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I completely agree. And no, we have no control over what another country does. However, this ruling will carry over to our country, which is what concerns me, and I'm sure many others. It may have been made overseas, but, unfortunately, we will most likely see the ill effects here as well.
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Most foreigners do not have animals in their household as their beliefs have followed them here. I have yet to meet a muslem that has a dog. If they do, then I am sure I can add one more to the X amount of dogs looking for a 2nd chance. Really, the numbers that will be discarded are minimal in comparison to the westerners dumping. |
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How many American/Canadians Muslims would actually return their current pet because of this Fatwa from Iran? This is why it would be so interesting to hear from Muslim members, they would likely have the better 'skinny' on this. We are just speculating i think.
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basically folks,,here and abroad we can't treat other humans humanely,,,i seriously can't see animals being treated better. Drive by shootings, bombs,,kids walking into highschools with guns killing classmates is happening more and more often. We look at our ancestors of old and say what barbarians they were,,really have we changed? Only thing i see a change in is the choice of weapon. To a society where humans are expendable and where we think we're better than,,,i don't see the animals fairing very well.
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I understand your position as a rescue worker, and I'll take what appears to be an attempt to stab at Christianity and myself as just frustration on your part. Never did I put anyones religion or beliefs down, nor say that Christians always observe what's right or in the best interest of the animal. Nor did I try to purposefully get a rise out of/or hurt anyone. I was simply responding to Marco about there not being anything that I was aware of in the Christian faith that states you should not own a dog. EVERYONE dumps animals, regardless of religion, heritage, race etc. And it's equally as disgusting regardless of who is doing it. There was no need for you to say what you did.
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I have to say i totally disagree with you. Do the names Hitler,Hussein or Bush come to mind. One individual, yet they managed to convince thousands to do what they wished. Millions lost their lives because of one individual. Hopefully history wont once again repeat itself at the cost of animals lives this time.
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lol,,well the way i see's it,,,different method but same results..innocent people are being killed( these poor people are getting it from both sides).
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I completely agree.
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Aslanpoor Bush
I would just say,don't kid yourself in to believing these clerics in Iran have no power,they are THE power,who rule what is acceptable or not in peoples lives.
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My major frustration is based on animals being abandoned in general. Call it despiration I guess. One thing is for sure however, regardless if it is one animal or 1000 animals that are abandoned - you are right - others will perish. Please do not feel any frustration pointed at you or anyone else for that matter. It was merely to make a statement based on observation. |
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Or If you grew up with parents who felt/believed animals are to be used/exploited, and are in no way a "pet", then you would probably be that way and raise your children that way.
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if you're talking North Americans as us,,,wonder if you did an actual study on nationality background how many would be white anglo saxon north americans as opposed to any other ethnic background. No that is not meant as a racist comment ,just curioius.
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I don't care if I come off racist but ... I do believe french people here are less ... educated , on many things , including pet care and responsible pet ownership. I was once the contact person for one rescue , french people would dump , english people would rescue. Not at the time , but the majority.
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guys, do you know what fatwa means?
its a religious opinion or suggestion. meaning, it doesnt affect irani's in canada, usa, kuwait or w.e because now a days, law is what predominantly runs a country. so no, unless people are forced to by their parents or whatever, they arent really affected by this law (not religious fatwa or w,e else) that has been passed down by iran. remember, its a law, not a religious restriction. so if a guy in iran gets fined for taking his dog to the park , its not "in the name of islam" its "in the name of the law" get it? fatwa doesnt mean war, law, etc... etc... it means a religious opinion. for those of you who think muslims who abide by islam politically, religiously etc...etc... as somethig sad, well, lets look back waaaaaaaay back when Muhammed (PBUH) was alive. lets go back 1000 years ago. the time islam ruled the world way back in the day, there was no blood shed, there was peace, and love. when the christians ruled, there was much bloodshed. when the jews ruled there was also much bloodshed. so that what does that mean? it means when islam was really in play and affected everyone, no one of christianity, and judaism where killed because they were different. did you know its against islam to bother someone of another belief? did you know your supposed to leave them be? and not force islam on them? did you know, in islam, taxes are forbidden? hows that for a way of life and politics? did you know in islam, you're supposed to give 2.5% of your yearly income to a charity? did you know in islam, when you're going to slaughter an animal, its supposed to take less than 1 second when you cut their throat? and that you were supposed to slaughter an animal alone and not infront of others? did you know in islam, the rich and poor are all equal and stand side by side. money doesnt dictate where you stand in islam, it has nothing to do with where you pray inside the mosque. those are just at the top of my head from what i remember while reading this thread. honestly, because there was not a single muslim replying with you guys at the time of this thread being active, its almost a lost cause. but im gonna post anyways. mikischo and marko, you guys are awsome, why? becausse you spoke from a neutral point of view, i really respect that. look, i understand you guys are a close knit family on here and all, but you guys where rough around the edges while posting on her. yes you're entitled to your own opinions, but some stuff was just plain rude. i mean, its the indirect stuff that were said. if it took a moderator to tell you to ease up, thats gotta account for something. no one directly said anything rude, but its the indirect stuff, the reading between the lines. didnt i say on an earlier post, not to judge islam by iran, india, pakistan, afghanistan, and all these other random countries? someone said the koran teaches good and bad. thats not true, it teaches good, and good only. if you want to really judge the koran, look at the way Muhammed (PBUH) lived. he is the perfect muslim, all muslims try to live the way he did. he lived the way a muslim should live. THATS a muslim, not osama bin ladin, saddam hussain, or whoever else some of you might think represent islam. thats how i can say, islam and the koran teach good, not bad. the man who spread it (in every muslims eyes and allah's eyes) is the person closest to being perfect on this imperfect world. the extremists, are retards who are using islam as a scapegoat for what they are doing. they get these terroristic ideas from their head, not the quran. i think that cleric in iran, trying to force his opinion by making it a law is ridiculous. he has no right to butt into everyones life. honestly so much was said on here. someone said human saliva is more unclean than dogs. well, can you explain that to me? from what i understand dogs saliva can carry viruses and lots of bacteria, so i dont understand that, please explain to me how you know this? was there a test that was done or anything of that sort? what makes it hard for me to believe this, is that dog saliva burns on your open flesh from what i've been told by a friend who's been bitten by a dog. please, i encourage questions by open minded people (because if you're narrow minded your just gonna ask and not care about the answer) to ask me questions, i'd be happy to enlighten people about my religion.
