Smoking in YOUR car!

[chico2]

I don't think any smoker will disagree with much that has been said,actually most smokers I know are much more polite and concerned with other peoples rights,than the fanatical anti-smoking coalition.
The latest in Toronto from said group,is to try to ban outside patios...the bar-owners have put out heaters so the smoking patrons can use the patio even if it's cold,burrrrr!! But no,no no don't give an inch to those awful smokers Ban it!!
Yes,smoking is a bad habit,nobody knows that better than a smoker and I do not smoke in other peoples houses or cars,even though they bring an ashtray,I know the smell lingers and i will not pollute someone elses space
But,MY house is my house,my car is MY car,since I have no kids(anymore)what I do on,or in my property is nobodys business but my own.
I would actually be more concerned about the air outside,the water you drink and the food you eat and that our government abide by the Kyoto accord and fight pollution that will make millions of people sick in the future.

[krdahmer]

I have to say as someone who suffers from asthma and had parents who protected her from it as a child....it is so sad to have to consider something like this....but not all parents think of their children first! One of the young girls who helped me catch the rescued kittens I have, has severe allergies and asthma and yet is subjected to her parents smoking, in the car, to and from school every day. It's a shame that as a society we have become so irresponsible that we need the government to step in and tell us what to do. sad

[Stewart]

Well I think MR Wells got it right in his book 1984 ! Wait and see one day they will be saying how long we can all live !

[chico2]

Dahmer,I understand your point,one of my sons has a serious congenital heart-disease and I NEVER exposed him to smoke growing up and on smog-filled summer-days he stayed inside,as you know we have many of those
I believe our government is only controlling pollution,like smoking,where it will not cost big companies money...but fighting REAL pollution,like coal-burning factories the $$$$-signs are more important,that is where we in North-America are way behind Europe.$$$$$ are still more important than peoples health.
I brought this subject up,watching the news a couple of days ago,a doctor suggested to Mr Smitherman a ban on parents smoking in cars with children.
Mr Smitherman however,said no such ban is in the plans,as he being relatively intelligent and knows,such a by-law would just end up together with all the other un-inforceable by-laws.
Children need protection yes,but today many children are protected from,sugar,fat,germs,carbs,dust by their parents and as a result,we have thousands of"allergic"children.
I am not saying expose your kids to smoke,but everyday living is a dirty business and childrens immune-system need a work-out to keep it strong.

[Iggette]

When there are such strong issues being debated, I for one would like to see a people vote on the issue.

Not a voted in politician deciding what is right or wrong.....but the people themselves.

I would have liked to vote myself on the pit bull ban, not have a member of parliament tell me what is best.

I understand the whole, we voted them in to speak on our behalf concept.......but lets face it we didn't ALL vote for their individual morals and thoughts of what is right and what is wrong

[melanie]

iggette, i think you are talking about referemdums, that is where they ask the ppls opinion and they vote yes or no.

such eg of referendums include the ref here (i think it was 99 or 98 cnat remember) to determine if we were to become a republic, we all voted yes or no (the nos won of course), and in 1967 the australian public voted in a referendum as to weather aboriginal ppl should be considered citezens (thank god the yes won). from memory the first referendum australia had was during the 2nd world war where the act of conscription was subject to a referendum and australia voted a big loud no. i think it is a really effective way of determining pop oinion.

does your government have this system, if so maybe you shoud start pushing for a ref on PB bans. but perhaps im just a dreamer.

[mastifflover]

I am so with you here Chico my car, my home, I do as I please I also never smoke in other peoples homes or cars. I agree with no smoking in public places but dont tell me I can not smoke outside when you are sitting and breathing car and factory pollution constantly. I feel bad for these bar and restaurant owners who spent a lot of money to create seperate sections in their establishments to be told oh we changed our minds about the by law. You can eat the loss of what you spent and the lack of sales from smokers. That is not fair and these people need to be compensated. Many of these owners are non smokers.

[goldenblaze]

Originally Posted by Sneaky2006

As far as never being allowed to smoke in your own car, or on the streets, that's just awful!
No one ever left the bar, after smoking a pack of cigs and ran over someone because they smoked too much, but you can drink as much as you want in that bar and then drive off like nothing will happen... how is that fair? Smoking doesn't impair your driving or anything for that matter.
I think if you own your home, car, and pay taxes you should be able to smoke where ever you want, as long as you're courteous and don't light up in the face of a non-smoker!
We go out to dinner a lot with my mom, she is the best and smoking is her only vice (as mine! ) and if we go to a restaurant that is non-smoking, we keep on drivin!

