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Poultry-free foods!
ok, upon speculation of WK being changed and made worse, if I have to re-research foods that Boo can tolerate... No chicken for Boo, no turkey and no duck. Jemma can't have wheat and corn, but those are easy to eliminate.
Here's what I have so far: DVP Sweet potato and fish Quote:
Pros: No chicken! And fish to keep the coat shiny. Cons: Citric acid (bloat), sweet potatoey, "natural flavor", menhaden (need to know what they preserve it with). Venison & Brown Rice Quote:
Pros: No chicken! Cons: Citric acid (bloat), "natural flavor", very, very ricey... Wellness Fish and Sweet potato Quote:
Pros: No chicken, lotsa fish, no ethoxyquin in the menhaden, at least the natural flavor is specifically fish, although not a specific fish... Cons: Lotsa Barley, Menadione (till Jan 07), tomato pomace, Jemma hates Wellness foods (she likes the cookies of course) Wellness Lamb and Rice Quote:
Pros: No chicken, some fish, no ethoxyquin in the menhaden, at least the natural flavor is specifically lamb, WHOLE tomatoes!!! Cons: Lotsa rice, Menadione (till Jan 07), Jemma hates Wellness foods still Quote:
Pros: No chicken, natural flavor is specifically venison, lots of flax (might be a con, depending on if it's too much and makes Boo itchy) Cons: Lotsa rice, Menadione (till Jan 07), no fish, Jemma hates Wellness foods still, protein is a bit low (21%) Nature's Variety Lamb and oatmeal Quote:
Pros: Natural flavor is specifically Lamb, not too grainy, no chicken fat (all other formulas have chicken fat/freeze dried chicken bits) Cons: have to check what menhaden is preserved with, not sure if Boo can tolerate eggs..., citric acid (bloat), fake bacteria presence (gimmick) Sigh... I'm gonna post this so I don't lose it and continue on... |
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So you're ticked off with Solid Golid for the tomato pomace and Natural flavouring and all of the above have more than that, that you don't like.
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Ok, take two...
Innova Evo Red Meat Quote:
Pros: No chicken! And a little herring oil to maybe keep the coat a little shiny , LOTS of meat, no grains (good for Jemma), WHOLE tomatoes!!! Cons: Still wary of the 42% , not sure about eggs still, unnamed natural flavor (but they say it's usually the main meat in the food , a little low fiber for Boo... California Natural Herring & Sweet Potato Adult Quote:
Pros: No chicken! And lots of fish! Few grains (good for Jemma), hey- no flax! Cons: Unnamed natural flavor, protein a little low (21%). California Natural Lamb Meal & Rice Quote:
Pros: No chicken! Only rice (good for Jemma), hey- still no flax (half pro half con), No unnamed natural flavor Cons: a little lacking in Omega 3, protein a little low (21%). |
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Hmm.. Performatrin Ultra Lamb & Brown Rice has "egg product" and brewer's yeast.. No thanks. http://www.performatrinultra.com/dog/ddi_lamb.htm
Slim Care Salmon & Olive Oil has really low fat and egg product and potato product ( ) and brewer's yeast... No thanks. http://www.performatrinultra.com/dog/ddi_salmon.htm Eagle Pack's Holistic Select formulas have beet pulp and Dried Egg Product. tsk tsk Lamb meal & Rice one has chicken fat. http://www.eaglepack.com/Pages/HS_Lamb.html http://www.eaglepack.com/Pages/HS_Fish.html Fromm Salmon à la Vég Quote:
Pros:Lotsa salmon all split up, some grains (average, including the potato as a wannabe grain), some good stuff in there in tiny quantities Cons:What was the verdict on menadione? Did we ever get a reply? Fake bacterial content (gimmick), a little grainy , Tomato pomace, egg again... Fromm Whitefish And Potato Quote:
Cons:Fake bacterial content (gimmick), quite grainy, potatoes are #1, Tomato pomace, egg again... Pet curean's Foundations All life stages Lamb and vegetable 30-35% meat inclusion (they don't let you copy the ingredients ) Pros:no chicken, menadione removed... Cons:doesn't look grainy, but the protein is still low , egg again... http://www.petcurean.com/product_table.html Petcurean Summit "Lamb Meals & Rice" Quote:
Cons: rice is #1, the protein is low, egg again, mystery natural flavors, yeast- Jemma does NOT need more yeast anything... |
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Wow...you're sure going to alot of trouble. Why don't you just check out meb999's sticky as most of these are there.
