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Old January 18th, 2008, 11:22 PM
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She has Nose Bleed like Pupyvr in previous post

Hi all, I have been searching the internet for answers to my dogs problem. When I read this thread from pupyvr, I started to cry. I think my dog has the same problem, but by the sounds of what you are all describing there, I fear the worse for my poor dog.
She is a 12yr old Cross Yorkie/Maltese.
She started sneezing a lot every morning about 6-8months ago,no blood just a lot of sneezing.
About 3-4 months ago I came home to a blood bath, it looked as though my 2 dogs had torn each other apart. Blood on the walls, furniture splatters etc just as you all described. I couldnt figure out where it came from until a month later when I saw her sneeze up blood, splattering it all over. I called the vet and they said it was probably a reaction to a nasal vacine that she had recieved recently.
From then it would happend periodically, the bleeding would start and then stop. this was alarming but according to my vet was nothing to worry about.
This last weekend was the worse. I came home to the biggest blood bath you can imagine, on the walls, bed, couch and all over the dog. I immedidately called my vet and he said just put an icepack and bring her in on monday. Well it happened again that evening and 2 more times before monday. then again on monday morning before I took her to the vet.
The vet did the blood tests and all was normal except for the high calcium count which I knew about from previous tests.
He gave her a vitamin K shot and said it should help the clotting. well it didn't, that evening the same thing,and each time it would a worse spill and take longer to stop.
Today I came in to find my bed looking like someone had given birth on it. There was so much blood. I called the vet and he has scheduled a nasal scope for tomorow, its still bleeding on and off now. I asked him if she could bleed out from the nose, and he said no. From the quantity of blood that comes out I tend to disagree.
I think she will be ok for the evening I hope.
However from reading all your posts, I am feeling very dispondent about her chances? Is it allways cancer?
Has anyone here been thru this condition and actually managed to save thier dog?
I suppose I am hoping that I am that one case that gets to keep his dog?

Its breaking my heart to read how you all had to stand by and watch your beloved pet pass. Each time I get to the part where puppypwr states "That evening we took him to the vet, and held him tight until after he took his last breath.
" I just cant read on, I have to stand up and walk away or I will just cry all night. I'm a grown man and I feel like I am loosing my child!

I just hope and pray that she will not bleed any more tonite and that the scope tomorow morning will be against all odds and tell me that there is just a bug stuck up there.

thanks for listening and if you have any advice I would greatly appreciate it. especially tips on how to stop the bleeding.

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Old January 18th, 2008, 11:27 PM
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I am so sorry for what your puppy is going through, I do not have any answers for you but I do haveand hugs. pbp
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Old January 18th, 2008, 11:42 PM
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No answers to give here either, KiChien, other than to say keep strong for your girl, K? She needs you to stay calm for her. Lots of and for you both.
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Old January 18th, 2008, 11:47 PM
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update on excessive bleeding from nose

Thanks for that,
I actually posted this last nite but on the thread it seems, anyway she made it thru the night sleeping until 5am this morning, when she woke me with the bleeding starting up again, she bled in my arms until it stopped.
I took her to the vet for the rhinoscopy and xrays.
It's just as that thread explained, its a tumour, I just have to wait for the results, but it looks grim.
Right now she's at home with me, dopped up, so at least there is no bleeding, hopefully none at all tonite!
I have painkillers, and sedatives as well as anti inflamatory drugs now. THese are the only things it seems they can give for now.
I know that I will have to make a decision someday soon to send her on, but dont want to think about it for now.
Its so unfair!! She's still a lively dog, you would swear she was a 1yr pup the way she runs around all the time, she eats like a there's no tomrow (not tonite as she's drugged), other than the blood comming from her nose she is normal! I am angry at the universe right now!
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Old January 18th, 2008, 11:54 PM
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Sorry for the news you received. I'm glad you're keeping her comfortable and are able to come here to talk about it. Many have been through it and can offer support if you need it. More s to you both.
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Old January 19th, 2008, 09:33 AM
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Old January 19th, 2008, 11:07 AM
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KiChien, first let me say how sorry I am that you're going through this. It's very difficult and traumatic, but there is a bit of an up side.

The reason your little one is so frisky and happy is because these things don't seem to cause too much pain. Our springer spaniel, Priscilla, also had a vascular tumor in the nose. She also had the nose bleeds. She also was very frisky right to the end.

So as cancers go, at least it is seemingly not a painful one. And that's a blessing.

But I want to caution you, because no one cautioned me--it is definitely possible for a dog to bleed out through the nose. Priscilla did, under her favorite bushes out in the back yard. We were with her and she passed very peacefully. She lay down and it was as if she fell asleep. But the amount of bleeding was very traumatic for us, since the vet had told us a dog could not bleed out through the nose.

I'm sorry. I know it's not what you want to hear for your little sweetie, but it isn't an awful way to go. We had planned on having Priscilla euthanized that evening, but she never made it to the vet. For her, that was probably the best thing--she was so feisty and independent that she was perfectly happy to go on her own terms and no one else's. For your little dear, it may be different--but if she does go on her own, it does seem to be a peaceful thing (although when it first starts, there will be a great deal of sneezing).

You are in our thoughts and prayers here at this difficult time. Please keep us updated. We do care.

