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One last one, we regulars on the forum know there are too many animals in shelters.
But really you are expecting too much from the general population imo. OF COURSE I agree with you personally and I will always spay and neuter and I will tactfully explain this to any poster. But most people INCLUDING that 40:1 ratio might not share your belief....that's just the way it is. I'm having a hard time understanding why you think people SHOULD know this spay/neuter/ anti breeding info. This is your passion, and my passion but we are in the minority...you have to know that. We are not in the minority when it comes to regulars posting...but when it comes to newbies posting, we are imo. I'm a big fan of recycling, but do you know how many people throw plastic stuff directly into the garbage. That's BLASPHEMY to me. Everyone should know better....and SO many people don't......There's just too much knowledge for everyone to know and accept what you personally believe to be common knowledge. So the only good way to solve this problem imo......is through tactful education. Thx - marko
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You certainly have.
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I don't think I am expecting too much from the general population. I think the general population expects too much from the shelters, HS, etc. to take care of their mess. It's time to hold people accountable for their actions, quit letting them use excuses when most of them know better, and give them correct information if they are misinformed. You don't have to know alot about animals or spayed/neutering in general, besides that it is the only way we can work towards the end of millions of animals being PTS every year. I have agreed all along that the best way to solve this is to continue to educate people, but I am entitled to rant if I want, and it's been in MY experiences that it is common knowledge, people just choose not to listen to it, read it, etc.
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I said from the very beginning...
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If it continues please close this thread. TY.
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just did a quick google search under...to spay or not to spay...1,670,000 links came up.
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What's needed is public information campaigns, that's what will make more of a difference than snark on a message board - snark that takes someone aback and is a shock to the system when they thought they were just asking a question.
IMO, contacting your elected officials to ask about public policy changes, laws, and organizing local campaigns is the way to go on the spay and neuter issue. And I've been there with burnout, on other topics, and the solution when you are feeling angry or frustrated is to walk away for a good long while. You don't do anybody any good when you speak to the uninformed with your anger. Passion yes, anger and disdain, no. |
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I know in my local city, they push very hard for people to fix their pets and even have bylaws against leaving a bitch outside in heat, having more than so many pets at a residence to discourage breeders, giving reduced licensing rates for those who have their pet fixed, etc. etc. Oh, and there is alot of public campaigns out there... look at BFAS as an example of all the workshops, campaigns, etc. they do...
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Now if you want to really start an argument.......... Peta kills more animals than they ever adopt out. http://www.petakillsanimals.com/ That is just one of many websites out there about their shocking behaviour. Maybe they started out on the right foot and with the right idea. Now they are just out of control. A 33 million dollar budget could go so far to truly help by building so many more shelters/rescues/etc. to help those animals they are supposed to be helping. Instead all they want to do is tell us how bad we are if we still eat meat.
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ummm chris,,cassiek is the OP of this thread...and yes everyone has been extremely civilized to each other,,we occassionally surprise people and can have a polite yet controversial conversation.
which means one of two things,,we're all aware of where each of us is coming from so no wondering about whether or not what is being said is for real...ooooor,,nobody is pmsing at the moment. |
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Maybe rescues, HS, etc. need to also take such a stance on advertising and show the public what they don't often see i.e. innocent animals being euthanized in huge #'s, being left to die outside, severely neglected etc. Maybe in this day and age we can't use statistics or research, we have to show people what the harsh reality of this situation really is. And my comment about keeping things civilized was not directed to any of you... no worries.
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I'm wondering if it would be helpful if the senior members who typically respond to the spay/neuter type threads could come up with some sort of a form answer for an OP who requests information on breeding, etc. Something friendly that might state that Pets.ca is a pro spay/neuter forum and the reasons why. Maybe listing some other sites they might find more helpful, etc.
Now, me, I simply avoid posting in "those threads" cuz I would lose my cool. Also, I believe at least 50% of them are trolls. When the OP just seems to lead people on and on making the situation sound even worse with each post, I'm not buying it.
