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Old January 8th, 2009, 12:39 PM
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MH is feeding fish, yeah. I'm on a mission to find a good source of fish this weekend, myself. It would be fed raw, and ideally whole (or a chunk of whole for a smaller dog).

Try to find a small butcher where you live. We've got one, and he knows exactly where all the produce is coming from, and none of it is mass-produced, it's much better quality. So we get really good meat (it's the only place we'll buy meat for the humans in the house, too) without paying the same prices as organic.
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I go to my local butcher in the tiny village of Lansdowne, he is great for providing for people's pets at minimal costs (plus nothing goes to waste), so like Bendyfoot said, check with your local butcher.
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Thursday

Chickens were on sale so eveyone got chicken with a tablespon of green tripe
Now how easy is that?
$1.66 per dog tonight



By the way, when I find these kinds of deals I stock up.
Yesterday I purchased 100.00 worth. In the Winter I store my meat outside, so no need for freezer
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You are what you eat

Wellness
No more demodex, no more allergies, no more skin issues ( which brought these dogs to rescue in the first place) these issues were treated with food only, no drug thereapy.

Teeth.......... amazing. All pre-existing tartar gone.





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Chickens were on sale so eveyone got chicken with a tablespon of green tripe
Now how easy is that?
$1.66 per dog tonight



By the way, when I find these kinds of deals I stock up.
Yesterday I purchased 100.00 worth. In the Winter I store my meat outside, so no need for freezer
I love good deals

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Wellness
No more demodex, no more allergies, no more skin issues ( which brought these dogs to rescue in the first place) these issues were treated with food only, no drug thereapy.

Teeth.......... amazing. All pre-existing tartar gone.





AMAZING . Great job with those dogs
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MH, have you seen any benefits with raw with regards to environmental allergies? Our GSD started getting the itchies this summer...
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Environmental allergies.
- that's a difficult one to answer because there is no way for us to really know if a dog is not allergic to something until the demonstrate that actual allergy. So - if my dog has no allergies, then really I have no way of knowing.

What I can say is that quality nutrition does heavily contribute to the overall wellness of the immune system.

The immune system in our dogs has become compromised through a variety of factors, food only being one of them.
The more likely candidate would be over-vaccination combined with genetic factors, more so than food.

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Thanks for chiming in.

Our girl has "genetic factors" up the wazoo, she's a trainwreck But a very cute trainwreck!!! Goodness only knows what's really going on.

Now you've raised another interesting issue...how often do you choose to vaccinate, or do you do titres, or???
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Tonight was two huge pork roasts that totalled 10.00 for the package, so everyone had a good meal for peanuts.
I supplemented with some chick hearts, a tablespoon of green tripe and one little old sardine.

Each dog got a huge chunk each.

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how often do you choose to vaccinate, or do you do titres
Well for the rescues, we have to vaccinate at least for rabies. (really depends on age and circumstances of dog)

For my own dogs, the sharpei I do Titers for my chow, well, he hasn't been vaccinated in 10 years and I'm not going to either.

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I showed DH your before and after pics of your rescues and the meals you provide. He can't believe the difference and wants your address so he can show up at dinner time it looks so good . He wants his a little cooked though.
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Here is Sunday's catch.
Tomorrow the dogs will fast.
They will get some recreational bones, but that's it.
I hope this exercise was useful.
I tried to use foods that are easily found in grocery stores in an attempt to show people that it really isn't very complicated to feed a raw regime.




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Thank you MH, this has indeed been very helpful for me. I sat down at looked at my feeding plans again this weekend, and although I think my first attempt was pretty good, seeing some good examples helped me firm up some things and I've got a new "system" for prep that I'm really happy with.

Now, if you have any suggestions how to get a fussy dog to eat fish, I'm all ears.

ETA: I wanted to add that, in only 3 or so weeks of full-time raw feeding, we've already noticed two things: the puppy's eyes are no longer constantly streaming goop and Jaida no longer has the dubious nickname "Farty McCheese"...she's neither gassy nor smelly around her head/ears, as she has been for a few months.
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Now, if you have any suggestions how to get a fussy dog to eat fish, I'm all ears
Sure, sprinkle on Parmesan cheese, rub on green tripe, or some butter.

