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Old October 30th, 2008, 09:38 PM
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I am so sad and distraught.

Nevermind.

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Old October 30th, 2008, 10:26 PM
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OMG, he's just a 7 month old kitten who is just playing. If you're that unable to control your anger, I would suggest finding him another home before you hurt him.
Spritzing him with a water bottle when he jumps up on the counter will keep him off it.

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Old October 30th, 2008, 10:40 PM
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Thanks clm for saying that. I think this kitty needs a new home too if your anger can't be contained. It is not fair to her to treat her like this. If you aren't willing to take the time to teach her properly, and that is not "dropping her outside your room", then she needs to be rehomed.

On a personal note.......have you seen a doctor for your issues? I know from my son's problems that there are lots of free programs out there where you can get the help you need. Your doctor or an emergency room doctor can put you in touch with some. Please, do yourself and your poor baby kitty a huge favour and go get some help. My son had major issues in the past. He has been doing great for the last four years.
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Old October 30th, 2008, 10:47 PM
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Getting rid of her or eventually not being able to control my anger... it all tears me apart inside. I'm not an angry person. I can't handle this.
Please consult a doctor for your condition , don't take it out on your kitten.
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Old October 31st, 2008, 07:41 AM
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Your kitten can feel your anger, whether you actually touch or speak. Your kitten is still a baby and wants to play and craves your attention. It is unreasonable for you to think that she should be showing you gratitude for rescuing her and to behave in the manner you feel she should. Cats just can't reason that way.

Please consult with your doctor about your depression and anger, there are meds and counselling out there that can help you.

In the meantime, consider rehoming your kitty before your anger takes control and you hurt that poor innocent baby who can't protect herself.
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Old October 31st, 2008, 08:37 AM
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Could it be that your kitten is ailing from some medical problem? Are there others in the home that may be mishandling the baby?

I can sense your frustration and perhaps animals are not for you. Not everyone is suitable for pets...and that is ok. Please consider maybe finding another home that will maybe have more patience. Animals have a way of sensing when a human passes negative energy and they will react to it.

Please contact a rescue organization that can assist you in finding a suitable home.

I wish you the best of luck and peace of mind.
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Old October 31st, 2008, 08:45 AM
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Maybe someone else in your family can take your kitten for a little while, until you get your anger and frustration under control...

Kittens are extremely playful, gosh Mako used to hunt us from behind the couch and beds... legs and arms make GREAT prey animals for a growing kitten!

Please use your best judgement and I hope that everything works out for you!
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Old October 31st, 2008, 08:55 AM
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Fudge regards everything and everyone as her toy.She attacks and bites everything.Tess,Molly and Nell are her usual victims,they leave when she gets to out of control.We let her attack,but if she gets really violent we end the game.Picking up a kitten when it's in full "Attack "mode is not a good idea all the aggression will be directed to you,just let it go.Don't get mad,I know it's not easy,but it will pass.Fudge also has her own room,were she also goes for a few minute time out.We never get mad and throw her in just put her in for a few minutes to mellow out a bit!!It all seems to be working patience pays off.Besides it's still better than when Beau ate a couch or Sage tore up an entire linoleum floor when they were puppies
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Old October 31st, 2008, 08:59 AM
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Lise, I was thinking the same thing about what my dogs did as puppies... I'd stick with kitten antics ANYDAY over what puppies do!

My mom had the back yard sodded once while her black Lab Prissy was young, and Prissy brought the squares of sod in through the dog doors on to the carpet in the living room!

Give the kitten a chance to grow up, or definitely rehome her!
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Old October 31st, 2008, 09:06 AM
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I as well have a cat that will attack me while on the phone. She also gets upset when I remove her from the counter. When this type of behaviour happens, I certainly do not pick her up.

The reason that this cat in particular does this is because she was strangled by some idiot. Due to this incident, it has left her a little 'weird' - but I do have history on why it happens. I do not plan on re-homing her. I made the committment to keep her forever, and I have to accept who she is, as she has to accept me. This is not to say that everyone can tolerate this, and just because I can does not mean that I expect everyone to follow suit.

