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Old August 21st, 2006, 10:35 PM
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Tenderness & Pain on Front Paws

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I need some help or suggestions please !

My little boy is a Cushionoid Diabetic. Maltese/Poddle Cross. He is 12 years old.

I have tirelessly asked his Caregivers, what can we do to alliviate the pain and tenderness on his front pads. No one has any ideas what could be used, and not wanting to upset the apple cart, no suggestions have been made.

I have been treating him with Glaxal Base, and then putting baby socks on his feet at night. It tears my HEART open, each time he whimpers.

Please if any one has any suggestions, we would be mighty appreciative.

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Old August 21st, 2006, 10:54 PM
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How's the circulation? Maybe like diabetic humans, the circulation is just really bad to his feet.
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Old August 22nd, 2006, 12:32 AM
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Circulation is great....no problem in that area...it is that sores between his toes, and the redness and tenderness on his paws....
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I met a lab/newf puppy with a broken leg last week, and the owner said that the cast was causing her paw to go raw and bleed, so He put a chinese slipper on her foot and it worked wonders. Maybe that's an idea?
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Old August 22nd, 2006, 06:59 AM
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I met a lab/newf puppy with a broken leg last week, and the owner said that the cast was causing her paw to go raw and bleed, so He put a chinese slipper on her foot and it worked wonders. Maybe that's an idea?
Chinese Slippers?? Where would one find them??
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Old August 22nd, 2006, 12:39 PM
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Could the redness be allergies? Does he chew at his paws? What food is he eating?
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Old August 22nd, 2006, 12:50 PM
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He is on a Medium Fibre, NO fat, No sugar vet food....Medical Gastro, and Purina gastro....

No chewing of the feet....someone just emailed me and said to use Vitamin E . But i am not sure the fat content is that, would it upset the Pancreas?
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Old August 22nd, 2006, 02:29 PM
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When you look at the ingredients of these "vet diets", it is astounding that any dog can survive on so little nutrition... and pay so much for it (Purina Gastro 20 lbs, USD $36).

Ingredients (Dry)
Brewers rice, corn gluten meal, ground yellow corn, beef and bone meal, coconut oil, animal digest, beef tallow preserved with mixed-tocopherols (source of Vitamin E), dicalcium phosphate, glyceryl monostearate, calcium carbonate, L-Lysine monohydrochloride, potassium chloride, sodium bicarbonate, soybean oil, fish oil, salt, choline chloride, vitamin supplements (E, A, B-12, D-3), zinc sulfate, ferrous sulfate, ascorbic acid, riboflavin supplement, manganese sulfate, niacin, calcium pantothenate, biotin, copper sulfate, thiamine mononitrate, folic acid, pyridoxine hydrochloride, garlic oil, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), calcium iodate, sodium selenite

This is appalling. there is not ONE SINGLE GOOD INGREDIENT in this toxic cocktail. Where is the meat, the #1 ingredient that our carnivore friends need for optimal health? Why so many industry by-products? Check it out:

Brewers Rice
A processed rice product (residue from alcohol distillation) that is missing many of the nutrients contained in whole ground rice and brown rice. Contrary to what many pet food companies want to make you believe, this is not a high quality ingredient, just much cheaper than whole grain rice

Corn Gluten Meal
An inexpensive by-product of human food processing which contains some protein but serves mainly to bind food together. It is not a harmful ingredient but should not rank high in the ingredient list of a quality product.

Beef & Bone Meal
A byproduct made from beef parts which are not suitable for human consumption. It can incorporate the entire cow, including the bones, but the quality cuts of meat are always removed. This is an inexpensive, low quality ingredient used to boost the protein percentage.

Beef Tallow
Dogs and cats like the taste of this fat, so it is often used to make low-quality food more palatable. Beef tallow is very low in linoleic acid and much cheaper for the pet food industry to use than a good quality vegetable oil or nutritionally rich chicken fat.

Animal Digest
A cooked-down broth made from unspecified parts of unspecified animals. The animals used can be obtained from any source, so there is no control over quality or contamination. Any kind of animal can be included: "4-D animals" (dead, diseased, disabled, or dying prior to slaughter), goats, pigs, horses, rats, misc. roadkill, animals euthanized at shelters, restaurant and supermarket refuse and so on.

