Raw and cancer, new kid

[tiOurs]

Hi,
I'm new, I'm visiting from the Dog Cancer forum which I've had the misfortune of posting to for moral support frequently since my little italian greyhound mix was diagnosed with hemangiosarcoma. The good news is she (a 20 pound dog) had a 2 pound spleen removed with no other organ involvement and she's doing fabulously 5 weeks post surgery. Since surgery she's on a completely raw diet. I'm just going with my instinct.. she's getting Variety brand raw medallions and raw chicken with bones, beef (with bones) and eggs. If I can find anything else I'll give her that and I"m hunting a source of green tripe since I'm hearing so much about it. I'm not being very scientific about the feeding, however she really looks fabulous. My reason for coming here, besides learning more about feeding raw is to try and see if those of you who feed raw are experiencing less cancer than those who feed cooked, commercial, kibble, etc. Most folks on the Dog Cancer forum are just learning about healthier diets but few, if any, I might be the only one.. are feeding raw. In fact I got into a discussion with a vet on the forum whose claim is that feeding raw is very dangerous due to pathogens picked up at slaughter houses. So I'm interested in what anyone has to say regarding raw diet and cancer frequency.

[growler~GateKeeper]

There is a thread here with some info about Green Tripe http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=49114

Have a look through the raw forum you'll find lots of info

To change your screen name, since you can't pm yet, you can email Marko our admin - info@pets.ca

Good luck w/your little girl we would love to see pics which you can add after posting a bit.

[tiOurs]

hi it's me again.. I reregistered with a new username, my girl's name. I'd love to post pictures of her but I have very few because she's afraid of cameras!!! silly greyhound! I probably have one of her running away from the camera.. she's beautiful.

I guess I'll read these raw posts for a while to see if cancer topics come up.. so far I've seen a few other health issues but no cancer. On the dog cancer forum they say the cancer rate in dogs is fifty percent once they reach the age of 2. It's ridiculous. I think it's because so many people feed commercial food. I don't think the rate is fifty percent here on this raw diet thread. That's very interesting.

[JulesMichy]

Originally Posted by tiOurs

I guess I'll read these raw posts for a while to see if cancer topics come up.. so far I've seen a few other health issues but no cancer. On the dog cancer forum they say the cancer rate in dogs is fifty percent once they reach the age of 2. It's ridiculous. I think it's because so many people feed commercial food.

I do know that Science Diet and their prescription brands like c/d, etc. still use carcinogenic preservatives like BHA and ethoxyquin. In fact, I work with dogs and one of ours, Demeter, has "food allergies" (we all know what that usually means) and is fed z/d. I checked the side of the bag yesterday, and sure enough, BHA and ethoxyquin were listed among the ingredients.

[want4rain]

we decided to go organic or all natural (ie only natural preservatives like citric acid and rosemary and such) 3 years ago. no fast foods, i make what i can from home (spaghetti sauce, mac&cheese, pies, soft granola bars, etc) or buy it local.... there is a lady who makes pasta and its soooooo good!!! fresh or dried, super yummy. she has some funky looking pastas she makes that are just out of this world. im raaaaaambling.... im one of those ladies who will spend time reading lables, if i dont knwo what it is i will write it down and take it home and look it up!! buying fresh local produce is also quite rewarding. as is growing your own (and its cheaper that way too!). thankfully im a stay at home mom so that gives me the chance to really explore our different options.

i asked around a few of the doctors in the area and they all (5 or 6 of them) eat organic or all natural or local. figured it might be a good idea.

-ash

[pitgrrl]

So I found this, it's just a small quote, but is more along the lines of things I've read or heard:

William Pollak D.V.M. -

"Processed foods and drugs have seriously depleted the natural vitality and immune systems of many pets. Whereas large amounts of red meat can cause cancer in humans, a lack of RAW red meat in an animal's diet can lead to serious health problems. Animals require the enzymes, amino acids and other nutrients in the raw meat in order to stay healthy.

http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/animals.htm

[OxyMK]

Welcome tiOurs! This forum is the absolute best! so much info and knowledge here! Also, welcome to the world of raw!

I've been feeding my two dogs raw food since August 07 and it was the best switch I've ever made. I also thought I was well researched, but I seemed to have learned to much more forum. I already posted this story on different thread, but I switched to a raw diet becuase my dog was diagnosed with Hip Dysplasia and I was searching for anything that will make her healthy, not only in weight, but her overall well being. That’s how I came across raw diet. It made sense to me, so I tried it. I know a raw diet cant help cure something like HD, but after a little over a week of feeding her raw, she was no longer nipping at her hips. Before she would nip at them all day long, especially when we would walk her. Also, I don’t know if it was the diet, the vitamins I started giving her or a combination of all, but she is so much healthier. Her coat is shinier, she doesn’t have as much of a hard time getting up from a seated position, her body is toned, she has great energy and so much more. To me, putting her on a raw diet is worth it when we look at her and how much she has changed just from last August.

[rainbow]

Welcome to pets.ca and sorry to her about your little girl.

I think more and more people are slowly starting to realize that raw is best to feed for dogs with cancer. If not raw then definitely a grain free kibble.

You can buy canned green tripe at most pet stores that carry the premium/holistic dog foods. Trippett and Solid Gold are well known brands.

[tiOurs]

how does the canned compared nutritionally to the fresh or frozen? Do they actually leave the grass in the tripe?

[tiOurs]

OK here she is slinking away when I tried to get a picture of her in her little cheerleading sweater!

[tiOurs]

good morning!

It's cold here in north florida! there's frost on the pumpkin-- echhh!!

I put a diet/cancer poll over on the pet recipe thread. I'd sure appreciate if ya'll would wander over there and click on the appropriate button.. I realize we've got mostly raw feeders here.. hopefully some non-raw folks will answer the poll too.

[want4rain]

right, Wiki said some little blurb about COOKED red meat being the problem, which obviously wouldnt impact a raw fed dogs diet. (i love this little face and never get a chance to use it!!!)

-ashley

[MerlinsHope]

those of you who feed raw are experiencing less cancer than those who feed cooked, commercial, kibble, etc

How tragic to hear of your little girl, but at the same time, however wonderful that to date you've been able to treat her and keep her with you. That's already such a tremendous achievement.

It's more than difficult to speculate whether or not raw feeding helps cancer in any way no more so, than proper nutrition in a human would. Raw feeding does not promise to extend the life of dogs, if anyone tells you that, they are gravely mistaken. Raw feeding represents a healthy way of living the way Mother Nature intended.

Unfortunately there are too many mitigating factors which can govern the outcome of cancer in any dog, most of them genetic or environmental, which includes / over vaccination policies and the extensive use of absorable flear/tick type pesticides.

Certainly feeding raw leads to wellness all across the board, but outside of mastcell cancer which is highly genetic, I think that most experts will agree that cancer in dogs is more likely an environment issue, more so than anything else right now. It's really sad to see.

At least by feeding her raw you certainly reduce the overall stress on her body and certainly help eliminate any ingested contagens or contaminants for additives in commercial kibble which could harm her, although commercial raw may also contain unwanted additives so you may want to check what's in your package of meat.

Are you on any type of protocol for her cancer?
There are a great many things you can do, even holistically if you like which can certainly help boost her immune system.

Best
Merlin

[MerlinsHope]

those of you who feed raw are experiencing less cancer than those who feed cooked, commercial, kibble, etc

Unless you eat certified organic meats, Red meats usually always contain high amounts of antibiotics, pesticides, and steroids. It is those products contained in the meats that contribute to cancer and other illnesses.

You may find this site interesting (for a variety of reasons)
http://www.meat.org/