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Old June 28th, 2010, 07:12 PM
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How do you train a human???

Buster and I walk pretty much every night...I keep him close, he is getting soooo much better, still lunges at big dogs, wags his tail and sniffs at small dogs. All is good except...

there is ONE house that has a little boy (cute as a button!!), about 2 yrs old and Daddy is outside most evenings. First time we met...little boy ran down driveway...to sidewalk, arms out stretched to give Buster a big Hug. I explained to Daddy that it wasn't a good idea to let little boy run up to little (or big) dogs....laughing, arms waving etc etc. Daddy agreed the first few times but tonight, he got pi$$ed at me and Buster!

Apparently after 3 or 4 times, my dog should be willing to let this little one run up and love him totally. I was informed that I have a vicious dog, that needs training, because Buster barked at the little guy when he scared Buster. Buster was not barking vicious...just a warning bark and I had complete control of him. The little guy has petted Buster before but only after Daddy had the kid under control

So..now...I will change our normal routine, walk earlier, walk later, different route.

hhmmmm Daddy never ONCE told his little guy Don't touch the dog!



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Old June 28th, 2010, 07:23 PM
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I wouldn't change a thing, except that when you get to this guys house keep moving forward, don't slow down, don't acknowledge the kid whatsoever, just keep Buster moving forward.
This man needs to learn to keep his kid under control and teach him proper "dog habits". How about not letting his toddler run toward the street period, that's how kids get hit by cars.
You and Buster shouldn't have to change your routine, force this father to change his.
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Old June 28th, 2010, 07:47 PM
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You and Buster shouldn't have to change your routine, force this father to change his.
Amen! I wouldn't change a thing
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Old June 28th, 2010, 08:31 PM
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I hope you won't have to change your routine Busterboo , it wouldn't be fair for you and Buster

ditto on what LMPG said
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Old June 28th, 2010, 08:36 PM
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Ditto for my opinion too!

Especially if Buster enjoys the route you currently take him on.

I've tried to switch up our route and it just got Gryphon & Mollie all in kerfuffle. Gryphon was at a loss when he didn't see his befriended telephone pole!
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Thanks! You are all right, i shouldn't change Buster's routine, Daddy and the kid will have to learn.

Buster loves his route because we always stop in at "Sacha's" to say hi. Buster actually starts whining about 5 houses from Sacha's...he loves his little buddy! Sacha is a 6 lb 1.5 yr old rescue maltese who is afraid of his own shadow but has started letting Buster sniff and greet.....it has taken about 2 months, but we can now stand in the same driveway

I just need to make sure Daddy and the kid understand that not all dogs want hugs from strangers

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Maybe print out some information for the father on teaching his child how to behave around dogs. It sounds like he just does not know he is doing both Buster and his child an injustice by not teaching his child properly. It's too bad we have to change the way we do things to make others happy.

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I just hope father's ignorance never turns it into a bad experience for this young child. Not every dog is going to be as well mannered as your Buster. We had hay delivered here the other day for our ponies and the guy we bought it off expected me to allow my dogs to play with his young daughter, because she loves doggies. Again, she might, but my dogs weren't reared with children, so I said no .... and besides, I had to shift the hay and couldn't be in two places at once. I kicked myself afterwards because one dog here would have been overjoyed to have a child to play with and I didn't think of him. Bo, the dog we sold as a pup. He was reared with kids, came back to us as a 5 year old . Well socialised and just loves everyone. Aah well, next time perhaps.
14+, that guy doesn't sound like the sort to take even written advice the right way, I think I would go with Luvmypitgirl's advice about moving on.
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I would just tell the little boy not to touch Buster. People can be so stupid!
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I agree, don't change Buster's routine, he is not doing anything wrong.