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Last one for now... *wipes sweat off brow*
Timberwolf Organics Ocean Blue Quote:
Pros:no chicken, lots of fish, none of the usual grains, variety of ingredients my doggies have never had before, good protein (26%), ok fat source. Cons: Not available here, fake bacterial content (gimmick), missing 4 ingredients before the first fat (if that study on bloat is accurate and covers all foods, not just corn foods) TO Black Forest™ Canid Formula Quote:
Pros:no chicken, variety of ingredients my doggies have never had before, good fat source. Cons: Not available here, a lot of grains my dogs have had before (grains=#1 probably), lower protein, fake bacterial content (gimmick), kinda low fat (12%) TO Dakota™ Bison Canid Formula Quote:
Pros:no chicken, like wolf King but tweaked (better), good protein (better than WK), good fat content, great fat source, (I like the order of the grains- more digestible to less digestible). Cons: Not available here, fake bacterial content (gimmick) Nutrient Dense Lamb, Barley and Apples Formula http://www.timberwolforganics.com/product_p/lba.16.htm Has chicken fat TO Wild & Natural Dry™ Canid Formula http://www.timberwolforganics.com/product_p/wn.33.htm All chickeny TO Wilderness Elk Dry Quote:
Pros:no chicken, like wolf King but elk instead of bison, good protein (better than WK), good fat content and great fat source, GREAT grains Cons: Not available here, fake bacterial content (gimmick) |
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Wolf King is really the last readily available food that I can give both Jemma and Boo, so it's going to be hard to find another one to switch to. I have to be prepared. |
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So, so far it's TO Elk, TO Bison, TO Ocean Blue, California Natural Herring & Sweet Potato Adult and Innova Evo Red Meat, in that order (IMO). I think that's the reverse of the availability.
Oh, I was so hoping not to have to do this whole schpiel again. It's much more fun doing it for other people's dogs. (btw, this is what I do for other people here on the board (usually in ONE shortish post ), but as you can kinda tell, picking a food for a poultry intolerant doggy is longer and more tedious than just a regular grain allergy... But I love him, so he deserves the best. And no tomato pomace. I just figured I'd share my hard work...) Last edited by Prin; September 15th, 2006 at 12:33 AM. |
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Why don't you email Mark and ask who the distributor for TO is in Montreal and then get hold of the distributor and find out who buys from him.
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The distributer is Lucid, the same as for Solid Gold. I asked them in the spring when they were bringing TO here and they said they might one day when they felt there was a demand for it.
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So, it's Lucid that won't bring it in? If so, that's absurd. If they deliver Solid Gold to the pet store you deal with and the pet store orders TO for you Lucid should oblige.
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yeah, but Lucid is divided in two parts (ontario-->east and west --> Manitoba) and our side ONLY has solid gold. But for sure now that the heat is on, somebody has to get something for Boo, or you'll see a thread from me asking Techno how to feed raw.
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It shouldn't matter how many parts Lucid is divided into. When I was looking into getting Canidae here I found out from Canidae who the distributor was.
There is only one pet store here (the one where I can't tolerate the owners) that deals with them and the only food they stock is Eagle Pack. I phoned the distributor and he said he had no problem with throwing a couple of bags of Canidae onto the truck with the Eagle Pack order. I came close to doing it and even went in to their store to see the jerk but he was out for lunch and the girl didn't know anything about dog food orders. I then decided not to deal with him anyway so I switched to Innova instead. So, if you get hold of the Lucid part that delivers to your store and ask them if they would do the same maybe then you can get Timberwolf. |
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See this is Lucid in the west: http://www.optimaldog.com/
See how many foods they have? And this is Lucid in the east: http://www.jollypet.com/ The difference is obscene... But for sure, I'll be in contact with everybody this week and next to try to figure out a back up plan if WK really does go cheap on me. |
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Wow...that's unbelievable. Jolly Pet must have shares in Solid Gold. Okay, then I would email Mark at Timberwolf and tell him and see what he has to say. What have you got to lose?
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Done! lol... as you were posting. I really don't want to have to buy 16 bags or 7.5 bags or whatever huge number it is. (especially since I don't know if my dogs will be ok on it or not)
In the meantime, I found two smaller distributers (not sure what they distribute exactly) in the east, so I'll call them tomorrow and see what they do... |
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Prin and I were discussing last night, either 'someone' becoming a distributor sort of. But then there's extra added cost when they have to ship like 13 or so bags out..
I found the multiple shipping program which isn't so bad, but that's still a lot of pounds of dog food if you find your dogs don't like it or don't do well on it etc.. Which brings it back to the niceness of being able to go to the store and just get your bag because it is there.. Pet Valu could order me in solid gold when I wanted it. But then they needed notice.. Was easier to drive a little further to global foods and it was on the shelf along with other great stuff so we could play around a little.. But I am ticked since Cider looks great, and we've been on WK 6 or so months now no issues. But I don't want to support their food when the formula changes. And am pissed to find barking at the moon is already changed.. I won't be getting another bag of it.