Also, remember that a hungry dog won't starve itself either. Once your dog gets to understand the smell, taste and texture of fish they will eat it.
Your dog probably just doesn't understand what fish is, and it does smell completely different from meat

Great news about the smell you were 'smelling'... just goes to show you that your dog was headed for candidae! Saved!!!!

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Good gravy. I've never heard of candida before. I just looked up info on candida overgrowth, and the symptoms associated with it.

Holy crap I think Jaida's had this going on! She's been on soooooo many antibiotics, and some were extremely hard-core (like, as in, injectibles meant for cows and horses when she was 3 months old...for 6 weeks). I found this list, and have bolded ones that apply to her:

GENERAL HEALTH

--fatigue

--poor appetite

--overweight

--nervous

--anxiousness, anxiety

--allergies

--environmental sensitivities to pollens, weeds, and grass

--frequent infections


--dull, rough hair coat

SKIN

--rashes and itching

--hives

--draining sore

--itchy feet

--chewing feet or tail area

--body odor

--face rubbing


--acne

--eczema

--oily, greasy skin

--dry, flaky skin

--excessive shedding

--discolored (blackened) skin

--thickened, rough skin

RESPIRATORY SYSTEM

--wheezing

--coughing

--asthma

--nasal discharge

--reverse sneezing (snorting)

--itching nose

DIGESTIVE SYSTEM

--bad breath

--smelly bowel movements

--indigestion

--frequent episodes of vomiting and/ or diarrhea


--constipation

--anal gland/anal sac irritation

EARS

--increased discharge

--ear infections

--ear itching or pain

EYES

--itching eyes

--red, irritated eyes

--cloudy eyes

--excessive tearing, oozing

--dull appearance to eyes

MUSCULOSKELETAL SYSTEM

--joint pain

--arthritis

--backaches


--stiff neck

URINARY/GENITAL SYSTEM

--bladder infection

--bladder/kidney stones

--increased urination

--irregular heat cycles

--vaginal discharge/infections

Jeez if this helps with the infections and allergies, not to mention her joints, I'll be THRILLED! I've noticed her doing a lot of extra chewing in the past two weeks, and I read that sometimes symptoms can become worse as the body gets the candida out of its system. Have you seen this before, MH? Is there anything else I can do to support her immune system right now?
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If Julia has been on antibiotics, then yes, she surely can have a yeast population problem, that's why it's so important for us and our pets to use enzymes when we take antibiotics.

Julia might be so severe that she requires an internal fungicide. Sometimes humans do as well. You'd have to check that one out with your vet.

You can start by lowering her pH and giveing her small amounts daily of apple cider vinegar, make sure it's DISTILLED, because if not, it contains spores itself and will not help the problem. (all undistilled vinegars do)

Start feeding green tripe (Mother Nature's enzymes) several times weekly, and offer some acidophilus tablets daily to help restore the colon.

Good luck with that. Yeast is insidious and once it takes a strong hold in the body it is really, really hard to get rid of and naturally NOTHING absolutely NOTHING with grain or carbs in it, and that includes cookies, biscuits, treats, or otherwise (bread crusts/ pizza crusts etc).

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fruits/veggies are out then, too? She likes apples and carrots :sad:

we've started tripe this week, and I'll look for the distilled cider.

She's probably been on about 8-10 courses of ABs in the past 20 months, sometimes two types at a time.
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fruits/veggies are out then, too? She likes apples and carrots

Vegetables and fruits contain sugar. Some fruits like apples contain very high amounts of sugar.

Sugar + carbs = yeast.
Vegetables also can contain high amounts of salt.

Sugar will rot teeth, and also stop the absorption of many drugs as well, so does vitamin C by the way.

Generally speaking if we always follow Mother Nature's plan we are on the right path. Apples and stringbeans are foods t hat dogs wouldn't necessarily eat on their own volition unless starving. They would chose meat over vegetables any time.


