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Old January 27th, 2007, 06:14 PM
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I'm just curious but why are all puppies sick at a young age?and adult dogs wether we recuse them, get them from a breeder, or god forbid in a store, (mind you you are rescueing them when you do that). is it because of their immune systems not fully developed?? or is it just the strees of being in a new home? Even cats from what i hear and read it's the same thing, diarrhea, kennal cough, not eating ect. ect. It confuses me to no end I would just like to go to a breeder or rescue center and find an animal that doesn't have these problem, but of course i am living in a dream world.
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Old January 27th, 2007, 06:18 PM
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I would just like to go to a breeder or rescue center and find an animal that doesn't have these problem, but of course i am living in a dream world.
If you adopt from a rescue you won't get a sick animal. But there's not a lot of puppies in rescues.
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Old January 27th, 2007, 06:21 PM
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not many puppies i agree, but some of the older dogs have behaveral problem or been abused, not all but some, and can take months even years to correct.
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Old January 27th, 2007, 06:27 PM
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not many puppies i agree, but some of the older dogs have behaveral problem or been abused, not all but some, and can take months even years to correct.
Where did you get that ? I foster for a rescue and none of these dogs have behavioral problems nor have been abuse. These are dogs that people can't/won't keep anymore and some of them are rescued from shelters when up for euthanasia. The owners that "dumped" these dogs are the ones with behavioral problems !!! I did foster 2 puppy mills females last year and I get lots of updates about one of them, after 6 months she is 100% normal family dog.
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Old January 27th, 2007, 06:28 PM
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Adult dogs are a safer option imo,many pups grow up with behavioral and health issues,adult dogs are more a what you see is what you get option ime

I was not clear on what your question was?
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Old January 27th, 2007, 06:57 PM
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I would just like to go to a breeder or rescue center and find an animal that doesn't have these problem, but of course i am living in a dream world.
Are you looking to adopt ? If so, there is lots of great rescues here in Quebec (pm me if you want names) and I can garantee you ; rescue dogs are the best !
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Old January 27th, 2007, 07:47 PM
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how can a pup grow up to have behavioral problems......if you are a good and resposible owner and seek training and apply dicipline then you will have a good pup.
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Old January 27th, 2007, 07:51 PM
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also...how can you be sure about health problems......they are rescues and most are given up or abandoned......do you think the original irresponsible owner gave vet reciepts
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Old January 27th, 2007, 08:12 PM
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how can a pup grow up to have behavioral problems......if you are a good and resposible owner and seek training and apply dicipline then you will have a good pup.
I am not saying puppies have behavioral problems i am saying some adult dogs do the one's that have been "dumped" because of their behavior and they end up in a recue centre.
call me ignorent ( i only recued 1 dog) he had some problems that took me quit a while to correct and even that did not correct it total but some people i know that has recued dogs (from where did not ask) has had problems with the older dogs. as for puppies depends on where you get them i.e stores,
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Old January 27th, 2007, 08:41 PM
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The vast majority of rescue dogs with behavioural issues can be turned around once they're away from their clueless owners. Its the people who have taken an empty slate (brand new pup) and molded the pup into socially unacceptable adults. With the proper early training methods most dogs would be close to perfection. So many people have dogs in their households but are completely ignorant of the necessary management and interactions required to bring out the best behaviour in their pets. This is why our shelters are over-flowing with unwanted pets. I think that some people are just born with an instinct that enables one to interact successfully with any animal (especially long-term rescuers and those who work in the animal care field) its not something that can be learned. Anyone can own a dog but few can bring out the best that it can be.
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Old January 27th, 2007, 08:43 PM
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well i think the ones you didn't ask where the got them.....well puppy mill comes to mind.puppies from stores are from puppy mills.......and i doubt that an older dog from a rescue had problems.....unless the problems where stated beforehand and the adoptee was aware.
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Old January 27th, 2007, 08:54 PM
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If you get a dog from a good rescue, you'll have an easier time than if you get one from a shelter.

If you get an older dog, you have to understand that sometimes, they haven't had any training at all, and yes, some have been abused, but that doesn't make them any more difficult to raise than a puppy from a breeder, IMO. An older dog usually is more willing to be trained and ready to learn.