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Sorry - I'm the one that started all this chaos!
I would be very interested in trying the Timberwolf Organics as well! I am in Winnipeg so I'll see if anyone could bring it in here! It is especially hard to find a chicken free food - I think the elk, bison and fish TO look good. I noticed that you can order it on the website but it looks like you can't choose Canada. Yet it does say State/Province and Zip/Postal code - does anyone know if they will be shipping to Canadian customers? |
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i love these posts learning alot about foods, distributors, and people! i really hope somebody can somehow figure out how to bring T.O. out east, I'm sure there is a big market for it. Just wish the stupid grocery stores and walmart sold it Always gotta be on our toes, as consumers. yeah. hey if TO comes to town, i'll for sure buy a bag for the beanies (any kind, since they don't have allergies). they would love the snacks, I'm sure. in the meantime, gotta finish up all the kibbles in the house... it's a sloooow process since they eat very little of it these days. picky, picky.
prin what about dehydrated food??
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Techno, I just don't think I can afford the dehydrated stuff right now. (I'm still unemployed )
Part of my email to TO asks if we can't get it through a proper distributer, how do they suggest Canadians get it without breaking the bank? I also slipped the WK story in there saying that with the formula cheapened, it's likely demand for other poultry-less foods will rise and they're among the very few who have completely poultry-less foods. |
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the petfood companies sure aren't making it easy for the average-income families to feed high-quality foods to their pets soooo expensive for premade raw, dehydrated, canned, etc. and GETTING the good dry stuff in some places is unaffordable when you factor in shipping costs, taxes...
we need the same "right to products" as those out west do! :king: prin who knows, maybe you've started a stampede!
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I just want to say thankyou to Prin (and everyone else helping) for taking the time to post your search process here. I really appreciate it because you're so clear about your thinking process and it will help a lot of people, I think. I also am enjoying learning about all of these other foods. I am so glad that my dogs have no allergies! (I never trusted SG... grr) I hope you have success, I'll keep my eyes open around here.
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I agree. Prin is so thorough in her research that you can't help but learn and if there's something you don't understand, she always takes the time to explain it to you. It's too bad she has to go through this though. Both Boo and Jemma were doing so well on Solid Gold with their multiple allergies and now Solid Gold had to go and cheapen their dog food. Good luck, Prin. |
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Thanks - I did check - no stores carry it but the distributor will put it on the truck - only thing is I have to drive across the city to pick it up there - but I could handle that.
The only thing I question is the 3% fiber. More protein is great and their site talks about small, firm stool. Does anyone know if decreasing grain based fiber has a bad effect on the emptying of the anal glands - my dog has always had anal gland problems and although the solid gold is grainy - it really has helped her in that way - I think it bulks up the stool more being that it is insoluble type. I would like more protein though at the same time. Also wondering what fake bacteria is??? Is that bacteria trying to be something it's not??? Must be bad bacteria doing that, not the good kind! |
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Are they also changing their Just a Wee Bit formula? If not, it's basically the same ingredients as the WK....
I say Prin should become the TO distributor for Quebec. Are still looking for a job? Who's more knowledgeable about kibble? I'd buy TO from you.... Just a Wee Bit Adult (bison) Bison | Salmon Meal | Millet | Brown Rice | Cracked Pearled Barley | Rice Bran | Canola Oil | Flaxseed Oil | Garlic | Amaranth | Blueberries | Yucca Schidigera Extract | Dried Chicory Root | Taurine | Carotene | Choline Chloride | Vitamin E Supplement | Iron Proteinate | Zinc Proteinate | Copper Proteinate | Manganese Proteinate | Potassium Iodide | Thiamine Mononitrate | Ascorbic Acid | Vitamin A Supplement | Biotin | Calcium Panthothenate | Selenomethionine | Pyridoxine Hydrochloride | Vitamin B12 Supplement | Riboflavin | Vitamin D Supplement | Folic Acid | WolfKing Adult Dog (bison) Bison | Salmon Meal | Brown Rice | Millet | Cracked Pearled Barley | Oatmeal | Rice Bran | Canola Oil | Flaxseed Oil | Garlic | Amaranth | Blueberries | Yucca Schidigera Extract | Carotene | Choline Chloride | Vitamin E Supplement | Iron Proteinate | Zinc Proteinate | Copper Proteinate | Manganese Proteinate | Potassium Iodide | Thiamine Mononitrate | Ascorbic Acid | Vitamin A Supplement | Biotin | Calcium Panthothenate | Selenomethionine | Pyridoxine Hydrochloride | Vitamin B12 Supplement | Riboflavin | Vitamin D Supplement | Folic Acid |
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