really about registration etc. Yesterday I went back to where I adopted him, I guess it would be called a back yard breeder, and I met the mom and grandmom of my Malcolm. At the time of sale I decided I wouldnt buy his papers. He is now neutered, and very healthy. I asked the Breeder about his papers as I thought I might like to have them. He does have a breeder tatto on his belly, and even though I will not stud him and I dont think I would even show him, I still thought it would be wonderful to have his papers showing his linage and such. Speaking to the breeder she says it costs about 250 dollars to get his papers now that he is 8 months old. When I went to the ckc site I saw that it only costs 32 dollars to register him. Perhaps it is more if you register him late, but at the time she did tell me he was registered but it would be more for his papers and now wishes to charge me 250 dollars. I could use some advice to find out if that truly is a reasonable price to acquire his registration papers. Thank you for your help.

[StaceyB]

You can't stud or show him if he is fixed.

[Luba]

I say fishy fishy fishy to me.

Not a reputable breeder or they would have given you the registration papers when you purchased the dog.

[justalittle]

Thank you I didnt realize that, but is it still possible to get his registration papers?

[justalittle]

Yes I think its fishy also, but at the time I didnt have a clue... but he is a healthy happy lil guy and I love him to death... so all is good

Marilyn

[StaceyB]

Contact CKC as I don't think you would get the truth from the breeder, scam artist.

[Luba]

Be very wary of any papers that you may get / recieve from this so called breeder BYB as u put it...I've come across many mills and byb's that produce fraudulent documents and make them 'look' authentic if you know what I mean.

Would love to see a picture of your doggie and yes I'm sure you just love him to death

[justalittle]

I would love to post a few pictures of my lil beauty I will have to get some up later today. I just emailed CKC and hopefully they can guide me. but when it comes down to it... I will just love my darling papers or not.. Grins, yes I have turned into a big suck with my puppy. I now see why dog owners would pay out so much to keep their puppys healthy. Before I thought all dog ownners where nuts.. but I have leapt onto the band wagon... Grins

[Lucky Rescue]

Before I thought all dog ownners where nuts.

We are! Or maybe I should speak for myself only!

[chico2]

Dog/cat owners,Pet.ca members,we are ALL nutters

[Daniac]

It is ILLEGAL for a breeder to "sell you papers" for your dog. All purebred CKC Registered dogs in Canada must be sold for the same price whether you get the papers or not.

Call the CKC and report the breeder! And call the breeder and DEMAND YOUR papers!

[mona_b]

Originally Posted by Daniac

[COLOR=DarkGreen]It is ILLEGAL for a breeder to "sell you papers" for your dog.

Exactly.

Not only that,but under the CKC pedigree act,it is illegal to sell puppies without papers.All registration is done by the breeder.The pupies are registered at birth,then they are registered one by one.When you buy the pup,the breeder then fills out the papers and the pup is put in YOUR name along with the breeders name and addy.And the Sires name is on it.And there is no added fee on your part.

This so called breeder probably didn't fill out the papers.And the price is not $250.

My question to you is,are both parents registered?If not,then you cannot have yours registered.Both parents must be registered for you to register yours.

And yes....Pics PLEASE......

[justalittle]

Well I was told that both parents were registered and that the tatoo GT 911 was his breeder tatto. But given what I know now versus what I knew then, I certainly wouldnt lay money on it.

I have enclosed a few pics of my Malcolm. He has just been a perfect dog. I got him at 6 weeks old and we crated him from that first night... He has always slept through the whole night. He now sleeps with us.. Malcolm in the Middle you bet.. but he still likes going into his crate during the day at times. We started with puppy piddle pads and we have never had to clean up a mess of poop or pee. about three weeks after we got him, he decided to go outside for the first time, and since then has never gone inside or had an accident. He brings his leash to me when he needs to go out. How I managed to be this lucky with my first puppy ever is beyond me. We went to puppy kindergarten more for me then Malcolm .. I found it wonderful though. He has been lucky also that the neighbour has a lil ****zu bichon cross who is a few months older then Malcolm and they play every day together.. We take them every day to the park where they run and run and run, roll and tumble and wrestle. They play hard for at least an hour... maybe thats why he sleeps through the night. I heard that minature schnauzer's had a horrid horrid bark, so I had picked up a bark collar (which I prompltly returned unused after reading the board)... but I have been lucky he just doesnt bark no matter how many dogs kids people etc are around. The only time he barks is when we are playing. We took him for his first camping trip last weekend. I spent about 15 min walking the site with him... and he seemed to get the boundaries and he did not once the whole weekend wander off the site. I guess he figured the campsite was his home, so he would bring me the leash to take him to poop and pee, he wouldnt go on his own site. He loves wearing clothes and will go get something hop up on my lap and wait tell I put it on him. Then he is happy. He even has muscle shirts for the hot weather. I can not believe just how much joy this little guy is bringing to me, I would never have believed you could love a creature this much. I dont think he knows he is a dog though so dont tell him K!

I think I can only post one pic at a time so will do a few.... cant resist showing off my pup.. Thanks again all.

Marilyn and Malcolm

[justalittle]

Another Pic

[justalittle]

Would you believe another... grins

[justalittle]

One more of my baby

[justalittle]

I forgot how cute he was until I went looking at pics

[justalittle]

He loves his daddy toooo!

[justalittle]

Ok I promise this is the last one for now.... you have created a monster should never had told me I could post pics... grins

[Luba]

Well thankya for all the pictures. He is such a cutie pie and all dressed up...to go to a pupcake party hahaha!!

