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Tre & Cyrus Front cover of T Star
Chick a boom boom, Tre and Cyrus are on the front cover of the Toronto Star this morning. I have a bulletin board behind me at work so I think I will cut out this picture and have something pleasant to look at when I am bored .
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Today Matt Galloway interviewed Lee Oliver, spokesperson for the Humane Society. Mr. Oliver said that the THS does in fact issue its Agents handcuffs and that they receive training in how to use them. He also admitted that the lines of communication between the THS and the OSPCA are nil. Two agencies speaking two different languages.
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The THS is an affiliate of the OSPCA and if it weren't it would have no powers to enforce the cruelty laws. The OSPCA oversees ALL investigative practices by ALL agents in the province.
Handcuffs are NOT issued to agents. This guy is a wannabe cop. |
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Actually habibi, Stacer is correct : according to Lee Oliver the pokesperson for the Toronto Humane Society, the THS DOES issue handcuffs to their agents per his interview with Matt Galloway on CBC Radio1 Friday afternoon. The OSPCA does not but that's means nothing. As I said in this thread or the other one, this is a beef bettwen the OSPCA and THS, Tre Smith a just a pawn.
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Hab, is also correct. Agents are not issued handcuffs. Also Toronto HS is I believe the only Agents that are issued Vests. Even though Tre is employed by THS, his boss is his regional inspector. As an agent, you are in CLOSE contact with your inspector on a regular basis. Contacting them on cruelty cases. Meaning, Lets say my boss at work says one thing, but my regional inspector says another..I have to listen to my regional inspector.
Yes, THS are issued cuffs, what Tre did, he was in the wrong. Once you handcuff someone, they are your reponisblity, under your care. You can't walk away from someone in cuffs. Yes, I understand why Tre left the scene. If you are a Agent, Head Office/regional inspector is your boss. They oversee everything that you do, and your monthly reports that have to be handed in to head office every month. This situation falls on them...Head Office...and they have to act accordingly. I understand where they are coming from. ACO22 Last edited by NoahGrey; August 18th, 2007 at 05:08 PM. |
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[QUOTE=mummummum;466269]Actually The OSPCA does not but that's means nothing. [QUOTE]
Even though the OSPCA does not issue handcuffs, Tre is still acting as a Agent for the OSPCA. He has procudures that he has to follow under the OSPCA Act. He is acting as a Agent, This has everything to do with the OSPCA. ACO22 Last edited by NoahGrey; August 18th, 2007 at 05:08 PM. |
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If THS is "issuing" handcuffs, then they must answer to the OSPCA regarding whether that action is appropriate and how the training is handled. And, I would presume that permission would be necessary. This is a bit of a can of worms, I would think. Same goes for the night stick.
Sorry, but Mr. Smith seems to be a wannabe in my eyes.... oh so handsome in his uniform (or so some say, but I disagree) and quite the hero figure to his groupies. He's lapping this up. |
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This is a puerile tantrum spearheaded by the OSPCA on the THS. |
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Tre is a hero in my eyes, wonder what a police officer would do if it was a human's life was hanging by a thread, he/she was the only one on scene and he/she had the perpetrator handcuffed and the ambulance was a half hour away. Would the officer let a human die, because he/she had to stay at the scene to supervise the perp? In my eyes a life is a life and Tre did not believe that Mr. Idiot was in any danger.
I think Tre was in a lose/lose situation. If he let the dog die, he would be persecuted by the public for that. Tough decision for anybody at the time, easy for anybody looking at it after the fact. |
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I agree that Cyrus' life is important, but it could just have easily been the suspects life that was in danger. What if the passerby had stabbed the guy instead of hitting him? Liability stinks, but these laws are created to protect everyone, you'll never know how thankful you should be for them unless you've had something happen to you by a person of authority.
I think because we love animals so much, that sometimes we lose sight of the human beings that the law is created to protect. A child molester might recieve a mere two years in jail, they are then released back into society where it's likely that they will reoffend, why aren't we lobbying to have those laws changed? I honestly don't think that we can protect our pets until our children are safe, after we've accomplished that feat, those in power will be able to focus on protecting animals. So while I think animals are important, I also think that human beings are important. The former police officer who added his two cents earlier said that an acceptable choice would have been to let suspect go, he had the licence, they knew who he was. He could have been picked up after the fact. I'm not some low life who feels bad for the suspect, but when you work with people who are constantly in trouble because the wielding of power is being mismanaged, you begin to realize why these laws are made, and why they should be respected, by all parties, even if they are someone who MIGHT have broken the law, or someone who is supposed to uphold the law. In Canada, a suspect is innocent until proven guilty, which is fantastic, because you don't ever want to be presumed guilty until you can pay someone to prove your innocence.
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Things that make you go "Hmmm"... Habibi, how interesting that you apparently have joined this forum at the onset of this issue and have only commented on this issue. Is there anything you would like to tell us about who employs you and whether you are here at their behest to do some spin doctoring and damage control?
Anyway ~ I checked the THS site today for an update. Dated August 29thm, the bulletin states that 17 days after filing all the documents demanded by the OSPCA they have learned that OSPCA Chief Investigator Hugh Coghill is on vacation. This further stalls the investigation and Tre Smith's licence remains suspended. |
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Also, I think Tre didn't write a report and have it submitted to head office by a certain date. He sent one after the fact. I think this raises head office supicions about how it was handled. I could be wrong though. Would also like to comment on, How THS worded this statement. They are trying to make it like...yes..we did everything right and look we can't go further because someone is on vacation. Maybe if THS would have written his report by the date stated by OSPCA, Mr. Coghill would not have been on vacation and Tre could possibly be off of suspension? This matter could go through the Animal Care review board. Which could be long. I am not siding with THS or OSPCA. They both have their pro and cons. ACO22 Last edited by NoahGrey; September 8th, 2007 at 01:05 PM. |
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