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And for the record, I don't have a personal agenda. Your choice is your choice, I just try and provide a different perspective. Alot of people don't think much past the surface... without going too in depth, an example is most people want to demand that layer hens are cage free. I have no issues against this, but remind people that it does cost more to the grower to raise them this way (as was pointed out in this documentary), and that the consumer must be willing to pay more for that dozen eggs they pick up in the grocery store, and most are not. If anything, I am in a position that I have the opportunity to see how much of the industry is run, something most consumers do not and I am a consumer myself. I would never preach or say that the industry is something it is or is not, I just get weary when people make uninformed decisions based on an ad by PETA, or an article in the news, or one simple source for that matter. IMO the best way to make educated, smart decisions are to do your research. I encourage people to visit farms, slaughter plants, etc. and really learn where their food comes from and form their own opinions. I am allowed my opinion too and if you have a problem with it, you don't need to comment on it. So enough of the "but at the risk of sounding like a broken record myself I too won't repeat ".
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There is a book I think you really need to read. Actually I think everybody on the planet should read it. It's called "Eating Animals" by Jonathan Safran Foer. Extremely well written and well researched, with perspectives from all sides of the feed animal industry.
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All I am trying to say is that it is a extremely complex issue, and it will take the cooperation of many individuals and organizations. Change will be slow-coming, and I think change is needed, I am just pointing out that the consumer needs to be aware that it comes at a cost and they must be willing to pay for it. I am entitled to my opinion and to have it be respected, even though some of you may not agree with me. I'm not the enemy here simply because I work in the livestock industry, nor have I ever stated that it doesn't have it's faults. I am also a consumer, and I have had the opportunity to really see "behind the scenes" and think I can offer a perspective many people can't simply because they don't see where their food comes from. And if I was given the chance, I could really offer some "food for thought". I don't deserve to be backed into the corner and criticized, simply because I am throwing some different ideas out there. I am not going to turn this into a thread that becomes 20+ pages long bantering back and forth. No sense beating a dead horse. If any of you wish to have a civil and mature conversation on this topic, you can PM me and I would be more than willing to provide research and information that I have found through the course of my university studies and career. If anyone is in the S. Alberta area and would like to know where their chicken and turkey come from, I would be more than happy to show them through the process of raising chickens right from the hatchery to the processors. FYI, I have read this book along with many other's on the subject. I spent four years in school learning about all the good, the bad, and the ugly of this industry. It is a wonderful book, and does offer many "voices" in this industry to be heard. Cheers, Cassie
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Here is my point: the strongest vote anyone can make is with their dollars. By purchasing factory farmed meat, you are essentially saying you support that system. The consumer is the most essential cog in the wheel of industrial agriculture and if people stopped buying these cruelty-filled products, the system would change. Yes, it's that simple. Instead of having cheap industrial meat 7 days a week, how about buying local, humane products 3 days a week? (this isn't directed at you personally, this is just a general observation) North Americans have to reavaluate their purchasing patterns when it comes to food. Out of all the industrialized nations, we spend the lowest percentage of our income on food. I wonder what percentage is spent on cars and tvs and electronic gadgets? This attitude has got to change, and documentaries like this one (and Food Inc, etc) are a step in the right direction.
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Unless the gov't bails them out like GM or Dodge , sorry couldn't resist that comment. Nothing against your post, I totally agree with you.
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Anyways, I have said enough on the subject. Peace.
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There is alot of info re our Agri-Biz and this video's message isn't about veganism nor vegetarianism, it's exposing animal cruelty both in puppy mills and factory farming.
With puppy mills we advocate to not purchase pets from pet stores. Why, because the inbred/overbred parents of all these sick puppies are forced to live horrific lives caged forever in dark damn cold/hot sheds stacked on top of each other with bare minimum food/water and no vet care until they die. Just sickening, right? Well for farm animals it's even worse. We shouldn't just care because their dogs or cats and that most won't be eaten. We should care because their animals - whether raised for food or snuggles they have a right to be respected, live with dignity and free from pain Quote:
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