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Raw and dysphoria
ok, so with the SG controversy and everything, I decided to try RAW again. I've tried it twice before with pretty disasterous results. But I've been reading alot and I joined 2 raw feeder forums.
So I fasted Buster for 24 hours. Then last night I gave him a single chicken leg (it was pretty small...and he's 55 pounds). I thought I'd start him off slow to avoid explosive butt like the last times I've tried. I also removed all the skin. So last night (a few hours after his meal) the crazy diarhea started. That's to be expected right? But what bothers me is he's REALLY dysphoric today. He's been lying down all day (remember, this is a boxer....they're not a lazy breed!) To the point where I took him to the vets a few hours ago. She told me that it's the raw food, and she doesn't understand why I would risk my dogs life (????) I offered him some cooked rice for supper, and he won't even touch it (he usually looooooves rice....it's his favorite food ever!) I can't stand to see him like this, just looking at him makes me want to cry. Is this going to pass??
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I don’t have any advice but I really hope that it will pass and that your dog will be ok.
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thanks! I hope so too
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yes, it will pass and you did everything right, please don't beat yourself up over it. don't let an ignorant vet make you feel guilty for trying to give your boy the best! grrr.
in some rare cases, raw food just doesn't agree with a dog's tummy you can give buster an Imodium tablet to help dry up the diarrhea, and then proceed with caution... a grainless kibble, supplemented with cooked rice, cooked meats, etc is maybe the best solution for your boy? i'm so sorry this happened, you tried your best and that's what matters! now go give that beautiful boy a big hug for me kay?
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Have you ever heard of a dog getting really disphoric on raw, Techno?
The vet wanted me to put him on some Science diet sensitive something or other. No thanks. I guess raw is outta the question, or should I feed him meat again tomorow? One of the raw websites says to continue with the diet, and that all side effects will eventually subside (is his moppiness a side effect?)....I don't really see myself continuing something that's making him act so weird. I just picked up his leash (which is usually followed by an extensive wiggle-butt-yelping dance) and he had absolutely no reaction. I feel horrible.
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i have read about this happening to some dogs but it's rare that the reaction is so bad... poor buster i know you must feel terrible but how could you have known?... i personally would find it very hard to continue with raw, if i had to see my dog going through this... i'm so sorry. there is no one diet that is perfect for every dog and my gut feeling says such a violent reaction to raw (3 times) is an indication that it may not be for buster.
OR you might want to wait until he is better, and then inch your way towards raw gently... such as 1/2 cup of fresh, lean raw ground beef for breakfast with some digestive enzymes, and then see what happens... try raw with no bone at first, and a different protein source. perhaps that would work. and i hope your boy is his perky self tomorrow!
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I think the reaction is too bad to continue.
On the upside, my super-ultra-hyper-sensitive Boo who took 4 months to get used to WK, already has firm stools on the Evo after starting him "cold turkey". I dunno. Jemma's a bit more soft, but still- they're doing better on the evo so far than they were doing on the "hardly" changed SG formula. I hope Buster gets better soon... |
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(mini hijack)
grainless kibbles rock. so much easier for the dogs to digest.. maybe it would be good for buster too?
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I think it would be. It can constipate some dogs, but with dogs with pretty consistently soft stools, it might be just what the vet ordered (but didn't know it).
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yeah, Evo is next on my list (once Buster gets better)
I had figured that for the same price as feeding Evo, I could feed raw... Poor Buster, he's all droopy. He only gets up to go beg for the door.... I think I'll make him some chicken broth, I'm worried he'll dehydrate with all the pooping!! Quote:
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meb999, are you familiar with this boxer-specific forum? i follow their forum on raw-feeding... lots of great folks and great info on there! just in case you might still consider it in the future, perhaps other boxer owners could guide you...
http://www.boxerworld.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=5 :love: to buster who will be slurping on chicken broth with rice soon! i hope!
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yeah I'm a member there...but i don't post much. I'm mostly a lurker
I love their feeding forum and their BARF forum. Very informative!
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Why not try a cooked homemade diet? I don’t know how good is that but at least this way you will know exactly what your dog eats.
The recipe is: meat, brown rice, little bit of veggies and the supplements. Again, I’m not an expert, I am just learning myself buy my family kept dogs on this type of diet for many years and we never had any health problems with them. |
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Buster is feeling a little better today. He ate some rice and some broth, and didn't puke any of it up. YAY!!
I,m going to keep him a bland diet for the next week or so, to give his stomach a break (only boiled chicken and rice --- i just made him a big batch) then I'll decide what the next step is. Probably Evo, or Evo mixed with Canidae.....
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I do not feed raw but do read some discussions about starting a raw diet on different forums
Did you use digestive enzymes and probiotics ? I know a least one raw feeder who says you should use digestive enzymes/ probiotics when you start raw, she said that for a dog that has been fed kibble for a while they lose some of the enymes needed to digest the raw, and that is what causes the diarrhea and vomitting. In the wild when a dog catches wild game they would first rip open the stomach and eat some of the stomach/intestine content this provides them with digestive enzymes to help digest the meat. You can do similiar by giving some green tripe first. Quote:
Here is a transition diet that is designed to make sure digestive enyzmes are in place before raw meat is introduced to the diet http://www.raw-connections.com/index.html Quote:
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