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Help! Please give some advice
If anyone can help me or just give me some advice, I’d be very grateful.
2 days ago July 16. I have bought a Doberman Pinschers from one of the CKC registered breeder. The breeder said there is a particular dog that has been assigned for me. When I go to his Kennel, the breeder has shown me the dog. The puppy is exactly 8 weeks old. The baby Doberman is not too active, but the breeder said that he was sleep in the Kennel before and he just woke him up. Overall, he is a beautiful dog, so I have completed the full payment as well as signed the agreement. Yesterday morning, when he woke up he’s suddenly having diarrhea several times with in an hour. And he has vomited several times as well. I was so scared, because after I have cleaned up his messes he falls down on the newspaper and keeps shaking. So I bring him to the emergency clinic. The vets said the dog might have some intestine infections I’ll have to leave my dog in the clinic for a night. I was very upset and called up the breeder and have told him what the vet told me. The breeder said he doesn’t understand what I said .So I let him talked to the Vet. But he got angry and cut him off on the phone while he is talking. So, today I have contact the Canadian Kennel Club and told him everything about this incident. But the lady in Client and Services said she couldn’t help me. She mentioned that CKC couldn’t do anything beside making sure the breeder has provided the right contract agreement and information, they will not help any owners to claim for any liabilities due to the fault of the owner. I’m so worried and very upset right now. I just got my new puppy for less than 24 hours, but he got very sick right away. I have spent over a thousand dollars just to give him the treatment for the second day I owned him. The vet has told me that the dog should be infected before I get him, but the breeder seems like he doesn’t want to take any responsibilities. What should I do now? Where can I go complain? Any other organization can help me? Thank you for all of your help Poor dobe
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Did you sign a contract with this "breeder"? If so, what are the health guarantees? Also, try and contact the Doberman Club of Canada to see if they can give you any more details on this "breeder" and how to rectify the situation http://www.dpcc.ca/ . Keep everything well documented as you may have to go to small claims court to get reimbursed for being sold a sick puppy. I'm very sorry this happened and I hope your little one is soon on the mend.
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You will probably have to sue.
For the future, or anyone else reading, CKC/AKC papers mean NOTHING as far as what kind of a breeder you're dealing with. Contact the breed clubs if you want to know who is reputable. Most puppies being sold from puppy mills are papered - it means nothing. Good luck with your puppy. |
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Agree with BMDLuver. Also re emergency clinics, since you are in Toronto wanted to make sure you are aware of the relatively new 24 hour a day clinic on McMurrich Street. They are very nice there - and this is where appointments are arranged with neurologists etc.
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Can anyone give me some advice? Thanks alot
If anyone can help me or just give me some advice, I’d be very grateful.
2 days ago July 16. I have bought a Doberman Pinschers from one of the CKC registered breeder. The breeder said there is a particular dog that has been assigned for me. When I go to his Kennel, the breeder has shown me the dog. The puppy is exactly 8 weeks old. The baby Doberman is not too active, but the breeder said that he was sleep in the Kennel before and he just woke him up. Overall, he is a beautiful dog, so I have completed the full payment as well as signed the agreement. Yesterday morning, when he woke up he’s suddenly having diarrhea several times with in an hour. And he has vomited several times as well. I was so scared, because after I have cleaned up his messes he falls down on the newspaper and keeps shaking. So I bring him to the emergency clinic. The vets said the dog might have some intestine infections I’ll have to leave my dog in the clinic for a night. I was very upset and called up the breeder and have told him what the vet told me. The breeder said he doesn’t understand what I said .So I let him talked to the Vet. But he got angry and cut him off on the phone while he is talking. So, today I have contact the Canadian Kennel Club and told him everything about this incident. But the lady in Client and Services said she couldn’t help me. She mentioned that CKC couldn’t do anything beside making sure the breeder has provided the right contract agreement and information, they will not help any owners to claim for any liabilities due to the fault of the owner. I’m so worried and very upset right now. I just got my new puppy for less than 24 hours, but he got very sick right away. I have spent over a thousand dollars just to give him the treatment for the second day I owned him. The vet has told me that the dog should be infected before I get him, but the breeder seems like he doesn’t want to take any responsibilities. What should I do now? Where can I go complain? Any other organization can help me? Thank you for all of your help Poor dobe
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What sort of contract do you have with the breeder in terms of health guarantees? You should review this asap.
As far as the dog being sick, most reputable breeders would be concerned about this and help you out in one way or another. CKC is not responsible for anything more than ensuring that the dog is true blue doberman....they don't regulate the breeding or speak to the contracts. I'm sorry to hear about your baby. What kind of kennel was he/she in? was he not living in the home with the breeder? |
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Contact the breeder ASAP and take your bill with you and have them pay for the emergency care.
