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Old March 1st, 2005, 04:19 PM
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Dang it, dang it, dang it

I am sooo peeved off about this ban. I know it was inevitable, but geez louise (good at avoiding profanity ) This is a horrible horrible day for Ontario. Those people should be so ashamed of themselves for following a goon faced monkey man like that butt hole.
The very sad thing is that majority of them sit there, they don't listen, don't care, just vote with the majority. I would bet that 50% of them don't know what they just voted on. It's sick sick sick. I am sooo upset right now. So let down, and so disheartened. More reason to move from this stupid ridiculous province.

The worst part is we KNEW this was coming, we KNEW this would happen. I was prepared and now I'm letting this "man" get the best of me. I hope he gets mauled by a shih tzu. I hope it bites every piece of him. I hate Michael Bryant.

I'm just on the verge of tears thinking of those poor dogs in shelters to be euthanized....there's going to be soooo many... people that don't want to deal with fixing their dogs, don't want to microchip, don't want to muzzle... just don't want the hassle... the flood of dogs will just break my hear.
That's my little rant for now. :sad: :sad: :sad:

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Old March 1st, 2005, 04:44 PM
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Election in 2007 - Prepare now

The Liberal's are done. That's it. Work against them in all they do. Write letters on any subject,: Nurses, Education, Greenbelt - everything. They must be totally destroyed in the next election. You can't bring down the party..bring down the nearest geographically located Liberal - that includes Bryant's neighbourhood.

This will go to court. Bryant's law will be thrown out and the law will be as impotent as he is. War is war and there can be no innocent Liberals. If a Liberal helps you across the street push him back into the traffic once you are across.
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Old March 1st, 2005, 04:55 PM
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To lighten the mood:

Where we live, there is going to be a provincial by election (Ernie Eves stepped down).

Sunday morning, there's our doorbell ringing. I answer the door (with Bear headbutting my legs to get at whomever is there), and it's our local Liberal candidate.

Now being that it was 9am, I asked what he wanted, let him do his spiel, he asked if he could count on our vote.

After I wiped the tears of laughter from my face (with Bear still headbutting my legs), my reply was, "are you f(*&^&^(*)*&n serious!!!???". I told him it would be a cold day in hell before I voted Liberal. He asked why. I politely reminded him that hubby and I have to pay almost $900 in the new provincial health tax, and that I hated their pit-bull ban. He sheepishly thanked me for my time. I said, "excuse me, but what kind of dog does this look like?" He says, "he kind of has a pitbull head".

"No," I said "he's a lab, mastiff and rottweiler mix". "Educate yourselves about the breed".

Then I slammed the door. Felt good. (shoulda let Bear charge at him, but Bear would have just kissed him to death)

I didn't doubt this ban would get passed. With a Liberal majority holding seats, there was no way it would get voted down. I will remember this, I will NEVER vote Liberal. EVER.
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Old March 1st, 2005, 04:58 PM
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i am a little confussed i just read the highlights and found this

In order to protect existing pit bulls from a mass cull, a grandfather clause is included in the legislation that would require pit bulls to be muzzled and leashed in public.


Does this mean the Pitbulls in shelters are safe?
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Old March 1st, 2005, 05:56 PM
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No.

No. Only owned pit bulls are safe. Bryant plans on eradicating those in shelters and that is why there was an amendment to the animals for research act.

Every dog deemed to look like a pit can no longer run through an empty field of long grass, chase a ball into the water or roll in muddy puddle.
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Old March 1st, 2005, 06:09 PM
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They are being treated like a caged bird now... clip their wings, make them stay inside that little square cage.. sad.. they can't romp and play like they want anymore, that's the biggest joy of being a dog.. is to just run, chase a ball, play with a kid.. their lives are ruined because of these morons. It's really just sad. You think about all these pics that have been posted of pits running around playing in the snow, playing with other animals, kids, things like that and you sit back and think, this time 3 months from now, they can't do that or they risk being killed. What's the point in being a dog if you have to be treated like bird?
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Old March 1st, 2005, 06:35 PM
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So all pit bulls in shelters will be put down>??????????
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Old March 1st, 2005, 06:47 PM
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Ditto on heidi's question...and what about pbt x's? I have seen some mix breeds, such as lab x that can be mistaken for a pitty. How and who draws the line?
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Old March 1st, 2005, 06:48 PM
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So all pit bulls in shelters will be put down>??????????

