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I don't agree with members telling people what to give their pets either when it comes to harmful things like aspirin. I cringe when that happens. In those cases there should be a *I am not a vet. Please check with your own vet before administering any medication.* at the end of any post where we have said to try this on Muffy's toes or do this to Biffy.
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I probably wouldn't have come back either I wonder if my first post here had been "hey, so I got my new puppy from some lady in my neighbourhood whose dogs had puppies"...if my welcome would have been as warm? I said "I rescued her", which I thought I had, in my mind...I didn't even know what a byb was at the time...if folks here hadn't welcomed me warmly (as they did) but rather berated me for contributing to an unethical, inhumane industry, not to mention the pet overpopulation problem, I may not have stuck around long enough to learn everything I have since then.
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I know some people here that are not involve with rescues because they can't , but they do understand what rescuers are going through. They give great support , and many times , will also help however they can , even if it's just understanding and support. unfortunately , there always people that would need do walk in one rescuer's shoes for a couple weeks , to even begin to understand why we think the way we think. |
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For the most part I don't see what some people are referring to. I don't feel we tell all people who ask questions about their sick pup/kitty that they got from a byb or mill or pet store that they are the worse people in the world. I feel we try to educate. I suppose we do at times come across strong handed. But - go to any other forum and ask the same question and see the answers you get. I can almost guarantee they will be far worse than what we post. Pets is by far the most welcoming forum I have ever found.
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"Most people on this forum are against declawing cats, and are against banning specific dog breeds. Most people on this forum are VERY pro spay/neuter, and are against backyard breeding. Most people on this board will beg, borrow and max out their credit cards to see a veterinarian when their pets are ill.
That said, all posts are to be responded to in a polite manner. Please EDUCATE or IGNORE posters that you don't agree with. Respond with kindness or do not respond at all. Rudeness from newer or older members will not be tolerated and may result in the member being removed without warning." Going back to the posting rules and policies, in the second paragraph above it clearly states that "rudeness from newer or older members will not be tolerated ............." My experience on this board has led me to get the impression that rudeness from older members is tolerated on this board (sorry Marko, but I feel the need to say this). I have been a member here for 1 1/2 years and I have lost track of the times I have been left with a very bad taste in my mouth, to the point where I have often considered leaving this forum, after watching yet another thread disintegrate because some older members have ganged up on yet another newcomer or, in some cases, someone who is not so new. I am not saying that rude comments can never be uttered. Nobody is perfect. I am referring to the threads where a member is ganged up on, and people behave in a way that reminds me of "grade school bullies." That kind of behaviour does not command any respect, IMO. I totally agree, but why is it considered okay to gang up on and attack junior members or newcomers? Does attacking junior members or newcomers make people look any less ?
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Truly, my feeling about forums is that a lot of people come on to ask a question, get their answer (whether they like it or not) and don't come back. They got what they wanted so why stick around. Maybe I'm way off the mark. It's been known to happen once or twice. There are a lot of people out there that are simply not the "forum" kind of people.
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My point being that normally takes the thread off topic and then the thread goes and the OP is long gone.
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i've tried researching stuff with my first cat before i even knew of this site.
maybe i didnt research correctly, but i didnt get too much information that would "open my eyes" and make me think as much as when i got on here. its much different to read something on google then to come on here and get people to respond with first hand experience. i didnt know that spaying/neutering was better for the overall health of the animal. i didnt like the idea when i first heard of it, i still dont like it, because im taking something valuable away from the animal. but its the lesser of two evils to spay/neuter then to leave them breed and have many of them live a hard life. theres an ocean of information out there, but sometimes you dont exactly know where to "swim" to find the information you want. sometimes, you dont know where to look exactly. and sometimes (i know because its happened to me) you have questions that are too specific to be researched. thats why this site (in my eyes) is a goldmine.
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So let’s ask this question. If a newbie is joining should they not take the time to look through the site to see if their question has been asked/answered before? In reality if we have answered the same question 5 or 6 times in a week I think anyone is bound to get a little off kilter. Now follow my skewed thinking here. You may say “What if they need a fast answer to the question they are asking?” Then, in reality, does that not qualify as an emergency and they should be contacting their vet? Why are they on the computer asking questions on a pet forum where we can not "legally", as already pointed out, answer medical questions?