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I have no problem investing the time to write something up. I also have no problem if another member wants to do it. Thx - Marko
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"Most people on this forum are against declawing cats, and are against banning specific dog breeds. Most people on this forum are VERY pro spay/neuter, and are against backyard breeding. Most people on this board will beg, borrow and max out their credit cards to see a veterinarian when their pets are ill." To me there is an important difference between being a pro spay/neuter forum and being a forum on which most of the members are VERY pro spay/neuter. One individual who posted on here just apologized for posting on this site because he/she "was not aware that this site is only for people who are against not neutering."
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I don't believe in the bullcrap that everybody can co-exist when the subject is a very passionate one, sorry, but I don't. To me if there were breeders on this forum posting about their recent litter they have had and another member has just had to refuse a weekend away with the girls because she had to take care/transport fosters then it is like throwing $hit in the face of this rescuer. Or the rescuer could only take 1 cat or dog from a high kill shelter knowing there are 10 left behind to die. This a very passionate subject and you will get explosions. We are HUMAN, not robots (and add some PMSing in the equation ). Just my
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There are plenty of breeding sites/forums out there where breeders can go and brag about how well SallyJeans litter is doing. Google them and you will find a ton. There are NO pro s/n forums where people who feel strongly about the issue can go and let their feelings be known. I feel at home here on Pets because I know there are a large majority who feel the way I do.
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I guess it might be a good idea to determine what the official stance of the forum is...not the overarching opinion, but the formal policy. Like, right now, we don't allow any questions to be asked about emergency health situations...we close those threads. Should s/n/breeding question threads be closed as well with a similar admonishment that it's against the rules?
Personally, I don't see "breeder" and "pro-S/N" or "active rescuer" as being mutually exclusive. I think it's possible that we miss out on opportunities to generate partnerships with knowledgeable allies. But that's just my *ducks to avoid the rotten tomatoes flying my way*
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Do you want to make it such a cliquey place that people who don't share ____ views are chased away and told they don't belong? Officially even, with closed threads.
What about the side of things that if you don't chase them away and they stay, they'll learn some other stuff. And maybe so will some of the existing members learn from them. How "open" is your community to new members in general? It sounds like some of you don't care about that. Breeding isn't the only issue I've seen people get snarky unwelcoming replies about. How many issues do the newbies have to agree with you on before they're allowed to feel welcome. |
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I guess you could have breeders and rescuers together, in theory anyways, but being human, I think you would continually get clashes. As 14+ stated, this is by far the most pro spay/neuter forum out there and that is why pro spay/neuter members stick around.
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I've read "Most people on this forum are against declawing cats, and are against banning specific dog breeds. Most people on this forum are VERY pro spay/neuter, and are against backyard breeding. Most people on this board will beg, borrow and max out their credit cards to see a veterinarian when their pets are ill." ... and I thought - Yes! all of this is good and I feel the same so,...on to register.... only to get admonished for buying a puppy from a breeder instead of adopting from a shelter or rescue. In my mind, being "pro spay/neuter" meant being a responsible owner and neutering my dog but sometimes on this forum it means "no breeding whatsoever, by anybody". I guess clarifying this stance might avoid some unpleasant situations. |
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Bendy, just read you reply to 14+: Sometimes it takes me so long to write , I am not a person of words
I don't think they necessarily should be closed, only if they start getting off course. Some people may give some of our advice to spay/neuter, check the pet overpopulation, etc., etc. some thought and change their minds. Perhaps an official post by the Admins that we can post a link to specifically discussing the pro spay/neuter issues and see where the OP goes from there. If you get any tomatoes, send them my way, I could eat them till the cows come home.
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I could be wrong, but I don't think so...members give eachother advice, including about supplements, OTC medications etc all the time, some of which could actually be harmful (easy example: New Poster: My dog is limping a bit, seems sore. Reponse: Give some baby asprin. Potential problem: if the dog is already on another antiinflamatory, or has a blood issue or stomach ulcers or...it could cause problems). I just thought we had the policy because it was in the animal's best interest.
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By their very nature forums over time DO become cliquey. No one is told they don't belong. NO ONE. If they chose to take it that way so be it. I agree we can tone it down. I'm working on it. But I am what I am. Anyone who has met me in person will tell you the same.
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