Very nice pictures

[Lucky Rescue]

You are very lucky to get such a good dog from such disreputable backyard breeders, who sell puppies at 6 weeks old (illegal in many places) and tried to sell you registration papers.

Malcolm (love the name!) is utterly adorable!!

[mona_b]

OMG

What a cutie patootie.

This is definately a BYB....No reputable breeder would sell their pups at 6 weeks..

Oh I know that bark...LOL..

A neighbour up the street from my dads has one.And man can Joey bark..And it's a high pitch yappy bark..LOL

[justalittle]

I was not aware of that.... I actually got him right on the day of 6 weeks. The more I am learning the more I realize you should find your pet through a reputable breeder. I do feel very lucky that I got Malcolm and he is healthy and happy. I am wondering if this byb is doing this all the time I would hate to see someone else get snowed and I worry now about those other puppies. The mom of Malcolms is pregant again. When we got him it wasnt that it was cheaper to get it him from her.... just that I fell in love with him. My husband (of one year) has had several dogs over the years so I kind of figured he knew what he was doing.
Thanks

Marilyn

[StaceyB]

That is too soon, she shouldn't have bred mom again that soon. Sounds like the breeder is just out for the buck.

[mona_b]

Originally Posted by justalittle

I am wondering if this byb is doing this all the time.

Oh big time they are.You were not the only one.

BYB's do not care about their pups,they are in it for the money.And thats all.They do not do any health or genetis testing.

Reputable breeders usually sent their pups home between 8-12 weeks.
Reputable breeders also show and title their dogs.

My dogs came from a reputable breeder.

I was put on a waiting list before the Dam was bred.
Her dogs were Show Champions and Titled in SchH III(Shutzhund)
I got them at 12 weeks.
Both Sire and Dam where OFA,OVC certified.
She belonged to the German Shepherd Club of Canada
She took back any pups for one reason or another
I was put on a neuter contract.I had to have them neutured at 6 months and had to show proof from my vet.If I went against the contract,I would have been fined $5000.
I recieved my CKC papers when they were 6 months old.I picked them up from the breeder.There is absalutely no extra fee for this.

See the difference between the 2 breeders?

You can also find your pet at the shelter or a breed rescue.....

BUT,if you do decide on a breeder,you need to do a ton of research on them.

[CyberKitten]

I just scanned this but you definitely went to a byb - reputable breeders have long waiting lists and will mentor you in showing your dog. A dog who is neutered cannot be shown except in the Pets category.

The best place to find good breeders is at dog shows (or cats at cat shows and by talking with reputable breeders.) Anyone can buy registration papers - they are for the most part meaningless. You need to have the riggt papers and the pedigree.

Sorry you had to learn this the hard way but at least your little one is healthy. Many who buy from byb's have unhealthy dogs or kittens with no knowledge of the background or genetics.

Also, (just read about the [puppy's mom being pregnant so soon, yikes!!!!), NO reputable breeder would do that. At most, a dog has puppies once a year and then is retired after maybe 3 yrs. There are so many diseases that unspayed females are suscepitble to that good breeders are very careful.

Also, you would pay more for a dog who is uneutered because that would mean you might be breeding in which case you need to pay for breeding rights. In my case, I bought a show quality Siamese cat not because I planned to show her tho she was the one I wanted. She was twice the cost of the pet quality kitten in her same litter because she was almost perferct for the breed standard , ie show quality. So, if you dog is show quality, that is again costlier.

[justalittle]

unreal that these breeders do this, and I see the huge difference between the two. She didnt even ask anything about me our home what we would be giving him, nothing. The only quarentee she gave me (didnt realize any breeder would guarentee him) was I could bring him back for a full refund as long as it was in the next 48 hours. We took him that day to the Vet and Malcolm has been throughly checked, blood tests done, neutered, microchipped, tattoed and fortunately for us.. he is very healthy but I sure see now the risk in dealing with byb... If I ever again get a puppy again I will go through a reputable breeder... but that would be way way in future. I am very happy with just Malcolm

Thanks
Marilyn and Malcolm

[justalittle]

I have never planned on showing him... so having him neutered is all good. I actually went just to hopefully get his papers out of interest... would like to see his linage. I pretty much love having a spoilt puppy but a well behaved one.. chuckles

What is involved in showing a dog... (pet category)

Thanks
Marilyn and Malcolm

[CyberKitten]

I only know about showing cats (and even there, I am more spectator). But I am fostering two lovely Sphynx who have won many awards. I actually spayed my show quality Siamese - she is happier and healthier for it.

Showing is a world of its own and there are many web sites and prob some members here who can tell you more about dogs. With cats, you need to register for shows and the cat should enjoy it. You meet other neat cat people (dog people in your case, lol). There are many categories and cats acquire rosettes for Best of Breed, Best of Show, etc. I think it is more involved with dogs - With cats, judges assess their breed standard but dogs have to be walked by their trainer or owner in front of judges and go thru hoops - figuratively speaking and maybe literally - can't recall, lol

Most reputable breeders are extremely picky about who their adopt to and their contract stipulates that if anything happens to the cat (or dog), they want the animal back. With pet quality, you usually acquire the sgo already neutered or the contract states it must be done and a good breeder will check up on you.

Most good breeders will work with new dog owners to help them. And you never pay for registration papers- they come with the dog at the time od purchase. You should report this person to the BB and other reputable dog agencies. How did you find her?

[CyberKitten]

Here is a web site about showing dogs:

http://www.showdogsupersite.com/

and it contains a fairly good article on the difference between good and bad breeders:

http://showdogsupersite.com/kenlclub...al/k9j001.html