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kimC1, is there anything about the way you contain the dog that could be changed to limit his access to any other cats? Is he allowed to roam around on your property unsupervised? Can you check your yard for cats each and everytime he goes out? If your yard isn't fenced, can you take him out on a long line?
I'm not at all trying to criticize, I too have two dogs with crazy prey drive and it takes alot to keep them and other animals out of trouble. I would be horrified if they ever got ahold of another animal, but that would be my failing, not the fault of the dogs. Quote:
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Did the attacks on the cats all occur outside?
Some dogs are fine with a cat that is indoors but outdoors if they see a cat run it simply becomes prey in their eyes like any other small animal outside. Also do the JRT's play chase after the cat, if he is seeing that occur that can cause pack instinct to kick in. I have greyhounds with a fairly high prey instinct between them and my eskie they have caught and killed birds and rabbits, my cats are kept strictly indoors and there is no chasing of the cats allowed for any reason, if they do they are corrected with a spray of water from a squirt bottle. Walking up to sniffing is fine This is not to say this would work for all dogs, any dog that you can break their focus on a cat or drool and stares just at the sight of a cat is going to be non cat trainable |
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My dog has killed 3 cats.
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Ummm I had a standard poodle that hated small animals and if given a chance would not hesitate to kill them. It is not necessarily the breed of dog although some breeds are more prone to this behavior but the dog itself. I have two golden retreivers, one has an extremely high prey drive while the other has none at all. I think it is very unfortunte that your dog is like this but I think you will either have to re-home him or get rid of your cats. They obviously cannot live safely in your home or in your yard while the dog is around. |
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Isn't the point of the forum to share one's opinion in order to try and help one another whether we agree or not. Is it appropriate to make comment on others opinions in such a close-minded way, as if to single them out????? This was neither warranted nor appreciated!!!! If you wish to challenge someone's thoughts do so in a PM or a more tactful fashion, thanks.
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how would being muzzled in public have prevented this....these where family pets killed on there own home turf. As far as responsible pit bull ownership...i think you really mean't to say dog ownership right?.....cause any dog can kill not just pits..i see why your not in favour of breed bans cause your breed could be next,just wait till pits are not the poster child of evil and they try to ban goldens......and as far as reading too many stories about pits attacking animals in public....well we all know that a yorkie that attacks a pit is not to attractive as a headline.......i also think we are not being told the whole story here....someone forgot to tell the original poster that pits don't make good guard dogs...they are people orientated......and if this person gave the dog away once then this dog must not be high up in the family.
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Well, kimC1, He is a handsome boy, and I know what you mean with living in the country and the SPCA not taking the 'stray' cats... they seem to believe that they are your cats and kittens that are breeding out of control and you are trying to "dump" them off, I understand that this must happen alot, however, they do not give the benefit of the doubt.
you are definately in a real tough spot with this situation. Im sorry that you are going through this and I admire that you are standing by your dog... I truely hope you can find a solution soon. Best of luck. Sorry I have no thoughts or tips for you.
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Were they killed inside or outside the home?Inside, keeping them separate,and a muzzle would work,outside,a leash would work.And get some help with training etc Where do you live?Do you have BSL?
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That is exactly why pitbulls are banned here in my city in Ontario . no offense by all means, but if any of these were MY cats...I would be insisting your dog be put down. I do not agree on having a pit bull, nor do I agree on ever had bred them in the first place. WHO in the world breeds an animal to kill and then try to keep them as a pet!? Sorry (this is likely the only issue I feel so passionatly about) NEVER EVER get another cat! And watch out for the cat lovers in your neighbourhoood, cuz if your dog hurts their cat, you may be in for a big problem (at least if they are anything like me!!)
PS I hope your dog doesnt have a love for the taste of blood now...watch your kids...your neighbours kids...the kids at the park. spudster Last edited by spud; November 7th, 2006 at 07:58 AM. |
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If you have a cat and need to rehome your cat send it to me, ill find it a nice home.
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Most dogs will display some degree of prey drive in the right circumstances, ofcourse some more than others, but that is not a breed specific trait. Further, prey drive and human aggression are entirerly different behaviors, and your suggestion that going after a cat is a prelude to attacking a child shows nothing but a lack of understanding of even the most basic of canine behavior. Frankly, if you're only worried about whether your neighbours have pitbulls or not, you're not keeping your cats or other animals safe. Clearly there was some serious errors in management on the part of the OP, and hopefully they have learned from their mistakes and will take better precautions in the future, but it has nothing to do with breed. Perhaps your time would be better spent worrying about responsible and knowledgable pet ownership, then pitbulls. I'm curious, why do only pitbulls bother you? Other breeds have fighting histories, and like pitbulls they also have many other qualities which make them wonderful pets for a responsible owner. To single out one breed entirerly misses the point and does little to actually reduce any harm inflicted by dogs, that is something only braoder education and better all breed laws would be able to fix. |
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I truly mean no disrespect. I see that you admire your pitties; as much as I admire my kitties.