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Old January 19th, 2008, 06:02 PM
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Hi KiChien, I really hope that your vet did a biopsy of substantial sample when they scoped your pups nose. My dog Peaches has unilateral nasal discharge, combined with severe bleeding on occassion. She's on prednisone and antibiotics for the bleeds. The initial diagnosis was cancer based on the first biopsy AND the ruling from the radiology team after a CT scan - however a stroke of luck if you could call it that (she ate a rug and needed surgery) allowed the vet to get a better biopsy sample than the first time. I'm sure you and your vet are doing everything possible, but I feel the need to say that most vets don't go beyond the initial diagnosis. Mine wasn't prepared to either, until Peach ate the rug and needed more intense surgery. If your pup is responding to antibiotics, then ask also for steroids. Peach started out on 40mg of prednisone per day, and we're now down to 5mg per day. The steroids will also, god forbid a negative diagnosis, help with swelling within the nose. Feel free to PM me if you have any other questions, I've been going through this now for 8 months, and have amassed a good deal of info. Good luck, stay strong and keep us posted
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Old January 20th, 2008, 02:52 AM
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Update and Thanks to all

Thanks to all of you responding, with your wishes and advice, I am a little clamer today.
After bringing her home from the vet last nite all I could think about was how much time I have with her and if she will ever be ther same again.
They said she would bleed because of the Rhinoscopy but fortunately it was a really nice evening.
She didn't bleed at all, there was a little discharge but nothing like before. I think the pain killers helped a lot. She slept thru the nite on the bed (I didn't as I was watching her every 30 mins for bleeding)
And in the morning after the sedation had worn off she was almost back to her old self. I had to go out and leave her alone for 3hrs, so I gave her the mediation for inflamation, painkillers and sedation so she wouldnt be too active. I was worried that I would find the same scene as before. but to my surprise, this dog was more active when I returned than she has been in the past 3 months. I actually had to give her another sedation pill to make her relax, for fear the excitement would make the bleeding return or she would rip the stitch on her nose out. I really hope its a sign of good things to come.

As for the Biopsy that you mention Jawert, thanks for the warning.
The Doc. took several samples including one going from outside the nostril inwards (thats the stitch she has now). He also did some other tests while she was under too, I really trust him.

So for now I will just have to wait out the 5-7days for the samples to come back, and hope like hell, that my little one is one of the lucky ones, that get told its not a tumour, and something that can be treated. I am not going to get my hopes out. I will prepare for the worst and hope for the best. I think thats all I can do for now. From the Xrays that I was shown, it looks like the tissue (or veins) in the right nostril are being eaten away, and thats what pushes them to say it may be cancer.
However, I asked the question if an infection could do the same thing and he said yes.(something to hold hope on?)

I will keep everyone updated, and really thank you all again for your prayers and advice. I didn't know this group existed until 2-3days ago, but I have a feeling I am joining for life.

Best Regards to all

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Old January 31st, 2008, 12:14 AM
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Update on results of Biopsy and present condition

Hi All,

Well I finally got the results last week, and it was not what I wanted to hear at all. I really hoped she could be that one in a million that was just a blockage.
Its Cancer "adenosqamous carcinoma" exactly the same as puppypwr had! I was really devasted when I was told by my vet, even though I was preparing myself for it, it was still a shock.
The only option for treatment is radiation and to quote "puppypwr"

"he’s got about three months untreated, and with radiation we would have about 8 months. There would be a great chance with where the tumor is located in the nose that the radiation would cause a type of sunburn on the roof of his mouth, and he could then not want to eat from the pain, and end up with a feeding tube during this.
If that wasn’t bad enough we would have to travel over 200 miles each way to get to the radiation."

I got the same story as she did. Its like I read this story by her and ended up living it.
Anyway the "good news" if you can call it that, is that she is not bleeding for now, nor since the rhinoscopy. Only a tiny little bit of blood came out once, when she sneezed, but that was it. and its been almost 2 weeks now.

I am not sure if its the drugs I have her on now or a higher power, but its helping for now. She's on Painkillers 2x per day "tramadol" and "metacam" for the inflamation. both are non steroidal, and the vet says they could be helping.
I am just happy that she is stable for now and pray that she can last more than just a few months. Other than knowing what is looming over her, she is 100% normal, eating, chasing other dogs, barking etc. I actually had to give her a sedative for fear of her getting overly excited and starting the bleeding up again.

Other than that I am just enjoying the time with her for now, and treating every meal as though it was her last. I have taken her off, all artificial treats, and only giving organic and natural treats for fear that other things may inhibit recovery.

And thats about it for now. I will give an update now and them just to let you all know how she's doing, and I would like to thank everyone again for their support.

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Old January 31st, 2008, 09:25 AM
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I'm sorry you got bad news, KiChien. We never have long enough with our furbabies, do we?

But you're doing good. Keep her comfy and happy and try to stay happy yourself. She'll feed off of your emotions and she wants you to be happy. Don't worry about the future--she'll let you know when it's time and until she does, just enjoy making happy memories.

Please do keep us posted on how she's doing. And if you have any pictures of your precious girl, we'd love to see them!
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Old January 31st, 2008, 10:16 AM
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Kichien, I just read all this thread and it brought tears to my eyes. I am sorry you have to go through this, I can feel how hard it must be.

Your dog is lucky in a way because she is surrounded by your love and she doesn't know that she is sick, from the way you describe her (being happy and all). You gave her a great life, that I can be sure, and there are still many other moments of joy you can spend with her before she leaves this world. It's wonderful she has someone like you to count on. You are both in my thoughts.

Please, keep us posted, I would like to know how things are improving for you and your dog.
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