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I am slowly going crazy.......
...1,2,3,4,5,6, switch. I hope someone else know this song, otherwise I really will look nuts
Streets is having his bi-annual bout of sever colitis. Last year was so bad I swear the BF wanted to kill me for being such a basket case and no one wanted to talk to me because I was such a total ball of anxiety. We seemed to resolve the problem with changes in diet and homeopathic treatment, but it's back and I don't know what to do. My regular vet has no answers, she basically thinks I know more about it than her at this point. The homeopath I was using retired, the homeopathic vet in the city I tried in oct. and it was all a bit of a disaster. So I'm stuck with a dog who is passing a good 1/2 cup or more mucous a day, is clearly loosing energy and miserable, but all tests say he's perfectly healthy. I just have absolutely no idea what to do. I don't really expect anyone here will either, I've tried all the typical suggestions, both allopathic and holistic, with little results. I guess I just need to |
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So you've tried slippery elm already?
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Oh yeah, we go through pounds of the stuff
We've tried slippery elm, marshmallow, digestive enzymes, various homeopathic stuff, probiotics, antibiotics, homemade cooked food, prescription kibble, regular kibbles, raw food (which is the only thing that actually makes a difference of any kind really), traditional tibetan medicine, the list goes on and on.... |
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No advice here, but big .
Tommy's doing the same thing - not the mucous, but his vomiting. We thought we'd resolved it too, mostly, and then BOOM. Pukies and pukies and pukies. There HAS to be some kind of connection with the time of year, but I can't figure out how! Everything we thought was working probably wasn't, it was just the time of year to be healthy and now it's the time of year to vomit all over my carpets (I love you, Bissell quick steamer!). And yeah, I DO know that song and now I'm going to be singing it all night too. I don't know if it helps you any, but please know YOU have been helping me... nobody can explain it, but the fact that you're having issues seasonally at least proves to the voices in my head that I'm not totally crazy for thinking there HAS to be something else to it that the vets don't see. So, thank you. And big hugs to the furry boys. |
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There really is a connection to the time of the year, I have a friend who's dog seems to be on exactly the same schedule as Streets in terms of the gulping bile and mucous poops. The only system of medicine I've ever found that acknowledges this is traditional chinese medicine, but good luck finding a TCM vet outside of california
I keep reading and reading and reading trying to figure something out, but I think it's only adding to my insanity. |
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There really is a connection to the time of the year
Oh it's so good to know that I am not alone! Lisa has been throwing up with more runs than I care to even count. The vet saye she has gastro interictis(SP) so she's on meds for the third day now. She started to eat yesterday and seemed like she had recovered. Today she refused to eat until this pm. If she is still unwell tomorrow, I will insist on having blood work done to see if something else is going on. I am so tired but mainly worried.
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Same here !!! I was just telling LuckyPenny today that Bailey was ok (no accident in the house) for the past week. Then I got back home ..... mucous poop you say ? omg !
pitgrrl , someone from our rescue had a dog with colitis not long ago. I will ask what she did to resolve the problem. It probably won't help you if you have tried everything , but it doesn't hurt to ask. |
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I'm happy to get any advice anyone wants to give. I feel like I've become some sort of colon expert, and it's not what I wanted to be when I grew up
My vet keeps telling me to become a homeopath, which is funny, because my mother's been saying that for years now. |
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Check out charcoal, I used to take it in Europe for a bad stomach and it never failed. I'm interested in how they diagnose colitis. Do they culture the mucous or what? In Quebec it's gastro this and gastro that but it's never very clear.
http://aspenbloompetcare.com/2006/05...d-charcoal.htm Last edited by badger; March 14th, 2008 at 09:17 PM. |
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Just a wild guess here, do you think it might have something to do with the yucky spring water? Maybe try giving your pets bottle water?? pbp
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That is a good suggestion, Patti. You don't even have to use bottled water.....just boil and refrigerate your tap water. It's worth a try.
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The water thing is worth a try, and I did last year
The dogs actually got so used to bottled water, now the refuse to drink tap water at all. Quote:
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*raises hand* have you tried allergy meds?? if its seasonal.....
personally, my poo always gets a little loose around the tree pollinating times. my car turns green 2 days after i get loose poops. too bad its not the other way around *sigh* -ashley
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I've very seriously considered the allergy option, but we're still frozen and covered in snow here at the time that this happens. If it was something that happened in April, then it would makes sense, but it's always over by the time things start to thaw
I found a classical homeopath/vet willing to work over the phone, so I have some hope. I might need to start selling off my.....um, I don't have anything to sell off, a bake sale perhaps? |
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Does Streets eat any snow?
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Nope. Basil eats a ton of snow, but Streets is the good dog who doesn't eat anything he's not supposed to.
I pretty much think it's immune related and has something to do with all the vaccines and medications he was given in the first couple of years of life. This is the dog after all who's had vaccine reactions, focal seizures from HW preventatives, etc. I think he suffers from sensitive dog-itis |
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Okay, I'm officially taking bets, if any of you are the gambling type.