A good rescue with good foster homes will be honest with an adopter and will disclose ANYTHING that might cause the adopter to change their mind before taking the dog. Like Frenchy with the black lab she found. When she got a rescue to take her on, she gave them 2 pages of details about her so there would be as few surprises as possible.

I got Boo from a shelter and they had no idea about anything about him. Yes, it was hard, and I was ready for hard (lucky for Boo). But there are "easy" rescues out there too.
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Old January 27th, 2007, 09:02 PM
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I guess when you here and see things about the dogs (like some of the people i know) leaves a bitter tast in my mouth. I am sorry if i afended anyone what you guys do with recue dogs and sheters is GREAT REALLY GREAT. call it a bad day but for some reason ( visiting with my friend) today has just bothered me alot.
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Old January 27th, 2007, 09:11 PM
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You're right though. Rescue dogs can be hard if you don't have any help to point you in the right direction and to the right dog.
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Old January 27th, 2007, 09:25 PM
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Actually that is wrong imo.Genetic issues are at play with many behavioral and health issues,even dogs raised since they were tiny pups can turn out in ways one would not expect.


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Old January 27th, 2007, 09:27 PM
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Most good rescues do a full vet work up on the animals,and also have them in foster care for a minimum period of time.Most issues will become apparent with both of those factors at play.
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also...how can you be sure about health problems......they are rescues and most are given up or abandoned......do you think the original irresponsible owner gave vet reciepts
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Old January 27th, 2007, 09:32 PM
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Old January 27th, 2007, 09:41 PM
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even with a full vet work up.....that does not guarentee a healthy life....
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Old January 27th, 2007, 09:44 PM
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even with a full vet work up.....that does not guarentee a healthy life....
No but even buying from the best breeder in the world doesn't guarantee that either.
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Old January 27th, 2007, 09:45 PM
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wdawson There are no guarantees any animal or person will live a healthy life.I personally think if one was wagering that an adult rescue is a safer bet.I am guessing you are not in rescue.I suggest getting involved,it can be an eye opener.

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even with a full vet work up.....that does not guarentee a healthy life

no but if all does that then it might help for the comon problems then after that we keep our
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nobody and i mean nobody can guarantee the mental temperament of any animal.
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Old January 27th, 2007, 09:48 PM
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wdawson There are no guarantees any animal or person will live a healthy life.I personally think if one was wagering that an adult rescue is a safer bet.I am guessing you are not in rescue.I suggest getting involved,it can be an eye opener.

I wish everyone would open there eyes
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Old January 27th, 2007, 09:50 PM
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The people i know did not open their eyes and it is not a pretty sight, I am just learning about this whole thing good and bad from friends and reading alot about it, even i need to become educated.
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nobody and i mean nobody can guarantee the mental temperament of any animal.
Maybe not, but after being around hundreds and hundreds of dogs every year, you kind of get a good idea of how to tell how adjusted a doggy is.
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Old January 27th, 2007, 09:54 PM
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even though i am not involved in rescue..i assume you both are,it does not mean my eyes are not open to the issues of animal wellfare...to say i'm closed minded(eyes closed) is an insult......show me how you are looking out for the welfare of animals......
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Old January 27th, 2007, 09:58 PM
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Like Frenchy with the black lab she found. When she got a rescue to take her on, she gave them 2 pages of details about her so there would be as few surprises as possible.
Lilly has been added to the rescue's web adoption page , there is not a lot of details but it does clearly states she's an escape artist
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W, I don't know if you remember when we put down my bro's doggy, Roxy, but my brother worked with her for about 3 years before giving up because he just couldn't handle her and thought somebody else could do a better job one on one. So we brought her to the vet to get her spayed (don't ask ) and two hours later, BMDLuver called and said there was no way they were doing anything with her because she was a dangerous dog. We had no idea she was that messed up, but the vet and the rescue (BMD) knew right away.

They're just around so many dogs who come from so many different backgrounds that they just eventually see it.

(oh and I know it's not at me, but I also know LL1 does more rescue than I ever will)
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The people i know did not open their eyes and it is not a pretty sight, I am just learning about this whole thing good and bad from friends and reading alot about it, even i need to become educated.
Did you tell your friend about pets.ca ? Maybe we could help ?
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