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June 14th, 2007, 04:05 PM
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Supplements to heal pelvic fractures
A friend of mine has a 100+ lb black labby who was recently run over by a pickup. The xrays showed two pelvic fractures--one on the top of the pelvic girdle, the other down the side. The breaks are still articulated and there doesn't appear to be any damage to the hips.
My friend wants to know if anyone has any suggestions as to supplements that might help Max heal faster. Glucosamine-chondroitin has already been suggested. Does anyone have any other suggestions? Calcium? Vitamins? Any suggestions will be welcome. Thanks!
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June 14th, 2007, 05:48 PM
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You could check out this article, (scroll down, it's underneath the ad). The article is geared to people, not dogs specifically but it may give some ideas. I would think a really good quality diet would help. And if they are looking into homeopathic remedies, I found an article from a back issue of Animal Wellness that mentions "Symphytum, also called knitbone, used to promote bone healing after a fracture."
Green-lipped mussels are supposed to be good for joints, and kelp has anti-inflammatory properties (just be careful as some kelp supplements have detectable levels of arsenic). Besides glucosamine/chondroitin, that's all I could come up with.
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June 14th, 2007, 09:50 PM
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Thanks, SableCollie. It's geared towards humans, but at least now he can call the vet and ask about specific supplements. He's pretty worried, although Max seems to be doing better day by day.
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June 15th, 2007, 05:58 AM
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I think jello (gelitan) has something in it that's good for building bones? no?
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June 15th, 2007, 07:55 AM
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June 15th, 2007, 05:50 PM
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I have used this before...
www.rivasremedies.com SPECIALIZED NUTRIENTS: Bone-Up more info... Essential nutrition for all bone and joint conditions: bone and cartilage development, healing of injuries, fractures, arthritis, tendons, ligaments, and muscle contraction. Ingredients: Calcium Citrate, Vitamin B6
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June 15th, 2007, 07:45 PM
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The Bone-up is listed for use in equines. Does it work in canines as well?
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June 15th, 2007, 08:56 PM
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Yes, it works the same. I used it on a rottie who was hit by a car. I actually phoned Marijke to ensure that it was ok.
They have a toll free number, and she is very nice, and of course, HUGELY knowledgeable.
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June 15th, 2007, 09:11 PM
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My brother's chocolate lab takes glucausamine (sp?) and it works quite well. I am not sold on many of the others. A good diet, rest and a healthy lifestyle and even physiotherapy are also helpful adjuncts. Good luck!!!
Make sure you break up the glucausamine in his food since some dogs experience digestive problems with these supplements. And if you do not do it that way, at least give it to him with food.
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June 15th, 2007, 09:56 PM
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We use Cosequin DS with our dogs and I suggested he try it with his labby. It comes in a capsule that you can open up and sprinkle over the food.
But do you think the glucosamine/chondroitin will help fractures, CK? Seems like it's better with cartilage and connective tissues. My reason for suggesting it was to keep Max's hips flexible during the inactivity of his convalescence and to help repair any cartilage damage that might have occurred when the truck rolled over him. Does it offer bone benefits, too?
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June 16th, 2007, 07:39 PM
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Sorry to hear about your friends dog. :sad:
Extra protien will help the bones to heal faster. Calcium phosphate, magnesium, and Vit D are essential in bone healing. Your friend can supplement what the dog gets through his diet until he's completely healed. Horsetail and alfalfa are good supplements for mending bones.  please send get better wishes!
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June 16th, 2007, 07:45 PM
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Thanks, One Beagle Girl. Magnesium, too, eh? I'll pass it on.
Max is standing on his own today, but will need towel-walking for about 3 weeks. The vet hopes he'll be up to swimming by 4 weeks. Right now, though, Max is still pretty sore and bruised, poor dear.
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June 16th, 2007, 08:04 PM
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Poor Max.
Yucca can help with pain and inflammation. Holistic Blend has one, I've seen it in a few pet food stores.
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June 16th, 2007, 08:28 PM
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June 20th, 2007, 07:24 PM
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arnica can also help with imflammation, bruising and swelling.
i've used it myself for post-operative healing. you are supposed to hold the tablets under your tongue and let them dissolve, so i'm not sure how this would be used in a dog, but might be worth looking into. maybe if he could be held while it dissolved between his lips and gums? just a thought... i have also used Yucca for my dog's arthritis and had very positive results. i know thay have human supplements available on the web.
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June 20th, 2007, 08:39 PM
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Arnica. I've never even heard of it! Is it a plant extract? I think a pill slipped along the outside of the molars but inside the cheek might stay in place. If it's not too big, I don't think it would bother a dog enough to make them try to get it out...
Yucca I've heard of, but never for arthritis before! Thanks for the tips, marine's girlie. 
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June 20th, 2007, 08:44 PM
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Arnica you have to watch carefully when taken internally because it can act as a heart stimulant. I use it topically (in tincture form) on bruises and sprains, it is good for pain/swelling.
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June 20th, 2007, 08:55 PM
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Well poor Max has plenty of pain and swelling. I wonder if he'd allow anyone to put anything on his poor bruises. The poor boy cries when he thinks someone is going to touch him. :sad:
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June 21st, 2007, 11:26 AM
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Arnica is a homeopathic that comes in pill form, or cream to apply topically. You put it under the tounge so that it comes into contact with the mucus membranes. Works VERY well for any type of inflammation. You don't need the dog variety, you can use the people version.
Talk to your health food store, and I'm sure they can help. Normally with this type of injury, you need to administer quite frequently. Good luck!
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June 21st, 2007, 12:01 PM
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Thanks, gypsy_girl. I'll pass on the info!
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June 21st, 2007, 01:28 PM
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We are not vets. and therefore cannot give you advice on any medications. Please ask your vet. as to what to give, how much according to your dog's weight. Self-medicating either for cats, dogs and humans can be dangerous. It could do more damage than good. Please be careful and ask your vet. After all they are the ones that studied this stuff for several years and are qualified to answer these questions. Even natural supplements are considedered "medications".
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June 21st, 2007, 02:18 PM
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I agree with kiara. As a physician, I would want to know what other meds the dogs is on, what his history is - does he have a heart condition - many questions - before recommending any medication!!! You should ask your vet. I do know Glucausamine (sp?) (1/2 tab once a day ) helps the my favourite chocolate lab and it has been studied more than the others mentioned- some of these have no good scientific evidence behind them. I have to admit I still question it as well - but some people seem to say it works but as you know, anecdotal evidence is meaningless. Plus, you might read the side effects ans so forth of Glucausamine before recommending it or certainly taking it.
Also keep in mind the weight f the dog but please check with your vet before giving it to him. I mentioned my brother's lab but he is under the care of a vet who recommended the glucausamine. (sp????) I never prescribe it - there are no notable studies as to its efficacy with children and teens. There are studies funded by dubious sources but I don't give any credence to them.
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June 21st, 2007, 07:58 PM
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Good points, but Max is under the care of a vet, so I think he'll be okay. Just went in again this morning, as a matter of fact. His owner is simply looking for supplements to help him heal faster. But everything he tries is with the vet's knowledge.
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