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Well, almost 1 month since my first email to Champion Pet Foods and 9 days since my second email. I haven't received a reply yet .
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First, the calculations in my first post here are completely wrong! I don't know how I came to those figures but the protein content in the raw I feed is higher in comparison to the Orijen I was feeding.
I did finally get a response from Orijen a few days ago so I'm able to better compare the vitamins, minerals, and protein levels. The protein and amino acids provided by raw can be much higher (sometimes double and even triple with raw turkey providing the largest differences). I still haven't figured out exactly why Penny does better on raw (especially turkey and other poultry) than she does on Orijen . I'm hoping to consult with a canine nutritionist in the upcoming week so, maybe she'll be able to provide some more insight .
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Glad you finally got a reply from Orijen.
I would think that the reason Penny does better on raw chicken versus the chicken in kibble is due to the processing as cooking changes the structure of the protein. |
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I agree, the processing must do something. One thing rarely considered I've found is what the processing equipment used is made of. A lot of info out there about not using non stick and aluminum pots and pans for humans, but I never see anything about what human or animal processed food equipment is made of. Just another thing to worry about with processed foods.
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On the other hand too much real meat, simply makes your dog overweight. You cannot compare raw meat to kibble on any day of the week. It's like comparing apples and oranges. One is a natural food with natural nutritional content, the other a synthesized food with processed protein and supplement with synthetique minerals and vitamins ( in most cases). One is fully digestible, one isn't. The two are not the same and cannot really be compared this way.
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I was hoping that in comparing the nutritional analysis, specifically Orijen to various meat, it would help explain why Penny would become more reactive (behaviorally speaking) on the Orijen. We've since discovered similar changes in behavior when she eats raw beef.
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Yes Rainbow.
Not sure if this is relative but, we did finally get her second round of tests results back which suggest cholestasis.
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I'm not familiar with that .....does that have something to do with her liver?
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Yes, it does. It's a rather vague term to me though . All I know is "liver cell-specific injury" and we don't know the cause. We've changed up her diet somewhat and have added SAMe and milk thistle supplements. We re-test in 4-6 to see if there are any changes. If it's worse, then we have other tests run.
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I agree that protein doesn't make a dog aggressive. However, Penny already has aggressive tendencies regardless of the food fed and, feeding a high protein grain-free diet seems to make her worse. We've noticed a correlation between her level of reactivity to raw beef as well. It's happened too many times for it to just be a coincidence in her case . Maybe she's intolerant to beef and it makes her feel unwell? I have no idea but one thing we're certain about is we can't feed it to her and we can't feed her a high protein kibble either. I'm just trying to figure out exactly what is it about certain foods, including certain raw meat, that makes her more reactive.
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I/m telling you that the problem you are having is from sugar - not from the type of protein. there is probably more sugar in the beef flavoured food
You might consider testing this dog for diabetes. Diabetes would account easily for mood swings as well and as we know it's very influenced by sugar.
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I don't know why you're insisting I feed her a beef flavored food . I'm talking about fresh raw beef...a meal of muscle meat with veal liver, heart, kidney, and green tripe.
Her blood has been tested 3x over the last 9 months, no diabetes. Only last test results show something going on with her liver.
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A dog's liver will take protein and convert it into glycogen. If for some reason, her liver has some "issue" with beef protein, by not converting or "over converting" (if that is even possible ), then it could affect her blood sugar and moods.
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Sorry to hear about the liver. Does your beef tend to be fattier than other other meats you serve by any chance?
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I just want to re-iterate, I don't believe at all that the food we feed is causing Penny's reactivity (this has always been an issue with her from day 1) but I do have a strong suspicion that certain foods increase the intensity of it. Thank you for trying to help me figure this out. Any and all insight is always appreciated.
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