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Old November 19th, 2006, 07:39 PM
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4 weeks on new food and still no improvement in runny stools..

Hey guys,
I was hoping someone could give me a bit of help with my current situation. I brought home Duke, my now 14 week old Rotti/German Shepherd/ Collie puppy home about 4 weeks ago and he was originally on a very crappy diet of Nutrience and Gensis puppy food. I wanted to switch him onto something good and after doing much research on different brands and specific ingredients I decided Wellness which I was already feeding my cats was my best choice until he was older and would then consider a raw food diet. I tried to switch him over slowly over the course of a week starting off doing 1/4 Wellness and 3/4 Old stuff for a few days and then moving to 1/2 Wellness and 1/2 old stuff for a few more days and then to 3/4 Wellness and 1/4 old stuff until he was eating just Wellness. As I expected the first few days his stools were very runny and poor however they began to improve. Then just as quickly as it seemed they were getting better some trips to bathroom resulted in extremely runny/ soft stools while some where perfectly fine.

My vet gave Duke something to settle his stomach which dramatically helped improve his stools however once he was done the week treatment for upset stomach they went back to very runny/soft again. This leads me to believe his system simple isn't digesting it but I really don't want to switch down to a crappy lower food. I tried asking my vet about it but she just tried pushing hills on me and told me Wellness was very poor in comparison *cough cough*, which dosen't surprise me as most vets I have ever delt with seem to know surprisingly little outside of medical conditions.

Could anyone maybe suggest me some other high qaulity brands that I could try without going to a crap food that he might have a better time digesting? I want to look into feeding raw when hes older, hes just going to eat so much over the next 7-8 months that it'll be to costly to keep up and would rather wait till hes full grown and wont need as much.

I've also heard adding fresh pumkin can greatly help adjusting to a new food, I actually have alot of fresh raw pumkin in my fridge from halloween that weve been using for pumkin pie, can i add this to his food or do I need to bake it and then add it?

The ingredients for Wellness are listed here incase it helps.

Deboned Chicken, Chicken Meal, Oatmeal, Ground Barley, Salmon Meal (natural source of DHA-Docosahexaneoic acid), Canola Oil (preserved with mixed tocopherols, a natural source of vitamin E), Ground Brown Rice, Tomato Pomace, Rice Bran (from brown rice), Tomatoes (natural source of Lycopene), Natural Chicken Flavor, Rye Flour, Carrots, Spinach, Sweet Potatoes, Apples, Blueberries, Ground Millet, Flaxseed, Potassium Chloride.

Minerals
Zinc Sulfate, Zinc Proteinate (a chelated source of zinc), Iron Proteinate (a chelated source of iron), Ferrous Sulfate, Copper Proteinate (a chelated source of copper), Copper Sulfate, Manganese Proteinate (a chelated source of manganese), Manganese Sulfate, Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite.

Vitamins
Beta Carotene, Vitamin E Supplement, Vitamin C, Vitamin A Supplement, Niacin, Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin, Vitamin D-3 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Folic Acid, Biotin, Vitamin B-12 Supplement, Choline Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, Dicalcium Phosphate, Taurine, Mixed Tocopherols (a natural preservative), Chicory Root Extract, Garlic, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Green Tea Extract, Lactobacillus Plantarum, Enterococcus Faecium, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus acidophilus

WellnessŪ uses ethoxyquin-free protein sources.

Guaranteed Analysis
Crude Protein Not Less Than 28.0%
Crude Fat Not Less Than 17.0%
Crude Fiber Not More Than 5.0%
Moisture Not More Than 11.0%
Calcium Not Less Than 1.30%
Vitamin E Not Less Than 150 IU/kg
Omega 6 Fatty Acids Not Less Than 3.0%
Omega 3 Fatty Acids Not Less Than 1.0%
Beta Carotene* Not Less Than 5 mg/kg
DHA* Not Less Than 0.13%
Lycopene* Not Less Than 0.25 mg/kg
Taurine* Not Less Than 0.09%

Thanks alot
Kayla
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Old November 19th, 2006, 07:55 PM
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Wellness is a good food, but I've had very little success with it. It gave Buster crazy explosive butt diarhea!

If you want to browse dog food ingredients here's a good thread :http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=28957

Is Timberwolf Organics available around where you live? They are just starting to sell in Ontario (not in Quebec yet ), but it's one of the top foods IMO...
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Old November 19th, 2006, 10:03 PM
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Did Duke have any issues with chicken before ? Grains ? Are you giving him a different type of treat? You might want to feed him plain rice for a day or two until his stomach settles. Rather than adding pumpkin at this stage (which you can later by shredding and steaming it to soften) you might want to try psyllium to add some fibre/ bulk to his stool. After a few days of plain rice and once his poop is "firmish" try adding chicken to see whether he has a food allergy. If you think it may me a food allergy, try that process with a number of proteins until you find one he can tolerate and do the same with grains (it's possible he can't tolerate grains at all). Once you establish what he can eat you can either find a kibble with the necessary ingredients or look at a homecooked/ raw diet.
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Old November 19th, 2006, 10:59 PM
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when dakotah was a puppy, the only food that gave him firm stools was raw... we did all the kibbles, to no avail. now that he's older he can digest some kibble, very little at a time, with a digestive enzyme.. you might want to give that a try. go to your local pharmacy and look for a "broad spectrum" digestive enzyme, and give one before mealtimes. also a probiotic to help settle the GI tract might help. I have heard of many dogs not doing well on wellness (no pun intended!) even if it's a good food, it might be too rich. your puppy sounds adorable though, do you have any photos?
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Old November 20th, 2006, 05:11 AM
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My pup had poor poo when he was younger as well. Sometimes they just don't have the stomach for some things. He did great stool wise on Canidae, but we switched him off due to allergies. He went onto wellness vension, perfect stools for a week or so, then bam, the runs, switched to DVP venison, great stools, then BAM, more runs. 1 wek i put him on medical hypercrap and no change. So i finally went to Canidae lamb and rice and wow, best stools ever! (if you can say that lol) At the end i was giving him some plain yoghurt as well as pumpkin. Make sure its real pumpkin and not just pie filler. But he did great on the Canidae lamb meal & Rice. We do feed a raw diet, and his stools in comparison to when he was on kibble, are about 1/4 of the size. Theyre mostly firm, but I find on days when he gets liver they get a bit softer. Same with tripe, a bit softer.

I would say mix some plain yoghurt with pumpkin in with his meals and see how that goes.
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Old November 20th, 2006, 05:21 AM
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Gomez had the same problems until we put him on Burns - any flavour of it and he digests it very well, great coat and super-healthy.

http://www.burns-pet-nutrition.co.uk/index.htm

Beware the yoghurt - not every dog can deal with it - Gomez got very, very ill when we started giving him even just a teaspoon...
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