Corn, soy, and wheat are three of the biggest culprits as far as food allergies in dogs go. Itchy, red, flakey skin, and a dull coat are common symptoms of food allergies.

So there you have it... you cannot expect your pet to be healthy and get better by feeding it a sub-standard diet, no matter what your allopathic vet says. How do you think puppy got sick in the first place?...

I would strongly suggest seeing a holistic vet and see the difference in diagnosis and treatment, surely it's worth a consultation. You will be prescibed a diet of REAL food and some homeopathic granules to cleanse and detox the pancreas and liver, and it really works. It will not cost you much and your dog will finally be healthy again, the natural way... Your best bet is a simple, low-fat raw diet that provides rich, digestible protein, vitamins and minerals that your dog desperately needs to heal and protect against future illnesses. you can PM me if you want more info on this, or start a new thread, there are many knowledgeable raw feeders on this forum who can guide you. good luck!
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Old August 22nd, 2006, 02:42 PM
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For once, I agree with Technodoll on this one. I think your best option would be to home feed. That way, you would control the sugar as well as all the allergens that you feed your dog. So many dogs are allergic to corn and that is the main ingredient in that food.

How can a food with only carbs in it have no sugar? To me, no sugar means high protein, not high carb.
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Old August 22nd, 2006, 02:53 PM
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I was going to add that if you really can't feed raw or home cooked, you could try one of the high protein foods out there. Like these two:

Solid Gold Barking at the Moon
Innova Evo

Aside from them, the rest of the foods out there are usually about +70% carbs. Not ideal for a diabetic doggy, IMO. Corn is among the highest on the glycemic index chart too.

Here's a site where people send in recipes for home cooked meals for their diabetic pets:
http://www.caninediabetes.org/dogfood.html

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Technodoll and Prin:

Excellent posts....lots of good information there.
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Old August 22nd, 2006, 03:33 PM
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thanks rainbow! it sure pays to pool our knowledge eh?
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Thanks to each one of YOU...we are setting out to look at the sites.

Each one of you, may just saved my boy's paws, and mended my HEART.
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Old August 22nd, 2006, 10:16 PM
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Old August 23rd, 2006, 06:54 AM
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Old August 23rd, 2006, 11:12 AM
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Buddy's Heart, I'm glad that you are learning from Prin and Technodoll. They are our food gurus here and are really good at explaining the facts about certain foods and ingredients.

I hope you can find something that will help your dog. Keep us posted.
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Old August 23rd, 2006, 11:14 AM
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Yeah, and let us know what you used and if it works.
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Old August 23rd, 2006, 09:53 PM
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Yeah, and let us know what you used and if it works.
Well, i have spoken to 3 different Vets today. One from California, one from Richmond BC, and One from Alberta.

Concenus is: Vitamin E capsules. Break open and dribble on feet. Cover up with bandages, because he is walking on Raw Feet, and then cover up with socks, or booties..to allow the pads to grow skin.

Medication if only needed...Baby Aspirin 81mg with food..when he is whimpering

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My vet has been giving me a diet to use with simple carbs, 2nd opinion doc, says.......NO NO....complex carbs are needed.....
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Hope you don't mind me asking questions when i run into difficulty?
of course not! we're here for you

so glad you found a (temporary) solution for the sore feet, hope it works. but you also have to treat from the inside out, with proper nutrition... sadly, something that most vets know little about.

please take a moment to read the following site... there is more information out there than you can shake a stick at, but at least with this stuff you have tried & proven folks here who do it, and others who don't but know people who do & have heard great things about it.

http://www.drpitcairn.com/nutrition/...ion_index.html
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Old August 23rd, 2006, 10:16 PM
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So what food are you going to switch to with complex carbs?
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Hi Buddy!

I just wanted to include my little guy's diet. He is a Miniature schnauzer, also 12, and also Diabetic (but I'm sure you know that ) When he was originally diagnosed with Diabetes, I tried a few of the vet recommended diabetic dog food, but, as mentioned earlier in the thread, I just couldn't bear to feed him any of them once I did some research on the ingredients. I decided to start cooking all of his meals on my own since I could not get his b/g levels under control with the vet food. I cook all of his meals, about twice per week. He is now a very happy dog! The vet is amazed by how well regulated his b/g levels are Anyhow, generally I cook 1 cup of each Lentils, Brown Rice, and Barley with baked chicken or steak/lean red meat (depending on what he wants that week), and with a bunch of Asparagus or a head of Broccoli and a few carrots (he loves them!). He also gets a Senior Mulit-Vitamin with his meals and then, of course, the horrible insulin shot. He is doing great! For variety, there are many other diets listed on the web, but here is a link with some pretty good diet plans.

http://www.petdiabetes.org/home_cooking.htm

I have found it very comforting that I can control what he eats, and I think I will probably continue to cook for all future fuzzy family members :love:

Funny... My pets are better fed than my husband and he mentions that fact often

Anyhow, hope this is of some use!

