H1N1 vaccines strange

[Love4himies]

Bendyfoot: I was watching a report and it was stated that for h1n1 to be contagious by touching something there would have to be a large number of the h1n1 virus that transfer to your hands, unlike the cold virus, you only need one. It is extremely rare to catch the h1n1 by touching a contaminated surface, it is normally spread by being close to somebody who is coughing or sneezing.

[bendyfoot]

That doesn't make any sense. All viruses self-replicate. You only need one virus to make many millions of viruses in a human body. You don't get SICK from one, but one is all you need to start any infection.

Who was reporting that?

[mollywog]

I received the H1N1 vaccination 2 weeks ago, and my arm is still tender around the injection site. For the first 5 days or so it was really painful when dressing or undressing. I also experienced a migrane for the entire next day after the vaccination. Both of these reactions were listed as "normal".
I work around small children, most who live on a First Nations reserve (higher risk factor), so this is why I decided to get vaccinated. The stuff I am hearing now kind of scares me, and I'm still unsure about whether or not I made the right decision.
Did anyone else here experience side-effects after your vaccination??

[aslan]

well i am a smoker and asthmatic on top of it and survived H1N1. I was around 2 people specifically when i was getting sick and neither of them caught it. What we need is people to use friggen common sense. If you don't feel well STAY HOME. taking 2 weeks off work affects me financially of course, but atleast i didn't spread the flu on. It totally ticks me off going into a store, office whatever and hearing people hack up a lung. People are beyond selfish when it comes to considering others.

[bendyfoot]

Most people will experience some level of reaction; your immune system kicks in and starts working to produce antibodies-this results in symptoms very similar to very mild flu (achiness, headache, fever etc.). Pretty much everyone I know who got the shot reported a super-sore arm for a few days (I get this reaction from any intramuscular vaccine, including the "regular" flu) and at least some general "icky" feeling. Perfectly normal immune response IMO. It's only really considered a "reaction" if you have an immediate, negative (i.e. allergic) response, in which case it would have been detected by the medical staff during your wait period right after getting the shot.

[Love4himies]

Originally Posted by bendyfoot

That doesn't make any sense. All viruses self-replicate. You only need one virus to make many millions of viruses in a human body. You don't get SICK from one, but one is all you need to start any infection.

Who was reporting that?

Viruses are not alive, what they do is invade cells and change the DNA or RNA, can't remember which, it is the replication of the invaded cells that cause the problem. The scientist did not go into detail why a cold virus that touches the eye or nose or mouth can cause illness. Maybe that is the difference between what is considered "air borne" and other ways to get illnesses . I will try to find it on the internet so I can post it here.

[Love4himies]

Originally Posted by aslan

well i am a smoker and asthmatic on top of it and survived H1N1. I was around 2 people specifically when i was getting sick and neither of them caught it. What we need is people to use friggen common sense. If you don't feel well STAY HOME. taking 2 weeks off work affects me financially of course, but atleast i didn't spread the flu on. It totally ticks me off going into a store, office whatever and hearing people hack up a lung. People are beyond selfish when it comes to considering others.

[Love4himies]

This is a cool website on viruses:

http://www.virology.ws/2009/10/19/te...about-viruses/

Sigh, I should have been a scientist, would be so much more interesting than accounting :sad:

[bendyfoot]

Originally Posted by Love4himies

Viruses are not alive, what they do is invade cells and change the DNA or RNA, can't remember which, it is the replication of the invaded cells that cause the problem. The scientist did not go into detail why a cold virus that touches the eye or nose or mouth can cause illness. Maybe that is the difference between what is considered "air borne" and other ways to get illnesses . I will try to find it on the internet so I can post it here.

No I know they're not living; they are basically protein shells with a chunk of genetic material inside. But all you need is one virus and one "host" cell into which it can insert its genetic material to start the replication. Mucous membranes (eyes, lining of the mouth, nose, lung etc.) are where viruses invade, because the moisture there permits access to the host cells.