The dog they 'assigned' to you may just have been sick, they knew it and wanted it gone so as not to infect the other pups. Also to make money off a sick dog is horrilbe horrible! If you wanted to , you can take the pup back and get your money back for the dog. How did you pay them? Cash or charge? What type of paperwork did they give you? I'd have the vet do a culture on the stool as well to see whats growing. The other pups could be sick and in danger. If they're an unreputable breeder they know the signs of a sick pup and a sucker and they saw both ...the sick dog and you being the sucker. Sorry to say that but it's true.
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Make sure CKC is Canadian Kennel Club, not Continental Kennel Club. The Continental Kennel Club will register mutts, and it's mainly used to make puppymillers look more reputable.
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Lizzie
Thank you for your reply. I have received a health record stated that the dobe has been dewormed on 4 days before I getting the dog. Before I sent him the deposit 2 weeks ago, he told me on phone that there would be a health guarantee. But when I go get the dog on saturday, he only gave me 1) the Health Record, 2)The receipt 3) The Pedigree 4) The copy of Non-Breeding Agreement. When I left, I asked him "Do I got all the agreements?" And he said yes. the breeder is pretty well known in their city. Because he used to be one of the vice-president in the dog Show; He is old and he said he has 30 year experience on breeding dobe. I think he has good reputation before and that’s why I have trusted him so much. I was too careless. When I go visit the puppies, they were living in the kennel at the breeders' backyard. Other puppies are very active, but he said my puppy just woke up thats why he is not too willing to run around. I have read so much magazine and books or doberman, I know it is not right for a pup to be inactive, but everytime I open my mouth, he is trying to prove that he know a lot more than me, I understand he has so much real experience than me and thats why I have trusted him and think that the pup will be better when he be more awake. Thank you for your reply and kindness again
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Thank you for your reply I have paid the breeder the deposit on cheque. And the rest of the payment I have paid him cash. He gave me a little receipt. Beside that I have also recieved 1) the Health Record, 2) The Pedigree 3) The copy of Non-Breeding Agreement. But if he refuse to take the dog back nor paying for the emergency fee, what else could I do? Or where can I seek help? Thanks
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I'm not sure why you haven't called them to let them know?
You can play the what if game all day or just pick up the phone and call, explaining the situation with the dog and what happened. Ask them what they are willing to do. Get their answer and go from there.
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Yes, Karria , the CKC I have called yesterday was Canadian Kennel Club. But the lady in Client and Services said CKC couldn’t do anything beside making sure the breeder has provided the right contract agreement and information. *sigh*
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Can we stick to ONE thread please this is getting confusing.
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Thank you SnowDancer
McMurrich Street? What are the intersections?
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I am very sorry to hear about your puppy. If the breeder refuses to do anything for you take them to small claims. Did this breeder advertise anywhere where it may say that he included a health guarantee with his puppies. If so you may request a copy.
I would have thought something wrong when he was the one choosing your puppy for you. Did you know this when you put down the deposit. I personally would have walked away and found another breeder. |
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I'm sorry you are going through this. I grew up with dobes so they have a special place in my heart. I really don't have any advice but I just wanted to wish you luck and tell you I hope your puppy gets better and this "breeder" is brought to justice.
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Thank you!
This is my first time posting in a forum ... and I'm very upset because of my puppy. Sorry, I did cross post on the other section, but I won't do it again.
I'm so happy that there are many people trying to help me. I want to say Thank you for all of your kindness
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How distressing for you and your pup. I had a similar situation a few years ago regarding a poodle pup with distemper. Unfortuately she didn't make it and the breeder refused to do anything so my vet and I both got in touch with the SPCA and they made a surprise visit to the kennel where it was deemed all the pups from the 3 litters were infected. The breeder was charged with a variety of offences (selling sick dogs, unsanitary living conditions, no clean water or adequate food, etc.). I took him to court and was refunded the selling price, vet bills and anguish for my emotional suffering. Unfortunately it didn't cure my pup or save the other litters but it certainly gave the kennel operator a wake-up call, cost him alot of money and his reputation was ruined. I also had the local newspaper do an article about the situation calling on anyone else who had adopted from him to come forward with their claims. The SPCA kept tabs on him and he quit breeding. Don't let this creep intimidate you just because he's been breeding for so many years, he sounds like so many breeders- just in it for the $$$ with no regard for the dogs or potential owners.
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Luba
yes, I did talked to the breeder before. But tells the vet that I'm now the owner of the dog. And I should be resposible about it. I just don't know what I should do in the next step... I've forgot to mention one thing, when I talked to the vet , he asked me what did I feed my dobe before? And I showed the vet that the package of puppy food which the breeder had give me before... ....that puppy food was actually expired on Dec 2004.