I just cant imagine actually trying to introduce ANOTHER cat to a dog that already killed one. I agree I should not single out one breed, I was just commenting that the particular breed we are discussing here is banned in my home town. Please also note that this is as a result of too many attacks on children and inocent people and family pets causing permanent disfigurement and emotional scarring as well as a few deaths...all of this ended up causing this bi law. I have been bitten by a dog, my husband was bit, and my daughter was bit in the face ( I guess dogs just dont like us..) so I am a lot cautious when I hear of such violent behaviour displayed by your dog. good luck. |
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What would you say to the victims of dog bites inflicted by other breeds? Is their suffering not as important because it did not involve a pitbull? How would you explain to the thousands of responsible, vigilant owners, who's dogs have never so much as hurt a fly, that are now required to muzzle their dogs? How do I explain to my family that I can no longer go visit them on holidays because my dogs, who have never posed a threat to anyone, can't legally enter the province they live in? Perhaps most importantly, what would you say to the dogs who are taken away from their owners or euthanized not because of a history of aggressive behavior, but simply because of their breed? I would suggest you do a bit of reading on the subject of both bill 132 and the breeds which fall under the umbrella of "pitbull". http://www.ontla.on.ca/hansard/commi...embly/M009.htm http://www.bdnhumanesociety.com/calgary_solution.htm http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/ http://www.pbrc.net/breedinfo.html http://www.doglegislationcouncilcanada.org/ http://www.understand-a-bull.com/ |
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Great info you posted.
no, not by pitbulls - we were all bit by different kinds breed and ages of dogs. I'm just saying dogs don't like me, or my family apparently...I have read the stories in the newspapers and seen pictures on the news about boys and girls attacked by pitbulls and it is devistating to see such damage! so , for me, when I see bills passed that are for my safety and other innocent members of society then I guess I support it. I would not want to see some great dog owner who has a great harmless dog have to put it down just because of its breed, but I would like to see them stopped being bred all together. Dog lovers can choose from many many other less contraversial dog breeds. I believe any animal that has the potential to kill a person should not be bred and kept as pets. There are plenty of dogs that bite out there, big ones little ones, and any animal that does bite another animal or person should be put down. So in order to save a super dog from a potentially dangerous situation muzzle him so he cannot bite some kid whos pulling on his tail or some kid that bends down innocently just to pet him, but looks in his eyes and the dog takes that as aggression and bites. I have to agree on the muzzle thing, It s the only thing that makes me feel safe when passing a dog i dont know on the street or in the park. |
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Hmm... ALL cats attack me. Maybe I should look into a tabbyban.
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Just a couple of weeks ago a cat jumped out of the bushes and attached himself to my dog's head, so I would absolutely support your tabby ban Prin
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LOL! ha ha ha! actually sorry you were attacked, I do hear of the occasional crazy cat...and I am quite certain that lots of them get put down every day. I had a cat who attacked me when we had our first baby (he settled down once he realized the baby was staying though) someone said there is a different value for cats and dogs..I thinks its true about the importance chain...so are guinea pigs and then rats at the bottom of the importance list?
Our town was trying to bann cats actually. They wanted them to remain indoors only or on a leash...it didnt pass, but im sure some individuals will push it again...all these people and all these preferences eh...when will we all learn to liive together? Violence in our teens, in our dogs...in our schools where does it stop ? |
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Awww Prin, are you sure they are "attacking" you?, cat's LOVE to play, maybe your just reading them wrong Tabbyban!!! no way, kitties are SO sweet!!
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But that isn't banning cats, that is just making the owners become more responsible for their pets. A ban would involve no one being allowed to own the cat. That is a different thing altogether. Right now, dogs are basically kept indoors or on a leash all the time, but even with that, comes the people wanting a breed banned (not contained in a house or on leash) actually banned. |
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My dog has killed 3 cats
Sorry, should have been clearer. I was just reiterating what you said that it is not necessarily just pits but that all breeds can be dangerous to small animals. Mine happened to be a poodle which is not generally thought to be vicious but she was.
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You are right though, any dog can kill a cat, breed means nothing!
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lol no, I know they attack. Just by the way the owners are shocked when it happens, I know. Even the nicest kitties attack me. One even pierced a vein in my arm and two tendons. But they're still cute. I'd rather ban puppymills and bybs instead. When does the violence end? When people realize you don't have to be crazy to go to a shrink... And when (some) parents step up and PARENT- furparents AND skinparents alike. Edit: Now that I think about it... Tigers and Lions and Bears and things attack all the time too, but for some reason we (most of us anyway) accept that they are animals, with instincts and biiiiig teeth and stay far away. |
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lol I have no fear. I have expectations. I think I have dog smell running through my veins or something. I definitely set something off in kitties.
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I'm all for dogs who are deemed dangerous, by a fair and qualified body which is not biased against certain breeds being dealt with appropriately, as am I in favour irresponsible owners who actually do put the community at risk being hed accountable, but none of that has to do with breed. When you say "potential to kill a person" what do you mean? Size?....we'd have to ban pretty much ever dog. Did you read the testimony given in Ontario to which I posted a link above? Did you read what Donna Trempe had to say about the dog attack on her daughter? A pitbull ban would not have prevented that. Quote:
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you can't keep any dog muzzled 24hrs a day or chained in the yard.....
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I agree,and wouldnt suggest that.
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I don't think pit bulls in general have much of a prey drive . . . They're dog-aggressive, which is different. Some breeds that are known for high prey drive are sighthounds (bred to run down prey), terriers (bred to independantly hunt vermin), and nordic breeds (I'm not sure if they were specifically bred to hunt, they're mostly used for sledding these days. But it would make sense if the Inuits originally used them for hunting too.) And also hounds, I'm thinking? Not sure about that one.
Anyway, lots of breeds have a tendency to chase smaller animals. But plenty of individuals from those breeds can be taught to live peacefully with cats . . . or may not even have any interest in them to begin with! Likewise, individuals from breeds who are traditionally peaceful with other animals (like labradors) can have a very high prey drive and be dangerous towards smaller animals. The breed I've heard the most horror stories with (in the vein of "the dog and cat lived peacefully together for years and then I came home to a dead cat") is daschunds. Perhaps because cats are approximately the same size as the badgers they were bred to hunt? I don't know, just a theory. |
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SPUD
funny how in one breath you agree that pits be banned and pits should not be kept as family members as they are killers....then in the next breath you tell us all your family members have been attacked by different breeds of different ages and not a pittie in the bunch ....thats why bsl does NOT work.
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