Here's the thing, Streets does have a fairly well documented March bout of colitis, but now I'm thinking that there's a chance I just so expecting that to happen that perhaps I've missed a thing or two. Anyone remember this thread? http://www.pets.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=50051 Well today Basil started with the full on mucous poop. He'd been having less than perfect stools lately, but this was rivaling Streets. So the BF and I start tracing back when this all started looking for anything we might have missed. Turns out this all started a day after I started feeding the new batch of food. It totally could be a coincidence, after all Streets really does have a long history of these types of problems, especially this time of year. He and Basil are littermates, so it's not entirely impossible that Basil might have developed the same problems with age, his stomach has gotten more sensitive in the past year generally. All that said though, wouldn't it be horrible (and sort of wonderful) if it was the food? I didn't feed it this evening and won't for a least a few days to see if that makes a difference, so come on folks, place your bets! |
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OK , I say it's the food , if I win , you owe me $10.00 , is this the way it works ?
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Okay...we need more info. What are you feeding them and how long have you been feeding it and what were you feeding before?
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50% of what they eat is pre-made raw, the other 50% is meat/organs etc. that is regular stuff from the grocery store or butcher.
It's the pre-made stuff I'm wondering about because although I've been feeding the same stuff for months, this all started right after I started in on the latest batch I bought (if I'm getting the dates of everything right, which I may not be. I should have learned by now to write things down). And yes Frenchy, I'll owe you $10.00 if it's the food...I swear I'm good for it |
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Poor doggies.
It is a genetic defect (or so says my GI), so yes there is a possibility that both can get it, that allows your immune system to attack the colon without there actually being any pathogen to attack (I personally believe there is something there, but scientists haven't found it yet ), in other words your immune system is working overtime when it doesn't need to. Many humans with colitis do get flares at the same time every year and it is not understood why. Spring/fall seem to be the most frequent occurances. Hope Streets gets over his bout (known as flare in the colitis world) quickly. and that Basil doesn't follow Street's and gets this horrible disease.
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Things just get weirder and weirder I tell ya.
I stopped giving them the food I suspected of causing a problem. Streets had totally normal stool for a couple of days, then this morning totally runny and yucky. Basil, on the other hand, had one normal poop and then went back to mucousy disaster, so I just have no idea anymore. I've spent more on vets in the past week than I really have only to be more confused than I was before, it's really just insane. |
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I don't understand anything anymore!
Fasted the dogs for 24 hours, now I'm feeding an extremely simple, bland diet and still we've got yuck poop What is dog's name could be the issue? Could it be that there was something weird about the food (waaaaay more bone than usual, weird bacteria, some other nasty) that they're just taking time to get over? Seasonal weirdness that's just now starting to effect Basil as well as Streets? Something else that I'm just not picking up on? I really, really don't understand. My vet keeps just saying "well, it's just diarrhea", which doesn't seem like a reasonable answer to me. The vet tech keeps yelling at me about antibiotics and gastro food, and I just want to hurl myself out the window, but I'm only one floor up, so I'd probably just end up with a broken arm or something which wouldn't help anything. Okay, just venting, now the vent's over, thank you. |
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If it is true, chronic colitis, their food does not cause their colons to be inflammed, it is their immune systems. Have they even been on prednisone? If so, has it helped? However, some foods will irriitate the colon more so than other food when there is a flare going on. I am thinking the bones may be the culprit. Many humans with colitis avoid berries with seeds because they irritate their colons.
I don't think I like what your vet said about it being just diarrhea. I think you have reason to be concerned and your vet should be too. Sending you a .
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They've also both been eating bones for over a year and rather than causing issues, the raw food has actually helped more than anything else, so unless the pre-made stuff had a million times more bone than normal (which is possible I suppose) I don't get it. I've never put him on steroids because a) I just really, really want to avoid doing that until absolutely necessary and b) we've managed it fairly well through diet over all. I dunno, I keep seeing yucky dog poop all over the place, maybe it's just the season or maybe there's something funny going around |
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well keep in mind any remedy you may try takes a while to affect the colon
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Don't blame you for avoiding the steroids. It is not good for anybody. I know somebody who has colitis and was on pred for much too long. He is getting his feet amputated due to the side effects of it.
It is very possible that both your dogs will get it, it is suppose to be genetic. Many humans get flares at the same time of year each year too. That makes a lot of us with colitis wonder if it is allergy related that causes our immune systems to go biserk and start the flares.
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I've spoken with a couple of people who have chronic colitis and they totally see a seasonal connection, like you're saying. I just wonder what, with all the ice and snow right now, could be the trigger. I almost want to move somewhere with a wildly different climate to see if it would make a difference. I'm probably just stressed out and therefore being paranoid, but I swear lately every dog forum I look at has more and more posts about dogs having GI problems. Perhaps it's seasonal or something very weird is going on with meat these days Again though, could be I'm just being paranoid. |
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I don't think you are paranoid at all, I think the same as you. Spring is a huge flare time for humans with colitis. The doctors say it is the immune system that goes biserk fighting a pathogen that isn't there, but I, and alot of others, say the pathogen is there, the scientists haven't found it yet (perhaps an allergin??). I wasn't that long ago that it was discovered stomach ulcers are caused from a bacteria, not stress, doctors didn't believe the scientist that discovered it until he proved it.
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Just a longshot here, but since this last bout of mucousy poop and diarhea, have you had stool samples evaluated for parasites? Perhaps this has nothing to do with colitis or food at all .
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