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My Dracko is my first experience with owning a dog. Initially I thought that caging a dog was cruel and the idea of a pronged collar was torture.
But.....after he started suffering from separation anxiety I got a big crate and he was in it when no one was home. Never more than 3 hours and we worked up to build up the time he spent in it. In the end, I only used it for less than 3 months. After he got the message that when he is alone he is to rest, he stopped getting in to things and I have never had another problem in all these years leaving him alone. The crate is long gone. And, during his 2nd crack at obedience training it was suggested I use a pronge collar. I didn't think I could do that. I decided to give it a shot. Boy did he listen. Easily and quickly. I barely had to actually use the collar once it was on him. He knew what it meant. During that training period I was able to discontinue the use of the pronged collar and he retained the lessons he learned. It was almost like he just needed to get the message to pay attention to me. As a GS he has a lot of fur on his neck so I know the pronges weren't right on his skin. I might have been more hesitant with a different breed but I have to say that I see the value of them when used correctly. I was in a situation where a trainer was able to show me how to use it properly. I have to say, people who put those chock collars on their dogs and allow their dogs to pull still bother me. They don't know how to use them and shouldn't have them on their animal. I guess like with anything, in uneducated hands the potential for something to be harmful is there.
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Yes i got my information right on it being banned in victoria. here you can check for yourself. http://www.specialistcanines.com/blo...orian-gov.html as for my use of a prong,,my golden is well over 100lbs,,my wife is 5ft tall and doesn't have the experience with dogs that i do,,,i prefered knowing when i was working out of town both my wife and my dogs were safe. As for LMPG,,you have based your opinion on a collar by its look without doing any hands on research,,,similar to people basing their opinion on the breeds of dogs she owns by what the media portrays them to be..I AM QUITE willing to admit the government of my province is totally wrong because i have knowledge and experience on the breed..how bout you give the collar the same consideration. |
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Riley's regular collar is a martingale but I have no problem using the pinch in times of high stimulation (walking with his very hyper brother, walking in very busy street areas etc.). When I first began using one I booked a lesson with our trainer and we had a private session. I have since discovered this version of the prong which I love because there is no choke portion:
I must admit to being bothered when I see people who obviously don't have a clue using the collar (misplaced etc) and especially if I see this being used on a tied up dog. On the other hand if I am looking at a bright side ... at least this means that some dogs might be walked instead of people just giving up and never taking out their dog . I really dislike how some people seem to see a pinch collar and assume that means that the handler is a harsh handler. I use a pinch because that is the option that works best when I need extra help (have tried halti, body harness etc and they freak my dog out) but I still use very positive based training methods and continually work on training. It doesn't help me train my 110lb dog when he can physically overpower me and get whatever he wants.
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I agree with you Teri, I know a few people that use them and I have nothing but respect for them as pet owners.
LMPG - I sure hope you don't go as well.
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Thank you. Right back at you mf.
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Interesting fact found on Google..
Study of Prong Collars in Germany (Information about study taken from an Anne Marie Silverton Seminar) •100 dogs were in the study. 50 used choke and 50 used prong. •The dogs were studied for their entire lives. As dogs died, autopsies were performed. •Of the 50 which had chokes, 48 had injuries to the neck, trachea, or back. 2 of those were determined to be genetic. The other 46 were caused by trauma. •Of the 50 which had prongs, 2 had injuries in the neck area, 1 was determined to be genetic. 1 was caused by trauma LMPG
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You seem to think that what works for you , or your opinion is the only one that matters. I don't care about your aggressive dog, if using a choke is what works best for you great, more power to you, but do not judge me on my choice. If you wouldn't approach my dogs because of their collars, then you are exactly the kind of person I don't want anywhere near my dogs. I have a friend that uses big leather studded collars on his dog, and his dog is the sweetest Pit ever, every bit as amazing as "Daddy" was from Ceasar Milan. People have never said anything to me about the collars in a negative way, it's strictly "breed issue". I have had ppl ask me about the collars instead of being ignorant and judging. I have also stopped people I seen using them improperly and taught them how to use them. Like I said, obedience/professional dog trainers, handlers use them and recommend them. So I guess we are all wrong eh? Prong collars are not against the animal welfare act, if they were they wouldn't be sold legally in petstores, and used in obedience training. To suggest I would do anything illegal or hurt my dogs is nothing short of ignorant, do me a favor worry about your dogs, don't worry about mine, because mine aren't fighting and having issues with aggression. And until you come meet my pack in person, keep your judgement to yourself, thanks.
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TeriM, I have no doubt at all that the collar you pictured would be banned here. And no, Aslan, I have no need to use such collars,and they are illegal in Victoria. I do know that if I could use them, I would never consider it for a minute. Height and experience have little to do with it, you see child handlers here doing a splendid job of handling big dogs, dogs taught to heel properly.
