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Old July 15th, 2005, 03:08 PM
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Norm for keeping breeding animals

Hi guys - sorry about the title, I couldn't think of any better way wording it!

What I am trying to ask is how breeders of dogs/cats generally keep their animals? I mean, is it "normal" for reputable breeders to cage/crate/kennel their chosen breed?? Do reputable breeders limit the amount of animals they have at one time?

I would like to think that reputable breeders keep their animals as companions - but is this really how it works??

And another question - how many animals would a reputable breeder breed at one time?

Thanks in advance for your help/comments!

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Old July 15th, 2005, 03:18 PM
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I am not a breeder, but I can tell you from expierence dealing with one, that there are normally not too many dogs on site, unless a litter is on the ground. As well it is also seen when only one of the parents are on site. Many breeders do use crates for many reasons....feeding times, keep the males and females apart during season, as well as for showing. No COE ethics breeder would ever keep their dogs in a crate 24/7. But it is also not always possible for 5 dogs to live together in perfect harmony, especially when not fixed. So they rotate their animals. My breeder has a retired breeding bitch that she had spayed, that now lives in her bed with her. But the others are playful companions. As well as breeding stock, so one must be very careful in order not to have an OOPS....
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Old July 15th, 2005, 03:37 PM
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Thanks rottielover - I guess I kinda figured/hoped that reputable breeders would do their best to have their pets as part of the family.

I have worked on and off for a breeder since my teens and I think I've lulled myself into believing that he is a reputable breeder.

I've never believed that I could do anything to change it because he doesn't seem to be breaking any laws. It's just not how I believe in keeping and treating animals.
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Old July 15th, 2005, 03:48 PM
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The only domestic pet breeding animals that may need to be kept in cage (and I mean LARGE enclosures) may be stud tomcats and that is because of the spraying.

As Rottielover said, a bitch or queen in season must be separated to keep an undesired breeding from taking place, and this is something a responsible breeder would do - not breed a bitch to any dog every time she is in heat.

Anyone who breeds so many dogs they must be kept in cages is breeding to produce pets to make money from, and that is backyard breeding or puppymilling and is not reputable or ethical.
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Old July 15th, 2005, 04:21 PM
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ALL the reputable breeders I know who have "cages" (using the term loosely in their case) use them for when the Queen (cat) is pregnant and needs an enclosure and it is a huge area that allows her and the kiittens privacy as well as comfort and lots of room to move around. It also keeps them secure tho she is in a seperate room from the tom anyway - NOT the one that she mated with.

Reputable breeders do not need cages of the usual variety except as Lucky says maybe to isolate a Tom and even then they have a large one not the kind one thinks of and we see at SPCA or vet's offices.

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http://www.castlepaws.net/purplestarsandmoons.jpg
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Old July 15th, 2005, 04:37 PM
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This is a good link that will lead you to No Puppy Mills Canada
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You can read about BYB puppymills and reputable breeders, many other great links aswell.
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Old July 15th, 2005, 04:37 PM
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My breeder has a few of these (see attached picture) for kittens, isolation and introducing a new female. His are a bit shorter and without the ramps but the ledges are carpeted.

All his males are kept in separate cages but in the same room as the females (who are free to roam around in the room).

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Old July 15th, 2005, 07:14 PM
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I know nothign about cat breeding... thedog breeders I know all have a kennel room where each of their dogs has a cage.. But they live and play with the family.

There may be imposed nap times cause things can get hectic, but they live like most people's pets do. At least in the breeders I am aquainted with.
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Old July 15th, 2005, 07:16 PM
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I have to admit if my breeder had her cats in that cage, I would NOT be a customer!
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Old July 15th, 2005, 08:56 PM
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I have two friends that are breeders, cockers and newfs

Neither use crates, but the newfs do have a large enclosed run on property because they're soooo big and make sooo much mess LOL get it wink wink

As for the cockers they roam the house puppies and all, one litter at a time mind you and chew on everything. I don't know how many computer and phone cords have been replaced at that house.
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Old July 15th, 2005, 08:59 PM
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Neither use crates
How do they keep the dogs from breeding every time the females come into heat?
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Old July 15th, 2005, 09:43 PM
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The breeder of my dog, had 5 dogs on site.
All these dogs have the run of the house, for the most part. They do have their own room, with their cages. This is where they sleep and eat. There is a big back yard that they have full run of. There is only ever one breeding bitch on site. Right now, there are no breeding bitches, not for another 2 yrs.

Then, there is a breeder near me, I will not state names or dog breed.
Her Dogs are kept in a long building behind her house. They have a kennel/run area on one side, all fenced into their own area, and they have a door where they can bo back into the building if it is cold, I'm assuming inside is blocked off for each individual dog as well. It's seven 'dog runs' in a row. Behind that building there is a large yard, whch when I was there, was used for board, I believe, as there were dogs of all breeds in the yard.

They have daily contact with the family, but are not kept in the house. I dislike this way of breeding ...HOWEVER, ALOT of their dogs show to championship. When I was visiting they had just had a littler 3 weeks previously, and were keeping 3 of the 4 as they looked as if they would be show quality.

I would prefer my own dog to come from a home raised atmosphere, as opposed to the second option there. I would consider that second scenario 'show breeding' and thats about it.
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Old July 18th, 2005, 11:42 AM
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How do they keep the dogs from breeding every time the females come into heat?
This at times depends on the breed.With my breeder,the Sires were not there.They Sires came from another Ch/Titled breeder.Her dogs were not crated.They were a part of the family even though they were show/working dogs.

As for some breeders having 2 different breeds,I really wouldn't say it was a red flag.But then again,that depends.I know of a few breeders who do have 2 different breeds that they show/title.They also belong to the club of their breed.They do not breed more then once or twice a year.Sometimes they will even skip a year.The breeders I know only breed to better the breed.Not to pump out puppies.I also know of some breeders who don't even breed.

Also,a very good reputable breeder knows exactly when their Dam is about to come in heat.
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