Labradoodle breeder/kennels information please

[lezzpezz]

Has anyone ever heard of or dealt with **** Kennels or ****** Kennels, both in Ontario. They are both breeders of Labradoodles and Goldendoos and Ausiedoos. I have a co-worker who is interested in perhaps acquiring a mini labradoodle, as they are advertised as nonshedding and nonallergenic. I have directed the co-worker to this site to research opinions/facts/misconceptions etc. on designer breeds and their breeders, so she has her work cut out for her. I have followed many posts on all of the above and decided it in her best interest to read read read all of the info here on pets.ca so she can make an informed decision. I have explained that there are millions of homeless beautiful dogs to be found in shelters yadayadayada, but she going to research for herself.

[lezzpezz]

These folks are also very open to any suggestions for a dog that sheds little and is relatively quiet, compact and preferrably a puppy. It doesn't have to be a labradoodle. Anyone out there have such a nice dog that might pique the interest of my co-worker? The first one that comes to mind is a schnauzer! Also, does anyone remember the thread re: non-shedding/hypoallergenic falacies? I seem to recall that pretty much all dogs shed to some degree and there is no such thing as nonallergenic dogs. Correct me if I am wrong.....

[Eleni]

A Bichon is great for allergies, they dont shed much at all, my husband is allergic to most pets but my Bichon/poodle cross doesnt bother him in the least.


might want to be careful if your looking for a designer breed dog tho, many of those breeders are only out for the cash and you could end up with a situation thats so much more trouble then its worth


Eleni

[Safyre]

labradoodle just makes me laugh... sorry.
To my understanding, there is no such thing as a hypoallergenic dogs.
There are however, some breeds that loose thier fur and dander less, therefore being easier for those with an allergy.

Here is a list of 'low dander, low shedding' dogs

Basenji
Bedlington Terrier
Bichon Frise
Irish Water Spaniel
Kerry Blue Terrier
Maltese
Poodles
Portuguese Water Dog
Schnauzers
Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier

I'm not sure what you meant by a 'compact' dog. When I think of compact, the only dog that comes to mind is the Bulldog!

[amber416]

Right, there is no such thing as a completely non-shedding dog. I agree with Eleni about bichons, though. Growing up, we had three (purebred) bichons, and my dad, who is severely allergic to animal hair (to the point where our rabbits would make him really sick) was never bothered by the dogs.

[LavenderRott]

The fact that these kennels offer more then one designer breed of dog tells me that they really don't care about what they are breeding - just the money they will be able to make.

Labradoodle, Goldendoodles and Ausiedoodle are MUTTS with a fancy name.

[Gazoo]

Originally Posted by LavenderRott

The fact that these kennels offer more then one designer breed of dog tells me that they really don't care about what they are breeding - just the money they will be able to make.

Labradoodle, Goldendoodles and Ausiedoodle are MUTTS with a fancy name.

nope not fancy......dumb names

[smudgie]

Yes, I Lezzerpezzer's co-worker and my family is looking for a puppy. I would like to hear about experiences with breeders in southwestern Ontario of small dogs and preferrably dogs that don't shed or irritate allergies. Picky, picky, but we are looking for a long-term relationship and are trying to make an informed choice. We'd like to hear some positive stories about small dogs and breeders.

[Gazoo]

Originally Posted by Safyre

Here is a list of 'low dander, low shedding' dogs

Basenji
Bedlington Terrier
Bichon Frise
Irish Water Spaniel
Kerry Blue Terrier
Maltese
Poodles
Portuguese Water Dog
Schnauzers
Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier

And how about getting one of these dogs from a responsible breeder that cares about the health of the dog.

Kennels that breed doodledogs breed crossbreds and sell them for stupid prices and are in it for the money----not the well being of the dogs

I've heard of people paying $1400 CDN for one of these crossbred doodlemutts. Thats just @#@$!%@$ crazy on so many levels.

Or better yet how about adopting a dog from a rescue or SPCA rather than a doodlemutt and donating the other $1000 or so to a charity.

[LavenderRott]

While you are looking for positive stories about breeders, IMHO that is not going to help you find a puppy. I know a lovely woman that had a wonderful experience with a breeder when she got her puppy. Now, a year later, she has $11,000 in vet bills and no end in sight. And the breeder certainly isn't offering to help pay those bills.

The list posted above is a great list for low shed breeds. Check them out at www.akc.org to learn more about each breed. You should be able to discover from there which one fits your family pretty well.

After you pick out a breed, search the net to learn about genetic issues in the breed. What problems are the dogs prone too?

Then look for a RESPONSIBLE breeder who not only shows the breed in several venues (conformation, obedience, tracking, etc.) but does all the testing for genetic issues. The breeder should have as many questions for you as you do for them.