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You have lived in Canada for 13 years, you know how we love our pets as our children so our passion for them should not come as a surprise to you. Just my
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well thats what makes me so mad about islam and religion in general That for all the good it does, the extremists and fanatics take it a twist it all up I liv in a city and in this area are a lot of muslims from many different couthries and you know what? They are just chasing the dream and trying to do the right thing and make a few bucks just like the latinos the south americans the mid europeans and everyone else around here.
yeah right steve anyone remeber the crusades? Diring the inquisitoin, the muslim coutries and teeriotories were the only place that gave sanctuary and also kept the books and other things civilisation needs. |
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SSS to enlighten you you aren't the only muslim member on here,,just most haven't posted in this thread. Speaking for myself, i am extremely enlightened and have read many bibles from many different religions. If i choose to enlighten myself on the muslims i will discuss it with our member Onster who would answer with information and not feel she is being picked on.
As for someone, told someone who told your friend and so on,,OMG how ridiculous. That's right up there with cats will suffocate your baby..Yes there is scientic studies proving that a dogs mouth is cleaner than a humans..here is just one of thousands you yourself could have googled. Methods/Materials I swabbed saliva from twenty-five dogs and twenty-five humans with variables reduced as much as possible. To see how much bacteria was in my participants' oral cavities, I put some of each participant's saliva on a specially prepared blood agar plate, diluted small amounts of the original saliva 1-3 times (depending where it was placed on the agar plate), and then put the dishes in an incubator for 72 hours at 98.6ºF. Every 24 hours, I checked the bacteria colony growth (while wearing gloves), counted the amount of bacteria colonies on each section of the agar plate, and recorded my data. To compare results, I created a control group by putting an agar plate with no saliva on it in the incubator (no bacteria grew). Results Canines had consistently lower averages of bacteria growth compared to humans, and very few reached the highest category of growth (growth in all three segments) whereas most humans reached the highest category. Humans all had growth on day three, but 28% of dogs had no growth at all on day three. Unlike most humans who had a total of at least 250 bacteria colonies on their agar plate, most dogs had 100 and below. Conclusions/Discussion To my surprise, the mouth of man's best friend was cleaner than his master's. |
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SSS,I know a little bit about Muhammed and Islam,how it was a religion of peace and love,1000 yrs ago.
You also have to understand something about how we feel,what we see,what we read,the absolute hatred terrorists feel towards anyone western,even their own kind,including women and children,who do not agree with their believes, how a Muslim should be. Yes,the terrorists are fanatics in the name of Allah and young Canadian men and women are dying trying to protect the people who want nothing but a peaceful life,unfortunately they are failing as did England and Russia(with somewhat different objective) before them. As for not believing everything I read or hear in the news,it would be difficult to dispute,indiscriminate suicide-bombings,cowardly road-side bombs,killing thousands of innocents, etc,etc..my last Now,back to the dogs in Iran
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Aslan,thank you,for the interesting finds
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i've been disrepected in person by the way people spoke about my religion. what did i do? nothing, as i should have. so i can kinda pick up on the things people mean here and there. i've got an apt for it. i usually bursh it off though. and, people in middle eastern countries dont love their animals as pets? i understand what you mean, but i think you should have written that without the "You have lived in Canada for 13 years, you know how" thats a subjective thing to be honest. i know some people in canada who hate animals, some who love them, and some dont give a rats tail about it. for god sakes some cop in america or canada had shot an already caught dog. theres good and bad people everywhere, be it people with power or not. the fact that more than one person now has said this is a pet not a religious site, means you shouldnt comment about religion to reduce any chance of confrontation. well, is it fair theres been 60 or so posts just about whether or not its fair for people in my religion to have to go through this, and then when i come and post "its over and done with" ? im sorry, i didnt bring up my religion, remember? but like i said, ill come up when it does. and i think i've proven the fact that i need to post. seeing as how theres been so many people who dont even understand my religion posting and discussing things which for all they know werent even real. i have nothing against you chico, but i cant not use you as a example with the fatwa = war. fatwa = religious opninion. did anyone know that? nope. im not saying you cant discuss things, im just sayin, its my job to clarify things. so when someone starts a thread, that HAS to do with islam, and HAS people commenting about islam, i CANT leave my religion to just float around unprotected. i do appreciate marko and mikischo for defending it becaue they were a a neutral party. i like this site, i like (most) of the people here. i dont have a problem, not looking for one. just trying to keep islam in the clear. that so bad?
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