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Goldfields, I really am generally a live and let live person who embraces a lot of different training methods but I have to say that comments like that are really not helpful. It sounds totally condescending. Lots of research exsists that shows choke collars are extremely damaging to a dog's neck structure with particular attention to the trachea area. I would have a lot more respect for your argument if you were only advocating flat collars and not a choke. A dog trained on a choke is often (not always) trained using force and collar corrections. Corrections are after all what the choke collar is designed for. That dog of course might develop into having a beautiful heeling technique that any one including a child can handle in a ring but the question is what damage or corrections were undertaken to get there? I would rather stand by my pinch collar which I know is humane (have placed on myself many times). It works because instead of a steady pull as per a regular flat collar the sensation to the dog is like leaning into an uneven, uncomfortable item which then causes the dog to self correct. I would compare it to a person sitting on a nice even cushy surface or sitting on a pointy rock. Which would you prefer? Of course the cushy surface which is essential how the pinch would feel if the dog is not putting pressure against it by pulling. I also strive to continue my training with Riley. I have done beginner, advanced obedience and serveral tracking classes. I attend a weekly outdoor class and have recently enrolled in classes to try to do rally obedience. We have a great relationship that continues to get better.
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I have also had Pits that I didn't need to use a prong on. I do not use the Prong 24/7, only during certain activities and training excercises. Again if they were illegal I wouldn't be using them. I'm happy that you don't feel you need to use one...but stop thinking that chokes are the be all end all of collars.
Like I said which you seem to ignore..I've seen a dog die from a choke collar, I have never seen a dog die from a prong. I have worked with dogs that don't need them, and plenty that do. Why do you insist on being so blatantly ignorant to what others are saying? Oh and my dogs heel perfectly as well, trust me your digs don't go unnoticed, tell me Goldfields do you also advocate for the genocide of Pitbulls? Just wondering, because many of your comments tend to lean that direction.
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Height and experience have little to do with it, you see child handlers here doing a splendid job of handling big dogs, dogs taught to heel properly.
I have to say that is really not a comparison a dog in a show ring is not a dog on a busy street or in a park etc. You are comparing a dog in a controlled enviroment to a dog in a real life situation. A lot of the dogs we are dealing with are rescues. My first mastiff weighed 200 pounds and had a huge prey drive. A choke chain would have only caused him harm and I wanted a correction not a method that could hurt him. He heeled fine but his prey drive would kick in. You try and hold back a dog that size if he tries to bolt ahead.
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It is kind of like hitting your head against a wall. Glad your here
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Thank you my friend. I received a pm that made me pause and reconsider, I was just so steamed...but I've made to many friends here to up and leave, I refuse to let this person get under my skin any longer
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I think seeing as we seem to be going around and around in circles on this thread that it might as well have a painless death and be let go. It would be the gentle thing to do. prong thread.
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Goldfields, how do you know my dogs don't heel perfectly without one? Again with the snideness and don't go off on me about rudeness, it seems to me that rude is your forte.
What would I use if prongs were illegal, well I certainly wouldn't use a choke, gold plated or otherwise, but again I wouldn't be so pompous and arrogant to tell you what to use. So it's ok for you to voice your displeasure with prongs, but not ok for anyone to voice their concern with chokes...rather hypocritical dontcha think. Sorry I don't understand the insistence that I mustn't prefer prong collars, what because your opinion differs from mine and millions of others that use prongs. Why didn't I explain why or how it died, because it was a very trumatic incident which I went thru as a teen when a stepfather decided to murder my dog. Besides, who are you that I should have to justify myself anyway. Also I've worked with dogs that come into rescue with severe neck and spine injuries from people that used choke collars, that sways my opinion greatly. You don't like prong collars, and if you had said that I would've respected your opinion but instead you make arrogant judging remarks towards me, and imply things about my dogs that aren't true. You haven't seen my pack in action, you haven't a clue how my dogs behave with or without their prongs on, so get off your high horse. Let me assure you, I am an extremely experienced handler of bully breeds. Also, Pitbull bans are based on fear mongering, if you ever decided to do some real research on the breed you would know that in most attacks that are deemed Pitbull attacks, weren't Pitbull attacks whatsoever. But the media doesn't retract wrongful blame on Pits, because its easier to sensationalize. I am a great guardian of the breed, I have worked with some of the most brutal cases you could imagine, dogs so traumatized and fearful, who are now living in wonderful forever homes being ambassadors to the breed. So once again, until you come meet my pack in person do not assume to know what my pack is capable of with or without their prongs. Your arrogance and snideness astound me.
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