I agree with you, Smoking doesn't impair your driving or anything for that matter and to me that is a big deal. I am not a drinker never have been but I do smoke and will continue too as I please. As you I believe courteous is the key. Let's go for a coffee and smoke sometime soon. I was laid off on Friday lots of spare time now.

[moontamara]

The suggested ban is for smoking in the car when your kids are in the car. Sounds like most of you smokers wouldn't smoke in your car with a kid in the car anyway, would you?

but I don't think there's anything wrong with that sort of law.... is there?

[krdahmer]

It just seems so ridiculous that common sense now has to be a written guideline for some people... I know that most of those here would not smoke in front of their children, but I also know a large amount of people living in my building who somehow missed the installation of the common sense switch, and the only way to get them to see what they are doing wrong is to slap them in the wallet!

[Sneaky2006]

Let's go for a coffee and smoke sometime soon.

Nothin better than a cuppa coffee and a smoke!!!

That's all well and good Moon, I wouldn't mind that but it probably won't stop there! My opinion anyway.

[Stewart]

[QUOTE=chico2]
I believe our government is only controlling pollution,like smoking,where it will not cost big companies money...but fighting REAL pollution,like coal-burning factories the $$$$-signs are more important,that is where we in North-America are way behind Europe.

Well said chico2 , If folk want to do something about everyones future they better start wakeing up to the effects on the the worlds big pollution issue and not tinkering around with cheaper options Irrisponsible parenting like smokeing in cars or rooms with children in is just that irrisponsible! And as for smokeing in public places if you dont like it move away! But with the bigger issue of world pollution we cant move away can we ?

[moontamara]

Originally Posted by Stewart

And as for smokeing in public places if you dont like it move away!

First of all, what if I don't want to move away? What if I like your company? So in order to spend time with you, I have to risk my health? Okay, fine. When my mom came to visit she went up to the roof to smoke and more often than not I joined her (on the roof, not with the smoke) because that's how much I wanted to spend time with her. BUT, family members who live with a smoker don't have that option, including pets.

I'm cringing as I post this, but it is worth a look. I know I'll be blasted...



Two articles:
http://www.anmlangls.org/smokers.htm (too long to post whole thing here, methinks)

Smoking is Killing Pets [06/19-2]
Excerpts from: Pets at risk from ciggies

Sunday Mail [06/16/00]

FAMILY pets are dying early because of passive
smoking at home, research has revealed.

Dogs are contracting nasal cancer from their owners
who smoke - with long-nosed hounds, such as
dachshunds, most at risk.

Scientists at Colorado State University found the link
after testing more than 100 dogs over a five-year
period.

Margaret Whidden, secretary of the
Edinburgh-based Association for Non-smokers
Rights, said: "We have had smokers come to us
who said they could not give up for their children but
they would for their animals."

Action on Smoking and Health (ASH) Scotland
agreed the research could have a big effect on some
smokers who have been unable to quit.

[Mysts38]

Iam a smoker and will smoke where I darn well please..however in saying that,iam also a courteous smoker,which means if you ask me not to smoke,I will happily comply

Smoking is my sin and I dont burden other people with it...

[chico2]

Well,I am surprised at how many smokers dare to tell us their awful habit
Here in Oakville,you cannot smoke anywhere,which is fine with me.If hubby and I go out for dinner,we eat and do just not linger too long,usually go home for coffee.
When I meet a friend of mine for lunch,we meet next door in Burlington,where they still have well ventilated smoking-areas,because we like to sit for a while and chat..
Moontamara,I know all about"studies"on smoke and how it presumably affects pets and I do take care around my cats,just in case..
I still need to be convinced,that anyone will die from passing by a smoker,unless they spend 24/7 in a smokefilled bar....I believe you will sooner die from riding a bike in the city..
Anyways,I brought this up,because,if we allow our government to make up by-laws for every over-zealous do-goodder,we will soon find ourselves in a police-state...
Let's get speeders,drunk drivers first and if they were also smoking(OMG )add another $$1.000 to the fine
Well,today I have to go out and blow the rest of my leaves,I am using a leaf-blower because I have tons of leaves from my trees,it's considered a noise polluter maybe we'll have another by-law soon

[chico2]

Goldenblaze,I forgot to mention,I am sorry you got laid off Friday,hopefully you'll get another job soon

[LavenderRott]

First off, Goldenblaze, sorry to hear about your job.

I am a smoker. Have been for 24 years. I don't smoke at my mom's house as she prefers I don't but I do smoke in my house and in my car. I hate to admit it, but I smoked when I was pregnant with all three of my kids too.