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Alright, we'll cut out the veg too. I think my partner will have a heart attack when I do that (I'm the raw queen in the house right now)...I've been feeding occasional "veggie slop"...mainly ground beef with a bit of leafy greens like kale, bell peppers and apples pulped up...because she's not quite convinced that dogs are 100% carnivores...seeing some "green" food makes her feel better Maybe if I point out that the tripe is green she'll survive...
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The study didn`t mention that a dog`s digestive system isn`t as affected as a human`s would be because it`s shorter and the acidity level is higher.

I am really enjoying reading this whole thread and it's very informative to hear everyones opinions and experiences. I was just reading this part and I'm not quite convinced it's correct.

First the pH scale goes from 0-14 with 7 being neutral (water) and zero being highly acidic (even though it's a *low* number, it's the *high* end of acidity).

Humans' stomach pH is average at 2 and dogs averages at 4 which actually menas that humans have "higher acidity"

...Am I mistaken? (It's happened before! )

And if I'm not-then are dogs less suceptable to those bacterium because of another reason? The acidity surely cannot be the reason...
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First the pH scale goes from 0-14 with 7 being neutral (water) and zero being highly acidic (even though it's a *low* number, it's the *high* end of acidity).

Humans' stomach pH is average at 2 and dogs averages at 4 which actually menas that humans have "higher acidity"
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I think who ever wrote that reversed the figures. A dog's has a lower pH but the caveat is that their stomachs are 50% hydrochloric acid. A human's is not.

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I read this thread from start to finish for the first time today and am sorely tempted to go this route, it just makes so much sense

Besides handling organs which totally grosses me out, I am still trying to wrap my head around chicken bones, I know how badly those things can splinter.......Somebody please say something to convince me that this shouldn't be a concern
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Organs, yuck: cut a big batch into small peices and freeze them on cookie sheets, then package them in freezer bags. Feed them frozen (like livercicles!!) You only have to handle them goopy once.
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OK so I get around a chunk of liver wrapping itself around my throat what about the splintering of the chickie bones, can they not do damage on their way wending through the body to the other end.....I know that they get digested so I'm being led to believe .....and wiggly kidneys do you use them too
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Look up there? See that dog? It's eating a chicken leg! Crunch crunch crunch!!! Ok here's what you do:

Step one: go find a dog
Step two: open the dog's mouth (make sure it's a nice dog)
Step three: lookit dose big teefies in dere!
Step four: repeat after me: Hey, those are carnivorous teefies! Carnivorous teefies are meant for crunch crunching meat and bones!
Step five: feed the dog a nice chicken leg for being such a good doggie, hold your breath, relax, and be amazed by watching a carnivore eat as a carnivore should!
Step six: (you may have to wait a bit for this one). Take dog out for a poop. Marvel at how the poop is full of teeny, pulvirized, harmless bits of bonemeal...wow! The digestive system of a carnivore is perfect for breaking up those bits of crunched bones, yay!

Repeat steps five through six often (although six is really not all that mandatory, but you know you'll do it anyways )
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oh yeah, and wiggly kidneys and giant grossifying beef hearts and little teeny bites of chicky hearts and giblets, yum!
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Look up there? See that dog? It's eating a chicken leg! Crunch crunch crunch!!! Ok here's what you do:

Step one: go find a dog
Step two: open the dog's mouth (make sure it's a nice dog)
Step three: lookit dose big teefies in dere!
Step four: repeat after me: Hey, those are carnivorous teefies! Carnivorous teefies are meant for crunch crunching meat and bones!
Step five: feed the dog a nice chicken leg for being such a good doggie, hold your breath, relax, and be amazed by watching a carnivore eat as a carnivore should!
Step six: (you may have to wait a bit for this one). Take dog out for a poop. Marvel at how the poop is full of teeny, pulvirized, harmless bits of bonemeal...wow! The digestive system of a carnivore is perfect for breaking up those bits of crunched bones, yay!

Repeat steps five through six often (although six is really not all that mandatory, but you know you'll do it anyways )
Yer making fun of me

Beef Hearts, croak - K...I'm gonna try it....Serious question...shall I start, please say yes...by giving the raw in the morning and their regular in the evening?
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no. go cold turkey. seriously...

gotta run, but hopefully someone else will be able to help with what I predict will be a deluge of good questions!!!
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Cold Turkey Well I have the weekend to chew on this and look for some friendly farmers and butchers, thanks for your help Bendy....
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