I cannot judge you as a person after all you are requesting input on this forum. What I can CONFIDENTLY say however, if you are not able to continue with being this pet's owner, then it may be in the best interest for you and absolutely the kitten to find a safe environment for her/him.
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Old October 31st, 2008, 10:30 AM
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Good Morning and welcome to the forum mischief. Welcome to the board.

A few questons WHats the kitties name ?

Is this your first time keeping a cat?

AT months she is still abit of a kitten and trainingers is pre may not be possible till she is a bit older

HAs she been spayed?
keeping cats off countrers are pretty hard you have to make it uncomfortale for therm sometimes bubble wrap will keeo them off they dont really like the feel on thirr paws there is also the old water sprits when you see her just give her a sprits with a water spryer a small sprits will do

as for as attaciking hands if you stay still and ssquel or miaw back eventually she will stop

also she wants to play a lot get some toys or make some toys light things she cand bat around. a piece of string she can chase a lazer pointer is fantastic use yout imagination

As some of the other folks said cats and dogs pick up your frustration and anger and will act on that
r cat is being a cat freustratung silly and doing things you dont want em to do lol talk to onster about that


As far as bieng on a counter i never minded my cats there thay are in side cats so they are pretty clean n and i just wash the counter when i want to use it .


patince kindness and gentleness works maybe you can look at it this way, since you are young as a good chance to learn how to control your anger so that in the future frustration will be nothing you can not handle .

good luck and keep us posted ok

ps.. grabbing her by the xcruff is okay as long as you put you hand under her bottom when you lift her put scopping her is better scoop her up with one hand while you scruff her gennly

you didnt hurt her and you havent done any thong wrong i ve had to kick kits out of bedrooms for years!!! lol

again best of luck dont get too bent out of shape cats is just beiog a cat






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Old October 31st, 2008, 10:48 AM
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This kitten came from a bad home.So have you thought that maybe there is a reason this kitten is afraid of hands?

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See, she's at the age where I am teaching her to get off tables and other basic principles...
Your teaching her now at this age? This should have started months ago.

I have a cat that attacks.He's done this since he was 8 weeks old(adopted him at that age)..He was born deaf and has issues.He's 5 now.I have scars on the back of my legs of him doing the "bite and dash"..And no he was never abused.You can hold him and he will purr one minute then bite the next.It's not easy training a deaf cat.And he is VOCAL like crazy.

I have lived with depression for 28 years.There are Meds out there that help.I haven't been on any for some time as I have learned to control things. If at times I did get angry,I would never ever take it out on my animals OR my daughter. My daughter suffers from it also along with my sister. We inherited it from my mother,and my daughter from me.

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Getting rid of her or eventually not being able to control my anger... it all tears me apart inside. I'm not an angry person. I can't handle this.
One minute you talk about not being able to control your anger,the next you say you are not an angy person.

Are you under the care of a doctor? Have you mentioned the anger?

Seems to me you may not have the patience for this kitten.

Kittens will playfully bite. If she does this while you are holding her and you don't like it,put her down and walk away. Try the waster bottle..She gets on the counter,spray her...This has never worked for my deaf cat as he loves water. You can also use citrus..Some cats don't like the orange smell. My deaf one will sit at the front door and meow VERY loud..I have a sprayer with half water half vinigar..I spray the door and area..They don't like the smell of vinegar..There are many things you can try. This ALL takes time and patience.

If you still can't handle this kitten,please find a new home for her..
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Old November 1st, 2008, 07:59 PM
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I didn't plan to elaborate but it appears my account has been locked. So I'd like to clarify this huge misunderstanding.

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Your teaching her now at this age? This should have started months ago.
It did start months ago; four, actually.

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I have lived with depression for 28 years.There are Meds out there that help.
My depression is different. I was born with a life expectancy of 14 years. I do not have a chemical imbalance in the context of feeling despair where it should not exist. It is simply very difficult to live with the fact that no matter what I do in life, I am going to be sick, in multiple ways.