Soon it can be said that the lucky ones will. I will never forget this and the Liberal's will never again have my support for anything.
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Old March 2nd, 2005, 01:17 PM
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To Karin and Heidi ---> Within the bill they have included any "pit bull type dog" - pretty much anything that looks like a pit bull will be included.

Therefore, if the shelter is holding a lab/mastiff X - it looks like a pit bull and therefore is included.

The pit bulls and dogs that "look" like pit bulls in shelters will be euthanized and/or turned over to reasearch facilities for furture testing. There is little to no hope for these animals, unless the law doesn't not get the royal "seal of approval".
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Old March 2nd, 2005, 02:22 PM
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Old March 2nd, 2005, 07:28 PM
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To Karin and Heidi ---> Within the bill they have included any "pit bull type dog" - pretty much anything that looks like a pit bull will be included.

Therefore, if the shelter is holding a lab/mastiff X - it looks like a pit bull and therefore is included.

The pit bulls and dogs that "look" like pit bulls in shelters will be euthanized and/or turned over to reasearch facilities for furture testing. There is little to no hope for these animals, unless the law doesn't not get the royal "seal of approval".
They can't do this! This is one species away from what Hitler tried to accomplish! This is the work of yet another evil mind, (or many) wanting to control....sick, downright SICK!
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Old March 3rd, 2005, 08:49 AM
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Unforunately Karin, they can :sad: ... the passed the law giving the every right to. That's why people who have been following the ban and reading the proposed legislation are SOOOOO mad about this. Is not just the fact that they are singling out one breed of dog and not holding any humans accountable for their actions, it's the sick and demented small things that are included. :sad:
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Old March 3rd, 2005, 09:31 AM
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I was one of those voters who was exstatic seeing the last of Eves,Harris and the rest of the arrogant,meanspirited PC's,I happily embraced the Liberals and their promises of a kinder government,boy was I wrong
They've been on a killing-spree since day one,killed off thousands of animals,now it will be dogs...
There is no chance I would ever vote PC,Harper is a bigotted a-hole...
So what's next....Green-party???? NDP??
This Law,the same as the gun-registry(costing us millions) will only punish responsible owners and innocent dogs,drugdealers,killers and other crooks are not known to be lawabiding citizens and will no more register their dogs than their weapon of choice....it's a moronic way to deal with a problem.
By introducing the long awaited Anti-Cruelty Law,most of the problems would be solved,an animal that kills,most likely does not have an animal-loving responsible owner behind it and this person should be punished with more than a slap on the wrist.
Sammiec,I sooo understand your despair,I have this feeling of sadness that will not go away and I don't even own a dog...sadness for the poor dogs,facing life in labratories or masskillings,it's indeed a very sad day for Ontario :sad:
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Old March 3rd, 2005, 10:21 AM
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don't forget the marijauna party! It is a sad day in Ontario. I always prided on being Canadian, today not so much.
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Old March 3rd, 2005, 10:26 AM
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I don't care if there's no chance for them to win, the NDP gets my next vote. Thanks to Peter Kormos!
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Old March 3rd, 2005, 10:45 AM
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It's a sad, sad day for democracy....

I voted liberal at the last election (unfortunetly, in Quebec, if you don't vote liveral, you're voting for Parti Québécois -- who want independance from Canada .... so we're sorta stuck between a rock and a hard place) but I will never vote liberal again. The green party gets my next vote. Sorry, liberals but you're the next ones to be BANNED