[amber416]

You seem pretty set on buying from a breeder. If you don't mind me asking, how come? Not that there's anything wrong with buying from a responsible breeder (no mutts that means), but why not give a shelter animal a much needed home instead? If you go on petfinder you will find lots of small dogs and if you are set on a designer mutt, those are on there as well. Unfortunately I can't give you any suggestions for breeders...when my parents got our bichons (around 10 years ago), they were not educated on BYB's and puppymills so two of our bichons came from BYB's and the other, my mom found out later, came from a puppymill. Luckily she was okay healthwise but my aunt purchased a dog from the same mill and she was not so lucky. After many, MANY vet bills and numerous health complications she had to be put down. So be careful and do your research if you decide not to go with a rescue.

[Mom_Of_Two_Dogs]

Shih Tzus are another wonderful breed to take into consideration -- they're low shedding, low dander and for the most part, very quiet. A good place to look for breeders is the Dogs in Canada annual magazine; along with a listing of breeders they also give info on the breeds. I got my dogs from breeders advertised in Dogs in Canada; while the ones I bought from were responsible, you do still have to be VERY careful and make sure any dog you get from a breeder has been screened for genetic health and temperament problems.

http://www.dogsincanada.com

My Scottish Terrier doesn't shed much (if at all). The only time fur seems to come off of him is when I'm brushing and the dead hair comes out.

I'll second the option of adoption!

[Copper'sMom]

The way I see it:

Windex claims to be streak-free but I still end up with streaks!!!

[happycats]

You could try. www.dogbreedinfo.com.

Hope this helps !!!

[Lucky Rescue]

Anyone peddling "Labradoodles" etc. for big bucks are just more scam artists pulling a fast one on people who believe whatever they are told and do not do their homework.

These dogs are mongrels and you can get one at any pound, shelter or rescue in the country.

a mini labradoodle, as they are advertised as nonshedding and nonallergenic.

"Minis" now? It just gets worse and worse!

If you are allergic to dogs, I suggest fostering one for a rescue and see how it goes. No one can guarantee any dog to be "hypoallergenic". That's just another scam.

[Safyre]

Bichon's are good, so are Coton Du Tulears for being low shedding.

Smudgie - There are tons of websites that you can go to that will have quetionaires that will ask you things about temperment, coat, how much room you have for the dog.. all things that should be considered when getting an animal. You answer the questions, and they will give a list of the best suited dogs for you.
You said you would prefer a 'small' dog, just wondering if you can define "small" . mean, my dog is 15 inches at the shoulders and i consider her medium sized dog.

I agree with the other people on here. These 'breeders' are giving the mutts a name. You can find the same combination at shelters and rescues.
Labradoodle, Goldendoodles and Ausiedoodle are NOT recognized breeds, they are mutts. There is no standard for the 'breeders' to go by, and therefore, you really can't be sure of what you are getting.

[happycats]

Hi smudgie, I don't know where you are located, but the THS has a few dogs that I think don't bother alergies.
they have 2 yorkie/poodle X, a maltese, as well as a lhasa apso/pekeneseX
a pug and a boston terrier!! chek them out on. www.torontohumanesociety.com.

[CyberKitten]

I am zipping my lips except to say -- please don;t advise anyone to get a labradoodle. There is aboslutely no way anyone can promise a hypoallergenic dog. These sites promise it but most are disreputable breeders in it for profit and have no science behind them. They claim to have the best of each breed but anyone with a basic genetics course knows how foolish that statement is.

I won't repear what I and others have said before in this lengthy discussion:

http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread....ht=labradoodle

There is a woman in southern NB who charges $1000 each for the babies of her labradoodles and alas, I am reminded of PT Barnam's observation that there is a sucker born every minute. Uf she wants a mutt, tell her to go to the SPCA or a Rescue. If she wants a hypoallregenic dog. I am not sure what to say about that - poodles themsevles are not bad in that they do not shed but they still have hair. If she likes cats, she could get a sphinx but even they are not allergy free.

[greaterdane]

I would suggest the Bichon. We had one for 15 years and no shedding. They have fur that is the same as a sheep. They do require regular grooming but it pays off because they are adorable all fluffed up. Great little dogs that arent so little that you step on them. Donut would intimidate anyone who came to our door, he barked as though he were a shepherd. People assumed we had a large dog and would look for one when they came in because all they would see was little Donut, the 18lb Bichon Frise.

[Eleni]

yep I totally agree with Bichon,

Tho everyoen is right there isnt a thing as a hypoallergenic dog, some are jsut better about shedding less then others

i ahve a bichon/poodle cross and his fur is like the previous poster said like sheep.

he sheds the very tiny amount and my husband who is allergic to dogs tolerates it well.

but his allergy isnt severe so it could be different in your friends case.

why would they want a dog if they are allergic??

Eleni

[wjranch]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Yes, I Lezzerpezzer's co-worker and my family is looking for a puppy. I would like to hear about experiences with breeders in southwestern Ontario of small dogs and preferrably dogs that don't shed or irritate allergies. Picky, picky, but we are looking for a long-term relationship and are trying to make an informed choice. We'd like to hear some positive stories about small dogs and breeders.