This sounds like the type of parent that thinks the world should revolve around his children .
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14+, that guy doesn't sound like the sort to take even written advice the right way, I think I would go with Luvmypitgirl's advice about moving on.
You got that out of a couple of written lines? Wow! You're good!!
But you know what. You never know until you try. Maybe no one has ever taken the time to show him how to react around dogs. Maybe no one has taken the time to explain to him the importance of giving dogs space.
I'm not saying LMPG's advice is wrong. I am just saying maybe to try. You don't lose a thing by trying. If he isn't friendly now it's not going to change if he doesn't get talked to. But if Busterboo does have a chat with him or give him some articles to read about introducing children and dogs he may have his eyes opened.
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It's like this site. People come on and ask questions and then get up in arms if they get the answers they came looking for but they didn't get them the way they wanted to - all sugarcoated and sweet. Maybe if they opened their eyes as to what is behind our answers, trying to educate, maybe then things will start changing. Maybe. What do we have to lose by trying? A faceless entity behind a computer?
Education. It has to start somewhere.
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Old June 29th, 2010, 09:28 AM
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I agree with everyone, don't change your routine. This man should realize that he needs to teach his son to be careful around all dogs. People expect the dog owner to be the only one that is careful, but they don't realize they also have to take responsibility. It's people like this guy who have their kids bitten then complain about the dog, when it could have easily been prevented had they taught their child on how to properly approach any animal.
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14+, that guy doesn't sound like the sort to take even written advice the right way, I think I would go with Luvmypitgirl's advice about moving on.
Even if he doesn't take the advice right away, it will always be in the back of his mind and maybe as he matures he may reconsider and educate himself.
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I agree with 14+,,,a person may not like what or how you say something but it doesn't mean that some part of their brain doesn't retain it to be thought on later. BB i would continue taking the same route,,,if the little one approaches again,,take the lead on teaching him how to approach buster..cut him off in his tracks and explain he has to approach slowly,,hand below the height of busters head,,etc etc..if you change routes the next doggie may not be as friendly as Buster and could do damage...see now the evil part of my brain is saying charge at the kid with your arms flailing and when he cries or back up tell the father he is aggressive etc,,etc...aren't you glad i posted what the good part of my brain thought.
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aslan - you are bad!!
Good thing I have to work today. Gotta stay out of trouble ...... maybe.
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see now i would so do that to the kid just to get my point across to the father,,,hmmm maybe that's why the mods keep an eye on me..
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see now i would so do that to the kid just to get my point across to the father,,,hmmm maybe that's why the mods keep an eye on me..
Yep. That's the whole reason. You're crazy and they know it!! So does that make the rest of us guilty be association?
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...see now the evil part of my brain is saying charge at the kid with your arms flailing and when he cries or back up tell the father he is aggressive etc,,etc...
and if that doesn't get the point across at least the kid will be so scared of BB that he'll never run up to Buster again
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some people want you to compromise your position for the sake of their self/family's pleasure.

its stupid.
you shouldn't teach the kid though. not that it wouldnt be a good learning experience. the father sounds like a pr!ck.
some parents just dont like someone talking to their children, let alone teaching them some things.

just dont even waste your time with this guy, its useless. he sounds narrow minded and very opinionated. you'll just end up getting whatever it is that you do thrown back at you.

try a simple "ah ah!" with a "be careful" with lots of eye contact towards the kid.

hes gonna have to learn what "thats mine, not yours" means some time or another.
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You got that out of a couple of written lines? Wow! You're good!!
But you know what. You never know until you try. Maybe no one has ever taken the time to show him how to react around dogs. Maybe no one has taken the time to explain to him the importance of giving dogs space.

The OP is already being told her dog is vicious, she's already tried a few times she said to make the guy see sense. She is the one he'll be annoyed at if she hands him stuff about how to rear his child, not any of you. I'd say he'd be pretty furious if anything happened to his precious child too. I'd be walking by on the opposite side of the street. Why not walk your own dogs past so you can educate him?
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try a simple "ah ah!" with a "be careful" with lots of eye contact towards the kid.