All I am saying is if I am joining a forum where I hope to stick around and meet wonderful people I would take the time to suss out the feel of the forum before joining. We talk about all the times we greet newbies with “hostility”. What about all of the times we welcome people to the forum and beg them to post pictures? How many never ever come back after posting once of twice? I bet you will find the answer a little shocking. We weren’t “mean” to them. They just didn’t bother coming back.
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But as far as searching for an answer on the site before joining? Except for that first hit off a search, the only other thing I knew how to access at that time were the day's posts. Wouldn't have gotten me very far if I'd come in with a question.
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i usually try and look if im gonna ask an already answered question.
if its not there, i ask. but if you already answered a question multiple times, your not obliged to do it another time. theres many members here, its bound to get answered. worst case scenario, you link them to a thread where it was answered. some people join and lurk, some just join and then leave for no reason, and thats fine its their choice. who cares. some people join, ask a question, and get chewed up and spit out. its best to just not write anything at all if you want to hit the OP or the newbie, or w.e. the important thing is the animals, if your mad, dont be. be good, do it for the animals' wellbeing. if your frusterated, dont be. be calm for the animals' wellbeing. i've said it before, you guys are the abasadors for the animal, wether you acknowledge it or not. with great power comes great responsiblitiy. knowledge is everything. maybe someone might take their knowledge for granted and forget the influence they have on a fellow member, and with a few subtle words cause them to leave. one thing that unites us all is the love for the animals, we all joined here for the same reason, to learn and help the animals. its the reason i even came back (again). so if someone boils your blood just dont post a reply to them.
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I've evidently always been backwards. But I doubt I'm the only one
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Nope. In fact I am beginning to get the feeling like I am the backward one.
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I think of it as someone just coming to your house the first time. Most first guests don't feel comfortable looking in each cupboard to find where you keep the coffee cups on the first visit, they are more hesitant and stay in the front room, etc. There are many reasons people don''t come back, and only one of them is less-welcoming responses from existing members. Lots of people just aren't interested in posting lots and being part of a community. Some people just don't use the internet like that. Maybe in a year, they might remember the site again when they have another question, something like that. On the place I used to run, we found we had to be certain that new members agreed to the rules before they were allowed to join. Otherwise people would get very nasty and defensive and act like it was unreasonable to expect them to actually read the rules before join. So if the pets.ca forum as a group (it seems like its just a few very vocal people right now?) wants a formal policy on whether people must be pro-spay/neuter, anti-breeder, anti-certain foods, anti-toilet training, and all the other things people object to when unsuspecting newbies post - I would suggest formalizing it in the rules people must agree to when they first join. |
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that might make things run smoother, but then theres no real freedome of speech. people come one here with different values and opinions. but they are roughly all the same. i came on here and i was against spaying/neutering.
now though, im ok with it, and will spay/neuter any animal i get.
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I think the whole part of cassiek starting this thread was to try to say that it is not always the senior members that react badly. Sometimes it's the newbie coming in with preconceived ideas. Should we react to that? No. Do we? Yes. It's human nature.
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We had a system where you had to say "I have read the rules", make an actual reply to indicate that, before membership was approved. It meant the moderators had to approve each individual new member, but it actually did cut down a lot on conflicts.
I do not know if the admin here even want a system where there are so many values ingrained in the rules, but it is possible. |
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There's a link right in my signature.
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It might be a better idea to have a more private area (are there social clubs here) rather than closing off your forum to new members who don't fit the checklist of opinion criteria. I'm betting I'm not the only one who feels unwelcome at reading how enthusiastic people on here are to close off membership and disallow those who don't agree.....
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That's what I feel like I've been reading a lot of in this thread. I hope I'm wrong.
But it feels sort of like people are saying it's fine to jump on newbies about certain issues, because well, the newbies should already know the stance of this board. So therefore, don't come here if you don't agree, we'll jump on you. People think it's great to make it so that members have to agree to be anti-all this stuff that the established most vocal members are against - before you even join? Really?? What you want then is not a forum, what you want is a private club. |
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So, being pro spay/neuter does that mean this forum, in general, is against all kinds of breeding - or only those classified as BYB? The 'rules' would suggest the latter, however discussions would indicate that all breeding is frowned upon.
To further that, are members that have purchased their pets from reputable breeders going to be frowned upon and have a cloud of shame linked to them? Just curious. |
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I believe it is time for me to bow out of this thread. I feel a strange chill.........
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I don't think so. I hope not.
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Do you think it is the prevailing sentiment on the board? I'm not so sure. Definitely the more vocal people are very strong on it.
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