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Old September 13th, 2009, 06:03 PM
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Barkbusters

Anyone have experience with them? Anything, good or bad.
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Old September 13th, 2009, 06:49 PM
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Depends on what you want. I know a few people that have had them into their home and they were great and very happy with the results, while others found that long term BarkBusters was not any help, especially for some learned behaviors.
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Old September 13th, 2009, 07:30 PM
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Thanks for the quick response. I need some help with my dog's worsening leash aggression problems. I like the fact that they come help at home since my dog gets motion sickness on any car ride longer than 15 minutes and I can't find a trainer that close by.
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Old September 13th, 2009, 09:23 PM
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What breed of dog do you have? Definitely give BarkBusters a call if they're the closest trainers near you.
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Old September 14th, 2009, 08:25 AM
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Would you be able to guess if the dogs are aggressive through fear (timid) or dominance? How old are they?
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Old September 14th, 2009, 08:37 AM
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Barkbusters is an overpriced franchise. Throwing bags of chains at your dog and using the word bah to correct is in their seemingly endless repertoire. They guarantee their work for the life of the dog, but I've found through people who have used them if they can't correct the issue they apparently also won't refund you.

I'm sure there are some satisfied people out there, but it's a lot cheaper to choose a decent trainer, and you are set up for better success that way.
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Old September 14th, 2009, 09:25 AM
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Thanks for the quick response. I need some help with my dog's worsening leash aggression problems.
Is the dog not aggressive when off-leash?
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Old November 23rd, 2009, 09:56 PM
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I had a bark buster trainer work with my two bullies. Instant difference! I have had dogs my whole life and have always used "traditional" methods of training. Sometimes it worked, most of the time it didn't. After one of our dogs was "invited" to stop attending obedience school, we opted for bark busters. After the first session, we were convinced. They don't throw bags of chains at your dog to hit them. You toss the bag nearby just to break the pattern and get their attention ONLY if the voice command doesn't work.
I found our trainer to be quite insightful on behaviour issues and solutions.
I'm sure some people have not had the same experience we did, but I recommend them to anyone who asks me. As for the price, it's no more expensive than a couple of 6 week courses at a pet store where they learn to sit for a treat. I've been to those classes as well and have found them to be little more than glorified play dates for people to showcase their new puppies.
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A friend wanted to look into opening a Barkbuster. They charge alot of money for a franchise and they give you 3 day training but only really 1 day of actual dog training. I would want someone with more experience to train my dog. Our neighbour used BB and they ended up giving him back his money, as they couldn't help his GSD. She was a dominant dog in the beginning but by the end of the BB training she turned into a very aggressive dog. I even knew more than the BB trainer who came out. And I am not a dog trainer but have taken several classes for my dogs.

Doing the wrong things (even just little things) can have a huge effect on the dog and make them turn for the worst. I would invest my money with a trainer that has many years of experience in dog training. As far as I can tell BB is only out for a fast buck
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Old February 22nd, 2010, 02:37 AM
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She was a dominant dog in the beginning but by the end of the BB training she turned into a very aggressive dog. I even knew more than the BB trainer who came out.
I have Bark Busters. My experience is good. Yes I did pay more but it is for life and they allowed spread out payments with no interest.

You say you knew more than the BB trainer. I think it really matters which BB trainer you get. I think that could apply even to private or smaller trainers.

I bet if the guy did something wrong it was his fault. He might have tried to dominate the dog himself on the first or second visit. Whereas he should have assisted the owner to take dominance. It also makes a difference how quickly you change over to the new system. You have to introduce it to them but not go overboard.

And it was mentioned above, yeah we throw the pouches at our feet, not at the dog. I rarely throw mine anymore. Standing tall is level 1 and it works most of the time. I bah daily but seldom throw the pouches.

The system is pretty much designed to show the dog the difference between doing something ok and doing something not ok. If you follow the rules, your dog isn't confused by your actions or tone.

Although the first thing he talked about was the food and how it is 75% of the problem. You can lose "points" just by feeding the dog crap, and the dog not "respecting" you just because it isn't getting enough protein and too much crap.

I noticed a big difference with just the new food.

I don't believe it is the only way but I do think it is a great way and it helps keep your pet happy and lower ranked.
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You definitly want to find a trainer that uses positive reinforcement for an agressive dog. The methods that BarkBusters uses can reinforce agression and cause an agressive dog to start masking warning signs. I have personally had 2 foster dogs thanks to their methods and when I read the report the family was given I was enraged. What they couldn't seem to accomplish with the surrendering families was definitly workable and was helped with positive reinforcement. Too bad by then the families had had enough.
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Old February 23rd, 2010, 02:22 AM
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I think before you can use the bark buster methods you need to be established as pack leader. My dog is so not aggressive so I don't have that experience. But the theories I learned from our trainer are for any dog. Tailored of course.

Aggression takes time to settle in right? therefore it takes time to undo. I like Bark Busters because you don't have any physical contact with the dog at all. I think that is important because contact in the wrong way can trigger aggression or teach aggression.

I'm picturing a situation in your house where your dog is growling or barking at a visitor. A positive reinforcement method would be what to get the dog to stop? Offer a treat? That would enforce what the dog is doing. In a bark buster senario, I would stand between the visitor and the dog and stand tall. I would use the bah or the link pouches to get the dog's attention on me (the master) so he would see me not approving of his actions. Then you keep standing tall until the dog sits down and puts his head down, licks his lips. As soon as that happens you can ignore the dog or call it over to meet the stranger (if possible, baby steps right?)

But none of the bark buster methods will work if you do not have a dominant position over the dog. Therefore, don't introduce a visitor if you are not in that position.

what do you think? I am open to learning new techniques. If you could walk me through what you would do.

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