Is it just me...

[luckypenny]

Originally Posted by cassiek

Regardless, we can sit and debate this back and forth all we want. The point is, there always will be people who are misinformed or uniformed about any topic, and if we can help educate them all the better.

Amen....

[cassiek]

Originally Posted by aslan

the whole point Cassiek is that the people without the info don't need to post in those threads,,then it is up to the ones who can provide the information..It shouldn't be a concern of anyone elses. If someone comes here asking for information on breeding and the actual members with the information don't choose to post there is nothing we can do about it. We can however stop any form of bad feelings occuring with members and new members by just not posting anything if we can't give them the actual information they are seeking. Someone comes in and asks information about how to breed,when to breed,,don't respond with,,spay/neuter your pets,,nothing,,zip,nada..if they come in with a possible problem occurring durring delivery,,only thing i would post would be to go to the vet.

Isn't part of 'educating' these people as well is pointing out the benefits of spaying/neutering? Sure, someone can help them with delivery troubles, etc. but I don't see a problem with pointing out that in the future, they may want to consider fixing their pet? We don't need to be rude about it.

[Love4himies]

Originally Posted by ♥Animal lover♥

a lot of people don't have their pets 'fixed' for many reasons such as breeding or they dont have enough money its kinda like some parents choose not to get their kids braces because its to expensive or they think they dont need to. I have also noticed alot of people of won't have their pet's 'fixed' i have 4 animals 1 cat and 3 dogs the cat and older dog is fixed but the other 2 dogs are not because we want to breed one of them so we're getting one fixed and breeding the other


(Check out my forum 'swollen eye?' in the cat health section)

I would really love for admins/mods to have a standard reply that we had the option to use.

This just gives me pains in the pit of my stomach like you wouldn't believe

[cassiek]

Originally Posted by Love4himies

I agree, I am the same way. There is no excuse anymore, you can find out anything on the internet.

My thoughts too... I've had enough of the excuses, and think it's time for people to start taking some responsibility and accountability. But obviously judging from this thread, we are a long ways from that... there will always be people who are uninformed. If we can't provide them with the information they are looking for, we can point them in the right direction.

Originally Posted by Love4himies

I would really love for admins/mods to have a standard reply that we had the option to use.

This just gives me pains in the pit of my stomach like you wouldn't believe

Me too.

[mikischo]

I agree it is probably best to close. I am happy to see that the majority of people who posted here are open to being less judgmental. It is great that more than the usual number had the opportunity to share their thoughts.

Thanks for starting this thread, Cassiek. It got to be bigger than you expected but I believe in a good way.

It's your thread and your decision, if you wish to close it.

[Loki Love]

Another forum I'm a member of has taken the stance that the forum, as a whole, advocates only responsible breeding. Why not just close down the threads that indicate otherwise? No harm, no foul - just a statement, thread is locked. This would in fact, go hand in hand with being pro spay/neuter and mainly being a pet forum, and avoiding the whole pet breeding, byb questions altogether?

The reality is, as others have pointed out, no responsible breeder is going to come to pets.ca to ask for help - no offense to any members here, but I'm pretty sure we can all agree on that.

Just my

[aslan]

Originally Posted by cassiek

Isn't part of 'educating' these people as well is pointing out the benefits of spaying/neutering? Sure, someone can help them with delivery troubles, etc. but I don't see a problem with pointing out that in the future, they may want to consider fixing their pet? We don't need to be rude about it.

but that isn't what the OP is asking in a thread about breeding and unfortunately that is what is going to cause the kerfuffles..yes i agree with you that we can point out the benefits of spay/neuter,,but usually that isn't the information the person wants and usually it will get a little tense...we want them to hear us and they want to breed.

[♥Animal lover♥]

Originally Posted by Loki Love

Another forum I'm a member of has taken the stance that the forum, as a whole, advocates only responsible breeding. Why not just close down the threads that indicate otherwise? No harm, no foul - just a statement, thread is locked. This would in fact, go hand in hand with being pro spay/neuter and mainly being a pet forum, and avoiding the whole pet breeding, byb questions altogether?

The reality is, as others have pointed out, no responsible breeder is going to come to pets.ca to ask for help - no offense to any members here, but I'm pretty sure we can all agree on that.

Just my

i strongly agree. a responsible breeder would not ask for help because they should already know what they are doing

[aslan]

Originally Posted by Loki Love

The reality is, as others have pointed out, no responsible breeder is going to come to pets.ca to ask for help - no offense to any members here, but I'm pretty sure we can all agree on that.

