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Oh wow, i am so sorry this has happend to yot. I cannot imagine how violated you must have felt to see them at your window like that.
I do however that they are allowed to enter your yard when investigating to gather evidence. Like if you complained about a neglected dog in a yard, they would enter to check, nothing can be damaged. They cannot enter your house without permission unless there is a warrent. The taking pics, is scary, and i dont know if moving the tarp and taking pics of inside is o.k. Call a lawyer and get a free consultation and ask. I think the best thing to do is contact the media. Here you are SAVING animals, helping the very people you feel violated by. Kind enough to open your home to a couple babies in need for a few days. Are any of the dogs under 6 months? Usually pups dont count toward your total. Municipalities need to start some kind of fostering permit. Where with a letter from a rescue group you could get a free permit that allows you 3 extra pets that can each stay 6 months. Wow, i am just so sorry for you, and angry! Here they dont push if its a foster, and ignore it, unless their is a complaint. Do you have any terrible neighbor complaining and making a stink to them that is making them push it this far? Keep us updated. I wish you all the luck in the world.
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Helen, I was wondering if your patio door is the only place they can see into your house? I'm thinking that there is liquid stuff u can put on glass that will cover all the glass in a frosted pattern so no one could see thru it. It still let's light in thought. My parents used it on the bathroom window so no one could see in it. You could put masking tape around an area u want to use as a peep hole to see outside as the frost stuff wouldn't cover that part when the tape was on it. Then u could just cover the hole when you weren't using it or not home. You just use a scrapper to get the frost stuff off when u don't need it anymore. Just a thought.
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I am kind of lucky. My bylaw officer is also the guy that calls me to pull dogs. He knows how many I have and has told me to licence the rest for out of town. If I ever get fined, I will go to jail....I need the time off ( no holidays for 8 years) and free dental..lol
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Well I did get our local media involved.. they did an article in our paper.. scroll down its page 4 I think..
http://www.yourlocaljournal.ca/pdf/issue.pdf and I have been in touch with Janet at KiKo.. we are going to try something together as well.. Thank You for all the kind words and encouragement .. it means allot..
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Good for you Helen !
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Very good article HelenNutmeg. Took most of page five.
This paragraph is interesting...... “Our inspectors ring and knock but if there is no answer they are still allowed to go onto the property,” said Martel. “They can take pictures of the property, even the inside of the building. Whatever somebody else can actually see, the inspectors are allowed to take pictures of.” Did they knock? Of course they will say they did. Also, the part about "whatever somebody else can actually see"; the only way they "saw" was to move aside your temp covering. That should not have been allowed. TQ's suggestion of a frosted covering is a good one. There is a MacTac covering you can buy to cover windows. They can snap all the pics they want but all they will see is shadows. You could say the shadows were cats or furniture. Talk about having your rights violated! You should have the right of privacy in your own home. Disgusting!
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Good for you! I sure hope this article helps you
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I took a picture of a very pretty black dog with bright blue eyes with the owners consent and got in SOOO much crap from my supervisor, she called the customer to see if my story had matched up. the only things we are allowed to photograph on peoples property is meters, lines, poles ect. Things related to the company. I would be so freaked out having people just walk on my property like that and snapping pics. Could you put a lock on the gate to keep them out?
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Excellent work Helen. Now call the CBC!
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Excellent article that shows you are being victimized by your municipality and that won't stand well with the homeowners who pay taxes. I would make reference to money being wasted by the people in charge who are harrassing a credible charity organization that benefits the township by taking animals from shelters and a adopts them out to loving families.
