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View Poll Results: Who do you prefer, Brad or Cesar? | |||
Brad | 17 | 14.17% | |
Cesar | 71 | 59.17% | |
Neither | 29 | 24.17% | |
Both are equal | 3 | 2.50% | |
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I agree, there is NO one way. Just like with people, some people need a soft touch other's need a bit of push to get them motivated. Then there's others where you pretty much have to run them into a wall to get through to them! Not that I know anyone like that. Seen a few horses like that though!!
I think alot of this boils down to not wanting to take the time to do it right. So much of what we do and see today is instant gratification. Push a button and tadah!! What do you mean sit down and actually read a book, take notes. Commit to 6 or 8 weeks of classes and then actually do the training at home OMG!! Then take the training to the next level. Ok I want more than just a pet from my dog. I have cats, I don't expect them to do much but even they're well behaved and come when they're called. Sometimes training is frustrating...oh boy!! I tend to go ok that's not working, gotta go find something that does work. Whether it's changing a treat, collar, my signals or just saying ok we'll do something you know well and give that one a rest for a week or two and then try again. |
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There is a huge difference in their education backgrounds, so it's unfair and completley untrue to say that they both have ignorance of wolf theory. I have also never, EVER seen Ceaser inflict pain on an animal...and I'm not talking about the dog being 'quiet' while Ceaser innterupts unwanted behavior. There is a difference between 'touching' the dog to redirect the dogs focus, and hurting it. Using the example that a dog won't exhibit pain while in a dog fight doesn't hold any water with me because for one thing: a dog in a fight is usually extremley vocal as it is. I would love to see a video (actually I wouldn't) of an example where two dogs are fighting silently. I have seen him use innteruption, and there is a huge difference. Anyone who says that innterupting a behavior is the same as inflicting pain, has no knowledge on the way redirective behavior training is carried out - or is doing it wrong. Period. You seem to remind me of a certain banned user...funny how that works, hmm?
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A wolf park imo is not indicative of how wolves live in their natural habitat (Murie 1944, Mech 1999, Grandin & Johnson 2009). As is Milan's "pack," wolves in captivity become a forced pack, forced by humans who put them there. In the wild, wolves don't live in packs, they live in families, usually consisting of dad, mom, and pups. This is one one of the biggest misconceptions people have of the behavior/lives of wolves.
Having said that, how Pattison's training methods, or Milan's for that matter, relate in any way with the natural behaviors of wolves, or even dogs in this case, is totally beyond me.
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