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Old October 27th, 2006, 12:12 PM
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Rmb - raw meaty bones

So.. Cider's teeth are plaquey lately.. We are brushing daily.. but I'm hurting her more than I'm helping remove plaque.

I was thinking maybe something like chicken necks might help.. but where does one 'shop' for such a thing. I've been to the butcher shop in town.. they don't have anything like that.. I was only looking at getting a few for now, so I'd even do grocery store like prices.. except the few closest don't package such a thing..

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Old October 27th, 2006, 12:23 PM
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MP, you need something bigger than her mouth so she doesn't crunch, crunch, gulp. chicken necks are OK for toy and pocket dogs, i think cider is perhaps a big enough girl to handle turkey necks instead (they are more meaty and give a great scrubbing action). you need to find a butcher that specialises in poultry, calling around is your best bet. frankly *any* meaty bone will do the scrubbing trick... a pig's foot, a meaty beef rib, a big fat chicen drumstick...
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Old October 27th, 2006, 12:34 PM
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I like big beef neck bones or large ox-tail. They spend hours gnawing away at them, and theyre not too hard that they'll damage teeth.
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Old October 27th, 2006, 12:50 PM
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Do you take the skin off a pig foot before giving it TD? Last time I bought a few for Dodger it took me ages to get them skin free

I think riblets would be a good choice for Cider and I have seen those in the grocery store.

I find that chicken necks/backs do more for Dodger's teeth than marrow or knuckle bones but that is probably because he gets them more often.

The problem with chicken necks/backs is that since humans don't usually use them, most butchers want to sell them in bulk (and/or have to order them a day in advance). Prices also range - I was lucky that a friend gets 50lbs for $12 because all the other places I contacted were going to charge $30-40 for less or the same amount!!!
I don't like feeding grocery meats but a couple of times when I was in a bind I bought a couple of smallish whole chickens - Dodger HATED them. I am not sure why but the bones were much harder and clearly the meat was not as fresh. So I would stay away from whole chickens!
The only other concern I would have about giving backs to Cider is that they are very sharp and if she tries to bolt it or not chew properly it could cause problems.
You will also have to be careful about how much you give her, especially at first because she won't be used to digesting bone and will have either very hard or even whitish poops.

BTW - I just got some organic goat meat with bone...Stay away from goat bones! I find they are very sharp and sound like glass/porceline in Dodger's mouth! The meat is great and I know people who have given their dogs goat skulls but I am not comfortable with them.
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Old October 27th, 2006, 01:06 PM
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BTW - I just got some organic goat meat with bone...Stay away from goat bones! I find they are very sharp and sound like glass/porceline in Dodger's mouth!
hmmm funny, goat meaty bones are maika's favorite! i think they are rib or back or neck pieces, not quite sure... but it's alot of thick bones and she plows through them like nobody's business, you should see her shiny pearl-white teeth never any problems digesting them either. she is a thorough chewer, though.

i love getting whole chickens and quartering them, both dogs go crazy over lightly-seared bone-in chicken (i do trim off any thick, hanging skin. if it's sticking to the meat, it stays, if not, it goes). so again, it depends on the dog, the quality of the meat, personal preferences, etc.

sidenote: with a big sharp knife, it's easy to slice off any skin you don't want to feed such as on pork hocks or feet (in my experience).

but MP is not looking to feed raw, just looking for a suitable "tooth scrubber" for cider to chew on... i definitely recommend skinless turkey necks, or pork or beef ribs, or neck bones. chicken frames are too boney and will be hard to digest unless balanced with meat, so yes i would not feed those to cider as a "tooth cleaning" solution...

MP, tell us what you have available (bring pen & paper with you to the grocery store, LOL) and we can help you!
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Old October 27th, 2006, 01:22 PM
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The goat bones just make me nervous. Dodger is a lazy chewer and he won't swallow things that he has broken down. He was at it for so long I finally checked on him and he had puntured his gums in a couple of places so no more goat bones for him (although he loves the meat and its very lean )!

Pork riblets are really cheap - you can get them for under $4 for 2-4 pieces depending on the size (when I've bought them from the grocery store the average price is $2 for 3 pieces).
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I'm a tool.. I wrote a reply after Techno posted, never hit enter I guess, figured I had, and then lost it.. found out 10 minutes later I never had replied..

Think a lot of people's issues when it comes to raw like things, is acquiring, and how to not sound like an idiot when looking for them.. has me all paro..

LOL. Guess I'll check the phonebook for butcher's first, and inquire if I can find skinless turkey necks. Otherwise I'll hit a few larger grocery stores and write it down and come ask what's good or not.

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Alrighty, I was at the grocery store we usually shop at this morning and look at the meat section and picked up a package of pork riblets.

Ummm what do I 'do' with them? hahah. Like they are as long as the styrofoam container. She'd kinda small... Do I give half the riblette piece cause there's a lot per riblette...?

Also she's tooly when you give her something she actually has to chew... She carries it around and cries... Do I just block her in the kitchen with me and see what she does with it? Cause obviously cutting it up isn't going to clean her teeth.
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yay! now let's see what we can do...

first, find the right size for cider: too big to swallow and choke on, but small enough to encourage her to chomp, munch, and scrape those teeth. some dogs need encouragement so you can select the size of riblet to give, and quickly sear it in a hot pan (no butter or oil) to bring out the flavor of the meat. searing will not cook the bone, so it's ok. about 5 or 10 seconds on each side should do the trick. you can also hold the riblet and encourage cider to chew on it, make it a game of sorts.

good luck & please keep us posted!
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Looks to me like there's 4 pieces of bone in each piece of meat..
should i just give her the whole piece, for fear that 2 ribblettes could be a choking hazard?

That's a good idea about searing it fast. I had forgotten you'd mentioned that before. I almost picked up another package of chicken organs, and then was like I'm cleaning her teeth not making her diet. lol.
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If its too big for her to swallow whole, then thats a fine size. Bigger the better. That way she has to chew it to get it down to size. And don't be afraid of gulping. A quick chomp, crunch gulp is normal.
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haha if only.. I gave it to her she licked it, laid down and cried.. I seared both sides.. She licked it for about 10 minutes and gave up.. She doesn't know what to do with it. And won't touch it if I hold it for her. She loves raw meat in pieces as I cook dinner, but is unsure what to do with a chunk.
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