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OMG, he's just a 7 month old kitten who is just playing.
My apologies, but you are wrong. It is a flat out attack. No matter if you scold her or speak gently, she will not back down until she manages to get one good attack in. She knows what she does is wrong, but still does it.

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It is not fair to her to treat her like this. If you aren't willing to take the time to teach her properly
If anything I have treated her too well. I have made many sacrifices and have raised her with nothing but love and affection. As a baby, I allowed her to poop on my carpet, just so I could put the feces in her litter box and effectively potty train her.

From day one I kept her in my room, door closed, for over a month. I was with her 24 hours a day until she was big enough to roam the house.

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One minute you talk about not being able to control your anger,the next you say you are not an angry person
So far my anger has been controlled, but can you really blame me for being frustrated when this happens repeatedly? I react to any behavior flaws as if it is my fault. It really casts a shadow on the efforts made when she does something that is so uncharacteristic.

In conclusion, I have never abused my kitty in any way. That does not mean that I don't think about how others may have reacted. Her actions hurt me in a way that I can only compare to having your best friend sleep with your lover. You never see it coming, and when it does, your logic fizzles out and there is no way to rationalize what made it happen.

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Old November 1st, 2008, 08:14 PM
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Sorry if you feel 'piled on' and thanks for the explanations. I'd have her checked out by a vet. Her moodiness may be something that can be corrected with medication. Or she may have a physical sensitivity (in some cats, it is the lower back) that sets her off. If you have a cell phone or a video camera and can manage to film her in the throes without getting slashed, to show the vet, all the better.

It is never too late to teach them appropriate behaviour. But they are animals and they will behave in ways we don't necessarily understand. So this has nothing to do with you personally, or your best efforts. Something is setting her off. What?

Certainly if she goes on the attack, make no effort to calm or correct her. Walk away immediately. Close the door on her.

But please speak to the vet, see it as a medical/behavioural problem rather than a failure on your part. It is not.

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Old November 1st, 2008, 08:36 PM
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My apologies, but you are wrong. It is a flat out attack. No matter if you scold her or speak gently, she will not back down until she manages to get one good attack in. She knows what she does is wrong, but still does it.



So far my anger has been controlled, but can you really blame me for being frustrated when this happens repeatedly? I react to any behavior flaws as if it is my fault. It really casts a shadow on the efforts made when she does something that is so uncharacteristic.

In conclusion, I have never abused my kitty in any way. That does not mean that I don't think about how others may have reacted. Her actions hurt me in a way that I can only compare to having your best friend sleep with your lover. You never see it coming, and when it does, your logic fizzles out and there is no way to rationalize what made it happen.

Thanks for your time.
Don't take it personally that this kitty may attack. Your kitty can't comprehend like a human.

I am still not clear whether is true aggressiveness or aggressive play. I think your deleted post stated that you got this kitten when it was 5 weeks. At that age, the kitten has not been properly socialized by its momma or siblings, meaning they would teach the kitten to be gentle.

If it is aggressive play, you can't try to soothe or be angry at the cat when this happens. You must immediately ignore the kitty and divert its attention to a toy. If you are picking the kitty up and it bites, then pull your hand away with a firm NO, if it continues to bite your other hand use a hand to redirect its mouth by placing your hand under the chin to a position that it can't get a hold of your hand.


As for jumping up on counters, that is a toughie and may take a lot of time to do. I have found the only way to do it is by placing my hand about a foot or two above the top of their head as they are ready to jump.

If it is aggressive, then a discussion with your vet to rule out any medical issues.
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Old November 1st, 2008, 08:41 PM
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For keeping her off the counters: if you've got the cash, there are spray bottles with motion detectors you can buy. I've heard they work quite well. Kitty gets a blast - and the message.
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Old November 3rd, 2008, 12:08 PM
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I have a motion-detector spray can I bought at Pet Valu for around $45+. It's called PSSSST! and really works. The cats hate it and have stayed off the kitchen counter. There's a warning beep, then spray. After a while you can turn off the spray, and the warning beep is enough. After not using the PSSST! for a while, the cats will test the counter, then I have to set it out again. I've had the can for over a year and still haven't run out of spray.
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