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I would report this breeder to all the breed clubs as well when your pup is ok and cleared from the vets I would personally sue the breeder for the cost of the dog and the vet bills, he sold you a sick dog which is unethical and not what a reputable breeder does.
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What does it say in your contract about the health of the dog?? In the contract from my breeder, it says that if the dog becomes seriously ill within the first two years, I can get half my money back when I provide the breeder with the live dog. I would get the money back once the breeder has their own vet confirm a diagnosis in the dog. That being said, when Lacey was 18 months old, she had to be pts because of a birth defect in which her kidney's didn't form right and they quit functioning. I called the breeder after Lacey died so that I could find out if she'd had any other problems. She hadn't had any problems, but she promptly had all her breeding stock tested for any kidney problems, even though my vet said that she was 100% sure it was a deformity. The breeder also gave us a new puppy. She didn't have to do this since we didn't provide her with the living animal - she did it because she was just as heartbroken as we were.
If you didn't get a health guarantee, your only option is to sue the breeder for selling you a sick animal and filing a complaint with the appropriate authorities (SPCA, Humane Society, etc.).
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To BMDLuver
BMDLuver thank you for your reply
I did sign one contract with the breeder. And I have received a copy of non-breeding agreement. According to the registration on the dog, the breeder said he just got the document the day before, and he will notify me and send me a copy next week. Technically, I didn't have the owner document but I have paid him the money in cash. All I got is the 1) receipt 2) The puppy-doberman 3) health record card. 4)pedigree 5) copy of non-breeding agreement There was health guarantees "verbally" by him. Before I have paid the deposit few weeks ago. But there is no evidence. The reason that I did business with him is because he is a very famous doberman breeder, he even got on the news on "Sentinel Review" on Monday July 11, 2005. Maybe some of you may heard of his name too if you always go to the dog shows.
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Very sorry didn't realize you talked to the breeder. Musta got confused there, my apologies
Go to a lawyer and get a letter drafted won't cost you much, indicating that you wish your money refunded / the vet bills paid until the dog is healthy/ you want a healthy pup from the same litter.
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Does the puppy's health record show that he was vaccinated against parvovirus?
Get a written report (NOT just a bill) from your vet saying exactly what is wrong with your puppy, and how long it's been going on, in his opinion. You can write a letter (registered mail) outlining what happened. Include a copy of the vet report, and demand payment. If the breeder won't reimburse you, take him to court. Also, write down all details of the puppy's illness, when it started, the symptoms, etc. So sorry this happened to both you and the poor puppy. Last edited by Lucky Rescue; July 19th, 2005 at 03:07 PM. |
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I wish there was a law that requires breeders to prove they have human qualities before they breed and sell animals...this would make life much easier for everyones sake.
I feel for you and your puppy Nick, by the sound of it, you do have the law on your side.
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may I suggest
I'd like to suggest that if you continue having difficulty with the particular "well known" breeder that you contact any Doberman/dog show associations that they may be associated with and report your experience. Such clubs are often places where people go to look for reputable breeders and experiences such as yours may cause such organizations to investigate. They may have sections where a report can be filed or someone to contact.
I'm grasping at straws here, I'm sorry for the experience you are going through and I really hope your little pup pulls through. Keep a detailed account of all your conversations with the breeder, vet, etc from this point on. If you do have to file a civil suit you will need such evidence. Also receipts, bills, any other contacts you may have done about this, etc. Good luck and give your pup a kiss from us!
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Nick - The McMurrich Street Emergency is located just west of Yonge Street - running off Belmont Street. There is a Canadian Tire Store a few blocks north of Yonge - Belmont is just south of the Canadian Tire. When I had to rush there I took Bayview to Rosedale Valley Road to Yonge Street. I really hope your puppy is able to overcome his illness. Has the vet given you any idea of what further treatment will be required and chances of survival - as well as any other illnesses that your pup might be susceptible to in later years as a result of his current problems?
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Breeder Issues
I think everyone is a little too quick to blame the breeder here.
(and I am not a dog breeder) I've purchased puppies from highly reputable breeders in the past, and the next day here at home, they developed the runs from either stress, new or different food or feeding issues, new floor germs, different water, whatever..... it doesn't necessarily mean that the breeder should be blamed. The puppy could have inadvertently picked up some old crunchy tidbit off the floor of his new home. City dogs are even more prone to this as they go onto balconies that are rarely if ever cleaned, an on to sideways which host any myrid of infectious germs. Even the back seat of a dirty car can make a puppy very sick. It doesn't mean the puppy was poorly bred or kept in unsanitary conditions, especially if it came with a health guarantee and vets certificate of health. If you got a verbal guarantee only, your EARS should have pricked up right away and this should have been a sign to you about the policy of this breeder.... but it still doesn't mean he/she gave you a sick puppy. The same darn thing has happend to us, (and I keep a very clean house) Cheers MM
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