Just my

Exactly....

[cassiek]

Originally Posted by mikischo

I agree it is probably best to close. I am happy to see that the majority of people who posted here are open to being less judgmental. It is great that more than the usual number had the opportunity to share their thoughts.

Thanks for starting this thread, Cassiek. It got to be bigger than you expected but I believe in a good way.

It's your thread and your decision, if you wish to close it.

I just think we are going around in circles alot here, and everything that needed to be said has been said IMO so I am done posting here, I have said all I wanted to.

Originally Posted by Loki Love

Another forum I'm a member of has taken the stance that the forum, as a whole, advocates only responsible breeding. Why not just close down the threads that indicate otherwise? No harm, no foul - just a statement, thread is locked. This would in fact, go hand in hand with being pro spay/neuter and mainly being a pet forum, and avoiding the whole pet breeding, byb questions altogether?

The reality is, as others have pointed out, no responsible breeder is going to come to pets.ca to ask for help - no offense to any members here, but I'm pretty sure we can all agree on that.

Just my

This is a good idea. I for one, am not against responsible, ethical breeders but like you mentioned, I don't think they are the ones that come on here looking for advice. Just my and observations. Maybe when a thread of this nature is posted, a "standard" reply can be posted back and then the thread closed?

Originally Posted by aslan

but that isn't what the OP is asking in a thread about breeding and unfortunately that is what is going to cause the kerfuffles..yes i agree with you that we can point out the benefits of spay/neuter,,but usually that isn't the information the person wants and usually it will get a little tense...we want them to hear us and they want to breed.

I think its still worthwhile after a "standard" reply to also have a link to a good site or article about spaying/neutering. Maybe the OP won't take it into consideration this time, but maybe they will consider it in the future? If that's the case, IMO, we have been very successful at 'educating' this person. And really spaying/neutering do go hand-in-hand with breeding... many breeders choose to have spay/neuter contracts for the litter, eventually end up fixing their breeding stock, some even spay/neuter the young before they go to homes...

[14+kitties]

Originally Posted by cassiek

Sorry 14+ but I don't agree with you here... I really don't think someone who is looking for information of this nature will find what they are looking for. Most of us on here have very, very limited knowledge in this area

I'm sorry cassie. Guess I didn't quite get my point out. What else is new?
What I meant is we have members here who either bred in the past or still do breed. Lately when new members come on and ask a breeding/birthing/emergency question they have been answered by these breeders/members. So they are finding answers to breeding issues on Pets.

I don't quite see what you were disagreeing with me about? Don't worry. It's happening a lot lately.

[Golden Girls]

Hazelpack: An OP has just as much right as anyone else to their opinion. But just because they have a different opinion than mine, I don't feel like my rights have been violated.

Originally Posted by marko

Dave and I did not start a spay neuter website/forum or an anti-breeding site/forum or a rescue site/forum. The goal of Pets.ca has ALWAYS been general pet information. Always.

Sounds good

[14+kitties]

Originally Posted by cassiek

Let's put this thread to rest already.

I couldn't agree more cassie.

[marko]

I would really love for admins/mods to have a standard reply that we had the option to use.

I'll try hard to make that happen this week.

My thoughts too... I've had enough of the excuses, and think it's time for people to start taking some responsibility and accountability. But obviously judging from this thread, we are a long ways from that... there will always be people who are uninformed. If we can't provide them with the information they are looking for, we can point them in the right direction.

It's sad but true, many uninformed people, still. Pointing them tactfully in the right direction imo, is the best thing we can do to try and inform them. We will fail sometimes, but in my heart i truly believe we will succeed more often than we have in the past if the tone is friendly and non-accusatory.

I'd like to thank everyone for this frank, open and civil conversation. It seems to me that there IS the collective will to change the tone around here. I won't use the 'hard week, kitty passed' excuse for much longer, I just wanted to say that the tone/civility of this thread has actually made my week slightly more tolerable.

Thanks again - this thread will now be closed at the request of the OP. If I've misunderstood the request, just PM me and I'll re-open it.

Thx - Marko

[marko]

Just wanted to confirm that we are working on that optional standard answer and it should be available this week.
Thx again - Marko

[marko]

Hi members,

Continued thanks for trying to make our forum friendlier.
In an effort to do so here is an answer that educates newer members about spay/neuter without rudeness. It is located in both the Pet health forum and the top 16 questions forum. Please feel free to use it as a form of gentle education.

http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=43483

Many thanks in advance,

Marko