HI Smudgie Welcome to the board. I know of a couple of ' doodle' breeders around here. I would suggest they are nothing more then a puppy mill... they fit the description to a TEE! Even if they're 'hand rearing' or advertising only 1-2 litters per year.
They are asking anywhere from 900 - 1200 Canadian Dollars for these mutts! Are you aware of the health issues that surround the Golden Retriever breed? There are quite a few from what I understand and it is IMPERITIVE the breedings be very carefully choosen. Any Golden breeders on this forum who could back that up??
I seriously suggest you research breeds to find what fits your requirements exactly... Then the hunt for a reputable breeder begins, ask questions, and expect to answer many yourself...as a good breeder won't just hand over a pup for cash.
You say you are interested in a 'small dog' ... what do you consider small? I have a Doberman and he's considered by the CKC to be a 'medium' breed.... So, that must mean anything smaller then .......say an aussie, is a 'toy breed' ?
What other considerations do you have for a dog? How much time do you have to devote to housebreaking? and training? What about daily exercise requirements? All of these questions (I really hope I don't sound rude or pushy here) are important to find the right fit... If you could post some answers to these, i'm positive someone will be able to help you make an informed decision and possibly help you find a dog

[lezzpezz]

Hi there. Wow! You guys are very thorough. I should have fun at work today with Smudgie! A veritable fount of info here. I had explained to Smudgie to expect as much, and the forum did not let me down. I thank you all. Much for the Smudgester to consider and perhaps a little light shone on the subject. Having known Smudgie for years and the fact that Smudgie has experience in dog ownership in the past, a smart educated decision will be made, one that is best for all concerned. It is wonderful that Smudgie chose to participate on this forum and that you have all given sage opinions and advice. Once again, I thank you for being both polite and informative to this newbie! Later!

[Lucky Rescue]

They are asking anywhere from 900 - 1200 Canadian Dollars for these mutts!

Hard to fathom, isn't it?

For less money, you can get a gorgeous purebred poodle, from champion and health tested parents with impeccable pedigrees.

[Bearsmom]

Originally Posted by Gazoo

breed doodledogs breed crossbreds

Try saying that five times fast

[BMDLuver]

Often, with allergies to dogs, the family member will not be allergic when the dog is a pup but will start showing signs of allergies around the 10month to a year mark as their adult coat comes in. Just something we have seen from experience so wanted to mention.

[lezzpezz]

Just an update......Smudgie is off to see a Havanese breeder and may be purchasing a pup from them, but is willing to wait for the right dog, and is not being hasty in decision making process. We have loaded her up with info! Is aware of things to ask and what to look for....will keep you posted.

[wjranch]

AWESOME NEWS!!! Yeah Smudgie for being so smart

[msteele34]

Hi folks,

I wanted to respond to all of you who wrote off Labradoodles as mutts/joke dogs. The labradoodles were developed in Austrailia in response to the need for non-shedding guide dogs. They are bred to have the best qualities of two wonderful breeds: the labrador and the poodle (usually standard poodle).

There are con artist backyard breeders for this dog, as with any other type but there are also responsible breeders.

We have a 4 month old puppy from a local breeder. He is probably going to shed some as his fur is more wavy than curly but he definitely has the amazing temperment described by Labradoodle lovers. He is very calm, sweet, loving and smart. He is not quite as goofy as a lab (ie not bounding into everything and everyone) and has none of the tempermentalness of SOME poodles. His puppy class teacher is amazed at his focus and maturity (of course he is still a baby and can act his age at times). He also has the benefit of being less likely to have the health problems associated with inbred/overbred purebred dogs. He has what they call in the plant world, "hybrid vigour". He is an awesome dog and I think if you met him, you would think twice about dismissing the labradoodles good choice of dog. If you want accurate info on Labradoodles, go to the TEagan Park website and you will learn a few things.

[Lucky Rescue]

Your puppy sounds wonderful and I"m sure you love him a lot.

He also has the benefit of being less likely to have the health problems associated with inbred/overbred purebred dogs. He has what they call in the plant world, "hybrid vigour".

He is only less likely to have health problems if both parents were tested and cleared of ALL genetic defects common to BOTH breeds. If this was not done, then it's a crap shoot and puppies could inherit the problems of either or both breeds.

Whoever told you about "Hybrid vigour" was giving you a line. Hybrid vigour exists only in the crossing of two different species, i.e. Horse x donkey = mule (hybrid) Since dogs are all the same species this does not apply.

They are bred to have the best qualities of two wonderful breeds: the labrador and the poodle (usually standard poodle).

Since Labs and poodles have not been bred long enough to breed true, the guarantees of no shedding or whatever are also false information used to peddle mixed breeds for big bucks.. Wonderful, smart, loving mixed breed puppies can be found at nearly every shelter.

[Trinitie]

Hi msteele34, and welcome to the boards. What you say is true, about the labradoodle - they were originally bred to be guide dogs. What most people here don't like, nor can I blame them, is the fact that even though this particular dog was bred to try and get a new type of guide-dog, most BYBs jumped on the "designer dog" bandwagon when the labradoodle became popular. Many types of poodle cross dogs started popping up all over the place. All were claimed to be "hypo-alergetic" and had the "best qualities" of the two breeds. I will not start the debate again, but thought I would put my two cents in.

I'm glad you have a wonderful pet.