Seems to me like the Canadian goverment is spending a whole lot of time worrying about what you do with your personal "stuff" and not going after real issues.

I am not well versed on Canadian statistics, but I don't think that Canada is the only place in the world that has no crime, no drunk drivers, no dog fighting, no commercial polluters, no drugs, etc.

Shouldn't your politicians be doing something about those things and spend less time worrying about what kind of dog YOU have or where YOU smoke?

When the government starts making my house payments and car payments, well then they can tell me what I can and can not do in my house and my car. In the meantime, leave me alone.

Oh, BTW, all 3 of my kids are happy and healthy. Heather is allergic to spider bites, but I doubt that has anything to do with my smoking.

[elmoy]

I thought I would mention that, since Oct 1, here in the province of New Brunswick, smoking in public is now banned. I am a reformed smoker and so is my hubby. We have a karaoke business and used to work in bars a lot. I didn't mind the smoke too much but when we would get hom with our equipment, eesh the smell was so bad.

I have to say that personally, I really enjoy going out to our local pub (for karaoke) I find that my voice is not as affected.

but, I did smoke, I quit when my 5 yr old son got ashtma. I'm glad I did. By both my parents always smoked and still do. When they visit, they go in the basement or on the porch to smoke. When I visit, they smoke in their house, afterall I am the one visiting. So I respect their rights.

Ela

[goldenblaze]

Originally Posted by chico2

Goldenblaze,I forgot to mention,I am sorry you got laid off Friday,hopefully you'll get another job soon

Thanks, looking into starting day care at home for doggie. I have dogs every weekend I enjoy so think that might be something to look deeper into. Our office was told tuesday we were closing on friday, how nice of them since some have been there yrs. Kingston office closed too, 300 out of work.
I think better days ahead. My husband thinks it was meant to happen for a reason, maybe our new day care is a blessing.
Again thanks, right now I am taking time and enjoying my time off, first time I have been out of work in yrs. EI owe me a little of what I put in .

[mastifflover]

Goldenblaze sorry about your lack of employment but like they say all things happen for a reason. I am so sick of the government trying to tell us what we can do and what we can't do. Why don't they get off their fat butts and actually try and earn there overinflated pay cheques. Maybe if they worked 12 months a year like everybody else they would get something done. Stiffer penalties for drunk drivers Sweden has this one nailed down you drink and drive you lose your license forever. Sounds like a plan to me. There is no 2nd time offender. You don't have to harm anyone or yourself it is just drink and drive. If you injure someone you will pay financially and in jail. They have the lowest incidents of drunk drivers. But our idiots spend there time telling us what dog we can own, where we can smoke. Lets deal with some important issues like child pornography and child abuse, spousal abuse, getting kids back in school and educate them so they don't hang out and train dogs to fight so they can start betting on them to make some money. But why should they what they work maybe 6 months a year and are overpaid and have great pensions and we let them get away with it. So why would they want to draw attention to themselves and loose all this free time and money.

[Bearsmom]

Originally Posted by goldenblaze

Thanks, looking into starting day care at home for doggie. I have dogs every weekend I enjoy so think that might be something to look deeper into. Our office was told tuesday we were closing on friday, how nice of them since some have been there yrs. Kingston office closed too, 300 out of work.
I think better days ahead. My husband thinks it was meant to happen for a reason, maybe our new day care is a blessing.
Again thanks, right now I am taking time and enjoying my time off, first time I have been out of work in yrs. EI owe me a little of what I put in .

Goldenblaze, sorry to hear about your job loss....by the way, a doggie daycare would be a fantastic idea!!!! Too bad you're so far away, we could certainly use one where we live.

[krdahmer]

Originally Posted by moontamara

BUT, family members who live with a smoker don't have that option, including pets.

I'm cringing as I post this, but it is worth a look. I know I'll be blasted...

Yes, it is often the ones who don't get a say who suffer for the poor choices of others. Poor kiddies, kitties, and puppies... sad

[CyberKitten]

I am not a smoker and I too have to take a huge breath before going into public buildings where smokers are congregated. I think it would be cruel to smokers to make it illegal though. It is an addiction thanks to unscupulous tobacco companies.

That said, I have close friends who are smokers and I do go out with them. They do not smoke in their home but when I visit them, it is THEIR home and if they smoke, who am I to tell them not to. Mostly, we work around it.

None of us are perfect.

[Cactus Flower]

Anyone ever hear of rolling down the window? It's amazing what a vacuum will do....