Everytime I think of all those little wiggle-butts who'll be put down just because of bad owners... it makes me ashamed to be human.
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Old March 3rd, 2005, 04:17 PM
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You know what I have noticed every person, letter, editorial that supports the ban keeps saying that why do pit owners even worry no dogs will be killed. I have heard this like atleast 5 times. Bryant is using the word grandfathered to blind people into thinking no dogs will die. That we will neuter and thats all that is needed they will just die off. Anyone else notice this. I just wrote the star regarding an editorial of theirs stating that no dogs needn't die. All with the fact that Mr. Bryant doesn't mention the ammendment to the animals for research act. This really bugs me because I know how many dogs will die.
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Old March 3rd, 2005, 04:25 PM
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Luvmypit...a dumb question,what is grandfathering??? Also what does Bryant mean with "ammendment to the animals for research act"?
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Old March 3rd, 2005, 04:47 PM
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Oh my gosh.. I am so sorry...
This is terrible news. I cant believe its come to this.
A sad day for democracy indeed.. :sad: :sad: :sad:
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Old March 3rd, 2005, 04:50 PM
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Bryant is evil

It was an amendment to ALLOW research facilities to own pits. Pits they have demanded from a pound.

Under the provincial Animals for Research Act, a pound operator must make a reasonable effort to find the owner of an impounded animal.

After waiting a minimum of three days, the pound may sell the animal to a registered Ontario research facility.

If a registered research facility requests an animal that is to be euthanized, the pound has to sell it.

http://www.cruelscience.ca/pound-news.htm

The Ontario SPCA breaks this law everyday. Hopefully they will continue to.
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Old March 3rd, 2005, 05:14 PM
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TDAC,thank you.....the whole idea of research done on unfortunate animals in labs,whether they are former pets or not,gives me a sick feeling of despair,however that is another topic,with no solution or resolve :sad:
I knew it is common practise to hand over unwanted animals to research,our HS here in Oakville swears up and down they do not sell or give animals for research.They had a GDS who spent two years in the shelter,finally found a home last summer.
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Old March 4th, 2005, 03:24 PM
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Chico Grandfathering means that owners of pits can keep their dogs until they die. Meaning we can as long as we spay/neuter, muzzle and keep on no longer then 6 ft. lead and registered. Really instead of euthanizing them. So the last pits in Ontario would be in about 10 - 14 years. I don't know if he thinks hes doing us a favour because it would be a very cold day in hell if they ever ever think of coming to my house to collect my dog for PTS. Ofcourse that does not apply to shelter dogs. They will be PTS I believe 60-90 days after the bill is implemented.
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Old March 4th, 2005, 04:27 PM
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Thank you for clarifying that for me,Luvmypit....I would defend my cats to their last breath,just the same as you would your dog,they'd have to step over my dead body,to get to my animals
I feel soo bad having voted Liberal and convinced several people to do so :sad:
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So all pit bulls in shelters will be put down>??????????
No, it is my understanding that all PBT's and their associated crossing will be shipped of for medical research. It was an amendment to the bill.
Makes me want to puke! I personally get through the day imagining medical research on Micheal Bryant!!
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Old March 7th, 2005, 02:35 PM
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No, it is my understanding that all PBT's and their associated crossing will be shipped of for medical research. It was an amendment to the bill.
Makes me want to puke! I personally get through the day imagining medical research on Micheal Bryant!!
You're right, many will end up beign shipped out for research, but many will be put down. As soon as Windsor passed their ban, many animals were PTS the following days. I would prefer to see them put down then tested, proded and tortured... :sad:
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I agree Sammiec,there could be no worse fate for any animal,it's a horrid inhumane way to treat animals....I just hate M.Bryant
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Old March 7th, 2005, 06:28 PM
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Not that it matters much but it may matter a little. The SPCA has refused to surrender animals for research although the research facility has the right to demand them.

Of course if they ever forced the issue any SPCA that was being pushed could find a wall of supporters willing to blockade the building if needed. Of course press would be on hand so it's likely that it won't be pushed and any SPCA will simply euthanize the pit bulls.

No it doesn't help much but why should these animals after all their breed has been put through suffer one more indignation at the hands of man. Better to fade off in the arms of someone willing to ease thier way.
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So Sorry for everyone and every sweet dog this will effect.

I agree with Twodogsandacat
" Every dog deemed to look like a pit can no longer run through an empty field of long grass, chase a ball into the water or roll in muddy puddle."

Very well said All breds are equal and should be treated as such.
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