[Love4himies]

Originally Posted by mollywog

I received the H1N1 vaccination 2 weeks ago, and my arm is still tender around the injection site. For the first 5 days or so it was really painful when dressing or undressing. I also experienced a migrane for the entire next day after the vaccination. Both of these reactions were listed as "normal".
I work around small children, most who live on a First Nations reserve (higher risk factor), so this is why I decided to get vaccinated. The stuff I am hearing now kind of scares me, and I'm still unsure about whether or not I made the right decision.
Did anyone else here experience side-effects after your vaccination??

Yes, if I was working with a high risk group, I would get the vaccine too, it would be horribly unfair to the children.

[Love4himies]

Originally Posted by bendyfoot

No I know they're not living; they are basically protein shells with a chunk of genetic material inside. But all you need is one virus and one "host" cell into which it can insert its genetic material to start the replication. Mucous membranes (eyes, lining of the mouth, nose, lung etc.) are where viruses invade, because the moisture there permits access to the host cells.

I don't understand either why it makes a difference for the virus to be on an eye or into the lungs He did say that for the contact to be the eye, nose or the mouth you would need an awful lot of viruses for it to affect a person

[bendyfoot]

Originally Posted by Love4himies

I don't understand either why it makes a difference for the virus to be on an eye or into the lungs He did say that for the contact to be the eye, nose or the mouth you would need an awful lot of viruses for it to affect a person

I don't doubt that's what the person on TV said, I just don't understand it...every source I can find about transmission says "eyes, nose, mouth" Weird. I would just hate to see someone spreading misinformation. There are also people out there claiming to be able to protect people from H1N1 with a saline nasal spray so there are a lot of false statements being made out there. It's hard to keep it all straight.

Maybe what the guy was trying to say was that if the infection STARTED in the lung that it could be worse? I guess I could see that, if the critical buildup of disease was affecting the respiratory tissues first and foremost before the immune system built up enough antibodies to start to fight back? Maybe that's it.

[Love4himies]

Originally Posted by bendyfoot

I don't doubt that's what the person on TV said, I just don't understand it...every source I can find about transmission says "eyes, nose, mouth" Weird. I would just hate to see someone spreading misinformation. There are also people out there claiming to be able to protect people from H1N1 with a saline nasal spray so there are a lot of false statements being made out there. It's hard to keep it all straight.

He said you CAN get it from touching something that is contaminated, but there would have be a lot of viruses and it is very rare.

I wish I could remember who the scientist was . I am getting so old and the memory is going

[hazelrunpack]

I know that here they're asking people to sneeze into their elbow and to wash hands frequently and thoroughly--so they seem to be implying both methods of transfer are applicable. Only rarely would an infected person leave just one viral particle on something they touched--so even if it's true that you need more virus to contract H1N1 using the hand-to-eye route, the CDC seems to think that the amount being left behind on surfaces is ample to cause infection.

[Love4himies]

Originally Posted by bendyfoot

Maybe what the guy was trying to say was that if the infection STARTED in the lung that it could be worse? I guess I could see that, if the critical buildup of disease was affecting the respiratory tissues first and foremost before the immune system built up enough antibodies to start to fight back? Maybe that's it.

Now that makes sense.

[chico2]

Last night on TV5,it's close to panic in France,people are lining up,for their shots.
The reason,35 people had died in 1 month.
Before,nobody could be bothered,clinics were empty
How quickly things change..
I can understand people working with children,or working with the public ,would need to take the vaccine.
I think us oldies are pretty safe..

[kwilli]

virus is structurally similar to an early round of pandemic virus (1957)... so those who got it then, could still have some residual immunity... why the elderly population (whom are normally at risk for flu... like the young).

i unfortunately am well informed on this issue as the pandemic planning lead for my workplace reports into me.... it has been a couple of months...

as for the vaccine, Public Heath Agency of Canada's website has a great section on vaccines... how they are made, how you select priority groups, etc...
Yes, egg allergies are a problem (from the production of this vaccine).. and yes, most people I know have had pretty severe arm pain for 5-7 days... but as i hear every week.... we are approaching enough people vaccinized in my area to approach "herd immunity" levels which is good....

I'm going this weekend as I want to see my friends baby this weekend!

[onster]

Just got both H1N1 and seasonal...to be honest I prob wouldnt have gotten the shot if I wasn't travelling. Im leaving to Egypt for a month after my last exam and I just don't want to waste vacay time being sick....

So far no adverse reaction tho who knows what will happen years from now