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Gee, looks like a rehash of before. Vets are paid to promote the food they get kickbacks for. Just like the last time I said it. So yeah, they are going to push anything they sell as the only way to make your dog better. Most get a piddly amount of nutrition training, an amount so small, many people on this site have surpassed their food knowledge a dozen times over.

You don't go to a doctor for nutrition help. There are also nutritionists for dogs. Same premise.
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Old August 23rd, 2006, 11:46 PM
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We don't know what she's feeding yet...

But, complex carbs.. Sounds like the potato in Evo to me.
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Old August 24th, 2006, 12:00 PM
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Just thought all you wonderful and helpful people would like to view what i received today by email:

am sorry to say this, but why are you keeping this poor dog alive and suffering like he is. He is in pain and sounds very miserable.
I know it's one of the hardest things to do but would you like to be suffering like that. I don't think so.
Have a heart and and let him rest in peace and non suffering at the Rainbow Bridge.


I upset Flabbergasted that someone would suggest such an adverse solution for a treatable disease

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Complex carbs is what the doctor recommended, and yes HOME COOK is the way to go. I have been doing this, but my regualr vet, NEVER told me about the Complex Carbs...just Glycmeic Index..(which is mainly) simple carbs...so now i need to do some studing and reasearching....and it seems some one on the board has already set that in motion for me.!! Thank You....

I was though i was educated about his conditions, but in actually, all the previou information i got from 3 different vets, were all the same...Simple Carbs, and the diabetes is now not controled.

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I am going to be looking at the site you gave for home cook meals, and if possible could you email me by PM, with some of your receipes?

Hey Everyone...........thanks for the input and the very postitive responses!!!
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Wow, that's a pretty horrible email. :sad:

Good luck with the home-cookin'.
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What a terrible person to send such a disgusting email like that.
You must have been devastated. Did you send a reply?

Good luck with the home cooking and let us know how things turn out.
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Buddy,

I am so very sorry for the horrible email that person sent you . We have enough worrying to deal with trying to look after sick pets! Just as a reassurance, and I am sure you are well aware, elderly dogs with diabetes do generally live normal lives once their blood sugar levels are stabalized and if all organs are functioning properly. Don't give that insensitive person another thought!

I will get together all of my recipes and email them to you this evening. :love:

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Thank you so much...It took me awhile to sleep last night, after reading such an email, but finally put it out of my mind. And yes, the person did receive a reply!

I have been cooking for Buddy, but as previously said, looks like all the wrong foods. But now that all of YOU have helped us out, and continue to, just maybe we can get this under controlled !!

FYI: I am chronically ill, and live on a Disability pension..so $$$ do count for me. I have NEVER turned down a treatment for Buddy and never will. Just like in the Human capacity, alternate medicine costs $$$, so even going to a Nurtionist is $$$, that i may not have. I appreciate the information about Alternative Med's, but my $$$ need to be well spent.

Once again, Buddy and I thank each one of YOU, and yes, we will keep asking questions.
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Old August 26th, 2006, 07:08 AM
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Update: Last night after a few days of Vitamin E oil (natural) on Buddy's paws, and cpvering them with a airsole cushion with socks on during the day....He walked on leash for ONE (1) block !! I know that doesn't seem like much, but he hasn't wanted to do that in months. It is a big step, for a little guy with sore feet.

Update: Diet: Steamed Chicken Breast for a Week (no carbs), 2nd week: Lean Red Meat (no carbs), 3rd week: Steamed Turkey (no carbs), 4th week:
Lean Red & White Meat (no carbs)

Cleanizing first, then slowly introducing new slow release insulin foods.
...Today: Urine Sugars at : TRACE - Good.

Keep you posted, as thing happen.
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