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I didn't say they could take pictures. I said they can come on the property. We had problem with neighbors throwing garbage into our backyard and when we contacted the police and by law officer we were told it was our word against their's so we put up cameras in our windows and caught them. Once the neighbors knew they were caught they had their lawyer send a letter stating that we had to remove our cameras because it showed part of their yard. We refused so they took us to court and the judge said there is no law saying we cannot take pictures of other peoples property but we cannot have our cameras viewing in peoples windows, which we didn't, it only showed the area where they would stand to throw the garbage. So our cameras are still up but not turned on. We also had the by law officer called on us because the neighbor said our shed was built illegally. An officer showed up with pictures on his camera and I asked how he got the pictures because we have locks on our gates and he said he used a ladder and took them from the neighbors yard. The law states that our shed has to be 4 ft from any property line and ours is 3 ft 6 in. which we fought and won. That's when we were told by a judge that they are allowed to take pictures but are not allowed to take pictures inside a building because that falls under the privacy issue.
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I wonder IF....
HelenNutmeg.......what about contacting Fifth Estate......I wonder if they would be interested in this type of story......Municipality harassing small animal rescue instead of going after the backyard breeders, throw away and abusive people ???? Worth a call maybe......we had to watch Earl Jones maybe an animal story might wake up a more people about the work you do and your cause...!!!
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Where I live, it's my understanding that people who have rescue animals are exempt for those laws. Do they know you have rescues?
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For adopting out lost pets...the law states that every animal, that comes through shelter doors, has to be held as a stray for x amount of days. Once the stray hold is up, the animal becomes legially the shelters and can be put up for adoption. So shelters do not sell other peoples pets. CHICO: We can not allowed walk into someones backyard. However in the picture, I believe the guy is standing on public property. If so, he is not traspassing. For instance...I could stand at the end of someones driveway and take a picture of your dog in your yard. I am still on public property and the dog is in plain view. ACO22 |
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ACO22 the pictures that Helen posted were from her back window, so he is on her property opening the gate, he then enters her backyard walks up onto her deck, pulls a tarp back and takes pictures through her back door window.. I was sooooo waiting for you to post to confirm they're not allowed on private property.
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Oops sorry..didn't see the other pictures. I just scrolled to the first one.
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helen contact c t v news, it was a great piece in the paper, brenda and the pins
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we should all write letters to the editor, because you know the inspectors will be following it up to see if anyone is on their side
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Helen, can I ask why you didn't confront them? I am assuming the pics you took of them are from the backyard?
Legally they did not have the right to take pics and snoop around. As for the Police needing a warrent, not always. There are situations where one is not needed. And as for cruelty calls, again in certain situations pics can be taken. But this is with the cruelty investigators. They have the same authority as cops in laying charges. But that's a bit off topic. I agree with the no trespassing sign. But I also suggest the beware of dog signs. Some people have misconceptions as to what this sign means. It actually is a warning stating that a dog lives there. I have one. My niece and her fiance(criminal lawyer) also have one as do all my family and friends as I have told them to put one up. This actually stops some fool from breaking in. Unless they want to get bitten. Or if they do get bitten, it lessens the chance of them wanting to charge you. I know a judge who actually threw out the case where someone was bitten. His reply was, did you not read the signs. . Yes this from a Judge.
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hey MonaB , I have a question for you , I"ll pm you.
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i'll answer it as best I can.
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Sophie Adoptions aka Lil'RickyMom another Montreal rescuer had a really hard time a few years ago with her animal control officer and kept getting ticket and ticket. I think she fought them in court, not sure the outcome
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I don't see these signs many places, but you could always make your own, some say 'DOG IN YARD'. That's it. It just states the fact that there is a dog in the yard. No implication of danger. I would try that one over Beware of Dog. I sure hope you can get more publicity on this, it really is over the top the way they took the pics. I do believe you have proof they moved the tarp to take the pics. The fellow in the news article states they can take pictures of something everybody can see - well you can't see through your tarps without moving them. Good luck to you.
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Hi
I know I have seen signs saying "Dog on Premises", I don't know if that would be the same as Dog in Yard. But I would think it would be.
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Again, the signs are WARNING people that there is a dog on the property. It's up to the person who wants to chance it. If a JUDGE will throw it out of court, what does that tell you? And you can tell them that this came from someone who has been in Law for 20+ years.
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