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Old March 16th, 2007, 03:23 PM
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And it's good that petcurean finally offers a different food that doesn't have the usual abundance of grains as their other foods tend to...
you could say the same thing about Solid Gold and Nature's Variety and...
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hehe, yep. Now if they could give us something in between, I'd be a happy girly.
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Old March 16th, 2007, 03:36 PM
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yeah, what is the deal with that? why not put a 30% or 35% protein food on the market that's not contaminated with junk ingredients? why is it only max 26% and then you jump to 42% hmmmmm
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Old March 16th, 2007, 03:40 PM
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Yeah, I want 31%. That's what I want.
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I think this is a win situation for those of us who choose to feed grain-free kibble. We have a choice. Incidentally both Orijen & Go! are made in Alberta. And that's a good thing for our pups. thumbs up
Go Natural is made in Abbotsford, B.C.
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Old March 16th, 2007, 07:11 PM
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hehe, yep. Now if they could give us something in between, I'd be a happy girly.
TO'S Wild & Natural is 36%
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Old March 16th, 2007, 07:33 PM
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TO'S Wild & Natural is 36%
lol but it's got chicken, no?
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Old March 16th, 2007, 10:11 PM
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Yes, it does....but there's always Great Life with buffalo (protein 33%):

Buffalo:
Raw Food:
Freeze dried buffalo, freeze dried buffalo liver, freeze dried ground buffalo bone, fresh bok choy, inulin, green tripe, fresh mixed baby sprouts, coral calcium + 74 trace minerals, active pre & probiotics, full spectrum digestive enzymes all enclosed in wild salmon and organic coconut oil.

Wholistic Kibble:
Buffalo meat, tapioca, jicama, yams, pumpkin, peas, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), flaxseed, suncured alfalfa meal, blueberries, cranberries, kelp, eggs, mangosteen reishi mushroom, turkey tail, artichoke, garlic, parsley, kale. full spectrum chelated minerals and vitamins.

(Buffalo is a very clean, leaner, meat source with no known health problems. It is a good food for dogs with allergies.)

Analysis

Buffalo

Protein 33%

Fat 17.77%

Fiber max 4%

Moisture 10% max

D.E. CAL/LB 1723
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Old March 16th, 2007, 10:13 PM
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my god that raw looks tassssty...
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Old March 16th, 2007, 10:18 PM
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prin pretty soon we'll have you inching your way towards raw! LOL!!
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In post #18 in this thread http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=37626 Geisha says that Orijen is coming out with a fish based kibble. Probably be higher protein though but you could mix it.
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Old March 16th, 2007, 11:14 PM
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Yeah, hopefully it won't have chicken. Hopefully! Some companies don't understand the point of alternate protein sources.
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Old March 16th, 2007, 11:26 PM
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I've found that Michele at Petcurean and Peter at Champion Foods to be the most "open" to ideas. You should email them and let them know. Also, Innova but I can't remember her name....I can see if I saved her email and let you know.
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Old March 16th, 2007, 11:28 PM
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Thanks.
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Old March 16th, 2007, 11:43 PM
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I have two names for Innova: Sharon Holden and Veronica Moreno.
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I am not sure how GO! can be considered "grainy" as the carbohydrate content in the Chicken and Vegetetable DOG is at 25%,as I asked,versus most grain free at 14%-16%.
Also the crude protein level of chicken meal/turkey meal/fish meal (herring salmon etc) runs between 63%-66%. So little difference there.
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Old March 17th, 2007, 07:24 PM
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Hi there. I just wanted to clarify that when I emailed Petcurean in January asking where Go! was produced they replied Alberta.
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Old March 17th, 2007, 11:38 PM
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I am not sure how GO! can be considered "grainy" as the carbohydrate content in the Chicken and Vegetetable DOG is at 25%,as I asked,versus most grain free at 14%-16%.
Where'd you get 25%?

Crude Protein (min) 24%
Crude Fat (min) 14%
Crude Fiber (min) 3.5%
Moisture (min) 10%
Ash (max) 7%

Not much else left other than carbs and starches, and that all adds up to 58.5%... What's the other 41.5%?

But I mean, just looking at it, it's grainy...
Chicken Meal, Chicken, Whole Brown Rice, Whole White Rice, Whole Barley, Sunflower Oil, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols (vit. E), Salmon Meal, Dried Whole Potatoes, Rice Bran...

Rice is by far #1 when you combine the three, right?
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Old March 18th, 2007, 09:21 PM
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That's what they replied to me when I asked. I see your point about the splitting thing, but it is 42% meat inclusion (how much is meat or meal I don't know) Maybe some of that protein is plant protein????
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Old March 18th, 2007, 09:41 PM
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Yeah, it's sneaky. It's always sneaky.
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Old March 18th, 2007, 11:35 PM
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okay

so here is may take on it...
Because everything is expressed as minimums

27%protein
17%fat (which makes sense as the calories are so high
5%fiber (include the veggies)
10% moisture
7% ash
25% carb
9% Glucosamine, Chondrotin, Yucca, Garlic etc

Looks like it could work, not sure about the Glucosamine levels etc
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Old March 18th, 2007, 11:39 PM
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It's highly unlikely that the supplements would add up to 9%... They're more like 1 or 2%...

And it's unlikely that the protein and fat would be much higher than the minimum because that would affect costs significantly, whereas adding more carb would not.

We'll never know unless we make the food ourselves.
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Old March 18th, 2007, 11:59 PM
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Okay

so then how come the calories are so high, and it feeds like it too? Considering that fat provides 2 1/4 times the calories it kinda makes sense to me
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Old March 19th, 2007, 12:00 AM
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What's the calories/cup amount?
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Old March 19th, 2007, 12:03 AM
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one minute after....

617 per cup
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Old March 19th, 2007, 12:15 AM
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hmm... weird because Evo RM is only 487 I think...
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Old March 19th, 2007, 12:21 AM
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Yes, I have pondered this too.... I am wondering if the amount of energy required for glucogenesis (turning protein to glucose) requires energy that takes away from the calorie count?? Because carbs are already sugar, there would be little energy expended????
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Old March 19th, 2007, 12:24 AM
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Not really because protein and fat have more calories per gram than sugar does.
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Old March 19th, 2007, 12:47 AM
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According to the textbooks, protein and carbs supply 4 calories per gram, and fats/oils 9, so where does THAT leave us?
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Old March 19th, 2007, 12:52 AM
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Back in the sneakiness of dog food mumbo jumbo and contemplating our own dog food company.
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