hes gonna have to learn what "thats mine, not yours" means some time or another.
ummm that would be educating the child wouldn't it?
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Why not walk your own dogs past so you can educate him?
I would at the drop of a hat. Parents need to learn that just because little junior poopypants wants something doesn't mean he gets it. If you want your child to be treated with respect then teach your child to be respectful. I have on more than one occassion told someone " no" they can't pat my dogs,,,not because i have a fear of my dogs reaction,,but because of how the person approaches my dogs. Yeah fine my dogs are super cute,,,doesn't give you the right to come up and maul them anymore than i have the right to walk up and scoop your child up and hug the bejesus out of them.
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I personally think of a child of 2 not as a little junior poopypants but as a tiny human who needs protecting, and who is too young really to know or understand the risks in this situation. If the dog barked at this little child then I don't blame the man for getting uptight, and what if the warning bark becomes a bite next time? If he already thinks it vicious, do you think he'll see sense if his kid is hurt? Why put your dog in that position? I am certainly not saying she should let the child anywhere near her dog .
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but goldfields if his child wasn't rushing up at a strange dog then Buster wouldn't have barked..both of my nephew and both of my children were taught at the first possible moment the word " no"..unfortunately alot of children aren't being taught that now, they're being given everything they want or allowed to do whatever they want..The father of this child is responsible for the safety of the child,,thus teaching him,," no".. no you can't just run up to anydog,,no you can't pull the puppies ears/tail..no no no...my dogs understand no so i choose to believe a tiny human can too..it isn't BB's responsibility to teach the child,,but if the proper guardian isn't going to,,then for Busters safety it may be better that she does..why should she and buster be punished with having to alter their course at all?
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This sounds like the type of parent that thinks the world should revolve around his children .
Yep , and there's too many of them

Once at the vet with my golden Sam , while I was paying my bill , I turned around to see a young kid hanging from Sam's neck of course , Sam was an but I was so mad at the parents looking , smiling , not saying a word ... what if Sam would have bitten the child , I mean Sam was in pain , it could have happened ! It's not because it's a Golden aka cute dog that parents can let their kids do stupid things like this !

where I lived before , kids were alway playing in the streets where I walked Bailey and Daisy , kids would come up to us running ... I was the one who had to educate them. Clearly , their parents never did tell them how to approach dogs.
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All you've just said Aslan shows that you know the guy isn't receptive to good advice. Do you think he wants a stranger educating his child? Of course it's up to the OP as to whether she wants that job, or is willing to put up with more animosity from the father.
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This sounds like the type of parent that thinks the world should revolve around his children
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Well most do. I would not change one thing that you Buster do, too bad for them.
You have just as much right to walk where you please.
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All you've just said Aslan shows that you know the guy isn't receptive to good advice. Do you think he wants a stranger educating his child? Of course it's up to the OP as to whether she wants that job, or is willing to put up with more animosity from the father.
no all i've said shows that i think the FATHER doesn't want to educate his own child..i said i would be willing to walk my dog past his house and deal with it accordingly...it's totally up to BB whether or not she does...personal opinion...so agree to disagree.
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if i were you buster,
i wouldnt look for any confrontation.

its pointless.
someone said it, and it sounds like a great idea. ignore the kid. and just keep walking.
body language says a lot. maybe if you dont look at the kid, the kid wont take those extra steps that are between you and him. sometimes kids wait for your reaction to continue.

75% of communication is body language.


just, if you dont want to have to deal with it, walk on the other side of the street a few houses ahead, and then go back to the other side when you pass their house.

but then again, the kid might run accross the street, get hit by a car and then the father will you sue you. stuff like that can happen. not likely, but it can.
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Just from personal experience, I would not provoke the encounter only because in the end, the dog may pay for the child's and father's behaviour. If anyone knows me well, they know I am so darn stubborn and would normally continue my business without making any concessions.

Just the fact that this guy says the dog is aggressive, in his mind the dog is and will always be. He sounds like an arrogant idiot and due to this, no education will help him as his ego is the size of a friggen 40 lbs smartie.

To avoid any altercation with the dog and either the man or the child, I say change your pattern. Unfortunately there are people who just don't get it, and there will altimately be a price to pay somewhere down the road.

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